I don't get the whole right turn is dangerous argument

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 1:15pm
Don't pro level riders use the right brake in all the other right-handed turns on the track? And they seem to all be able to reach the brake in this pic:

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tobz 3/21/2011 4:34pm
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I think your onto something, you should be at the next round showing them how to do it!
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disbanded 3/21/2011 4:36pm
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You can't put your right foot down and brake at the same time, so right hand corners are slower and more dangerous.

You can go faster and have more control when turning left because you can brake and put your left foot out at the same time.
panic revver 3/21/2011 4:39pm
3/21/2011 4:39pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2011 4:41pm
Wow. Just wow. And according to your name you are a racer.
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paul937 3/21/2011 4:55pm
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It’s a little different than a typical right hander. For one, it’s flat with nothing to slow them down or bank off of. They are also all trying to out break each other at the last second (just like on any hole shot, right or left). Lastly, although you’re right that none of those guys have their foot out, they will eventually have to put it out to make the corner. Obviously when that happens their foot isn’t on the break any more.

Bottom line, it’s just different and awkward.

BTW, I’m not hammering you, just explaining. Hopefully that helped answer your question.

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smeg 3/21/2011 5:28pm
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LOL.....they are PROFESSIONAL SX/MX riders.........If they can't handle a right hand first turn they need to go back to 60's and start over.........
panic revver 3/21/2011 5:35pm
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LOL.....they are PROFESSIONAL SX/MX riders.........If they can't handle a right hand first turn they need to go back to 60's and start over.........
I don't think anyone is saying they can't handle it. Maybe you can explain why in most of the SX designs the first turn is a left hander as opposed to a right hander.
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powDIRT 3/21/2011 5:41pm
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According to K-Dub's post-race interview, the right turn should be a non-issue. He felt like everyone out there should have no problem making the turn.

(Then again that is coming from one of the most successful riders of the past decade-plus, maybe some of the young kids aren't used to that)
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peelout 3/21/2011 5:47pm
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I think the rhythm just after caused more chaos off the start than the corner itself. Some of you guys are quick to point out how horrible the best riders in the world are compared to yourselves..
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mcphilly 3/21/2011 5:50pm
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they would have hated the tracks of the 80s.......lots of right handers ......with BIG doubles coming right out of them
Moto East Mag 3/21/2011 6:09pm
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mcphilly wrote:
they would have hated the tracks of the 80s.......lots of right handers ......with BIG doubles coming right out of them
Tomahawk has a right hander with deep loam to chew with the front knobby. It's a blast, actually.
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smeg 3/21/2011 6:11pm
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smeg wrote:
LOL.....they are PROFESSIONAL SX/MX riders.........If they can't handle a right hand first turn they need to go back to 60's and start over.........
panic revver wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying they can't handle it. Maybe you can explain why in most of the SX designs the first turn is a...
I don't think anyone is saying they can't handle it. Maybe you can explain why in most of the SX designs the first turn is a left hander as opposed to a right hander.
Because the majority of MX tracks have left hand turns......it's the common convention in track design since the 1950's.....

Left handers are easier to negotiate for the average MX rider and tracks are (generally) designed for the average MX rider.

It's just a "carry-over" from average track design........no other reason...............Unless of course the stadium layout is conducive to left as opposed to right.

Actually spoke to Gary Bailey about this same topic when he used to design Daytona back in the 80's.
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MXLuver 3/21/2011 6:16pm
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Yes, they are professionals. It is still difficult to have a right-hand first turn. They are screaming down the start straight then jumping on the brakes at the last minute. Notice how many people went wide on that turn?
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Sherwood 3/21/2011 6:17pm
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This just in.

People fall down in mx/Sx racing.
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smeg 3/21/2011 6:20pm
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MXLuver wrote:
Yes, they are professionals. It is still difficult to have a right-hand first turn. They are screaming down the start straight then jumping on the brakes...
Yes, they are professionals. It is still difficult to have a right-hand first turn. They are screaming down the start straight then jumping on the brakes at the last minute. Notice how many people went wide on that turn?
No more than in a "normal" SX.

The problem wasn't the start turn..................................................the wrecks happened in the rhythm section NOT the first turn.
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TriRacer27 3/21/2011 7:54pm
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You can't put your right foot down and brake at the same time, so right hand corners are slower and more dangerous. You can go faster...
You can't put your right foot down and brake at the same time, so right hand corners are slower and more dangerous.

You can go faster and have more control when turning left because you can brake and put your left foot out at the same time.
Thanks captain obvious, I didn't know you couldn't turn without putting your foot down Whistling


Paging Mr. Everts, line one. It's some american calling you to teach you how to make right handed turns.


Peelout and Smeg get it. Look back at any race this year with a flat 90 deg corner for the start and even if it's a left hander, usually there's someone being pushed wide.
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mt798 3/21/2011 8:05pm
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peelout wrote:
I think the rhythm just after caused more chaos off the start than the corner itself. Some of you guys are quick to point out how...
I think the rhythm just after caused more chaos off the start than the corner itself. Some of you guys are quick to point out how horrible the best riders in the world are compared to yourselves..
Exactly! Who designed and approved it? Feld?
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It just boils back to trying to cram 20 riders into a corner and section that only fits 4 wide and that's sketchy enough there. Hell in outdoors you have 40 riders cramming into a space that is much larger and there is still carnage. The start is just so important and it's just a recipe for disaster. All that bumping, braking, leaning is just asking for something to happen.

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Hank_Thrill 3/21/2011 8:11pm
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Does anybody know if the location of the first straightaway fell into the circumