I think the top 3 on the MXGP circuit could quite possibly come

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to the US and dominate the Americans on any given Saturday and do it consistently.
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WhipMeister 11/10/2021 11:12pm
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Outdoors? Quite possibly. But that's because AMA Pros are almost singularly focused on Supercross. The skillsets are very different. Right or wrong. That's just the way it is. JMO.
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MyBobbym wrote:
to the US and dominate the Americans on any given Saturday and do it consistently.
I’d say top 5 outdoors if they came over

If they would get through the 9 months of super cross first is an entirely different matter
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At certain tracks, no doubt Herlings, Febvre, Gajser, could be the podium.
Every weekend? I think Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis would have something to say about that.
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LouisianaMotocross 11/11/2021 6:05am
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MyBobbym wrote:
to the US and dominate the Americans on any given Saturday and do it consistently.
As others said right now? For sure. If focus was split? I think they would be contenders outdoors but wouldn’t do very well indoors. It’s hard to compare when one side of the pond is 100% outdoors and the other is 75/25
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Gross thread title bro...
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MyBobbym wrote:
to the US and dominate the Americans on any given Saturday and do it consistently.
I hate this comment.

But you are probably correct.

Tomac, Webb, Roczen, were all off their ALL-TIME great pace this year Outdoors and Ferrandis took them all to the woodshed. I've seen each of them in better form previously.

If Herlings, Febvre and Gaiser showed up to our last Outdoor national with the pace they have been running in MXGP lately, I think we'd see another Herlings Ironman 2017 type of performance... I've not seen those guys ever ride better than they are now.
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MyBobbym wrote:
to the US and dominate the Americans on any given Saturday and do it consistently.
scott_nz wrote:
I’d say top 5 outdoors if they came over

If they would get through the 9 months of super cross first is an entirely different matter
You mean top 5 if all 3 come over right? Any of those 3 are when healthy going to be title candidates and top 3 if only one of them comes over.
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stremme12 11/11/2021 7:35am
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Saturdays January thru April would be tough for them at first.
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spojetski 11/11/2021 7:38am
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So you think the 3 best 450 riders in the World Championship could "possibly" be top 5 in a national championship ? Please, tell us more.
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Not an excuse but in the US teams and riders don’t care about outdoors as much as SX because SX is the premier series. Because of this our riders will not stray to far away from their SX settings for the outdoors. The riders in the GPs are racing their premier series and are the best in the world because of this.
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I think old fuckers on vital care more than the guys riding the bikes. I imagine as long as top guys checks clear, they don't give a shit.
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Gross thread title bro...
He knows for a fact
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spojetski wrote:
So you think the 3 best 450 riders in the World Championship could "possibly" be top 5 in a national championship ? Please, tell us more.
The AMA series might as well be a world championship. Let's call it the MX version of World Superbike.
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Boomslang 11/11/2021 11:19am
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stremme12 wrote:
Saturdays January thru April would be tough for them at first.
Yup....I doubt they would last an entire SX series. I consider SX as the Pinnacle of dirt bike riding.
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Motofinne 11/11/2021 11:22am
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stremme12 wrote:
Saturdays January thru April would be tough for them at first.
Boomslang wrote:
Yup....I doubt they would last an entire SX series. I consider SX as the Pinnacle of dirt bike riding.
Well neither does 50% of the American based top 20-30 riders when we look at the injury list in the end part of the SX season.
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Boomslang 11/11/2021 11:29am
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Not an excuse but in the US teams and riders don’t care about outdoors as much as SX because SX is the premier series. Because of...
Not an excuse but in the US teams and riders don’t care about outdoors as much as SX because SX is the premier series. Because of this our riders will not stray to far away from their SX settings for the outdoors. The riders in the GPs are racing their premier series and are the best in the world because of this.
Wat? (Not arguing with you)

There is a flipping huge difference between SX suspension and Outdoor suspension.

The Europeans have refined MX setup and don't have the same rules on equipment as the US do hence them becoming the Outdoor specialists in recent years.

If the top 3 Euros came to the US outdoors they would have an equally hard time winning the Championship as anyone in the US does.

My two cents.
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Boomslang 11/11/2021 11:31am
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stremme12 wrote:
Saturdays January thru April would be tough for them at first.
Boomslang wrote:
Yup....I doubt they would last an entire SX series. I consider SX as the Pinnacle of dirt bike riding.
Motofinne wrote:
Well neither does 50% of the American based top 20-30 riders when we look at the injury list in the end part of the SX season.
Exactly.
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gt80rider 11/11/2021 11:36am
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People have said that many times before.... and not one euro has ever come in here and straight off crushed us in a series.....

Different worlds.... and the vast majority of them, still won't race sx.....
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FlaNard 11/11/2021 11:38am
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I’d say Dylan would have something to say but outside of him yeah, they look like a whole different class right now.
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stremme12 wrote:
Saturdays January thru April would be tough for them at first.
Boomslang wrote:
Yup....I doubt they would last an entire SX series. I consider SX as the Pinnacle of dirt bike riding.
The idea that riders of Herlings, Gajser, Prado etc ability, couldn’t be competitive/survive in a SX season given the adequate time to prepare is absolute nonsense. They have immense talent.

Max Anstie hadn’t raced SX in 8 years, came into the series mid season, nowhere near 100% and on the worst bike in the class and made every main without having to go to an LCQ. It’s not rocket science
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Boomslang 11/11/2021 11:45am
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People have said that many times before.... and not one euro has ever come in here and straight off crushed us in a series..... Different worlds...
People have said that many times before.... and not one euro has ever come in here and straight off crushed us in a series.....

Different worlds.... and the vast majority of them, still won't race sx.....
A good example is Greg Albertyn.

World Championships: 125cc – 1992; 250cc – 1993 and 1994.

Then he came to the US to compete in SX and MX. He got hurt so many times in SX that it took him until 1999 to win the AMA 250cc Outdoor Championship.

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Spudnut 11/11/2021 11:48am
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MyBobbym wrote:
to the US and dominate the Americans on any given Saturday and do it consistently.
Well ferrandis isn’t American so I guess you’re right
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JMX82 11/11/2021 12:00pm
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FlaNard wrote:
I’d say Dylan would have something to say but outside of him yeah, they look like a whole different class right now.
What about Roczen, Musquin, Lawrence brothers...
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Suicidal_Tendencies 11/11/2021 12:10pm
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stremme12 wrote:
Saturdays January thru April would be tough for them at first.
Boomslang wrote:
Yup....I doubt they would last an entire SX series. I consider SX as the Pinnacle of dirt bike riding.
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The idea that riders of Herlings, Gajser, Prado etc ability, couldn’t be competitive/survive in a SX season given the adequate time to prepare is absolute nonsense...
The idea that riders of Herlings, Gajser, Prado etc ability, couldn’t be competitive/survive in a SX season given the adequate time to prepare is absolute nonsense. They have immense talent.

Max Anstie hadn’t raced SX in 8 years, came into the series mid season, nowhere near 100% and on the worst bike in the class and made every main without having to go to an LCQ. It’s not rocket science
I think the point is that their successes in MXGP might not translate as well to supercross. The facts are that supercross titles are harder to come by than outdoor titles in the U.S. Making a main is a lot different than running top 5 and being a threat to win a sx.

I've no doubt that given time to prepare, someone like Gajser or Herlings could do well. But I would also extend that charity to the U.S. based riders if they took the time to prepare for MXGP. They would be competitive given enough time to prepare.
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mb60 11/11/2021 12:14pm
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Why is it always they should come to US ? Would to see a guy in shape go to Europe to race.
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Johnny Ringo 11/11/2021 12:52pm
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Wow what a brave and stunning statement Bob. So brave, so edgy.
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Sandusky26 11/11/2021 1:04pm
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Are there any BobbyM groupies still out there? Someone tell him the 70's are over.
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shuggs 11/11/2021 2:36pm
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I don’t think they would win straight away. The US summer conditions (heat & humidity) would have a massive detrimental effect on their results. And this from a Euro!

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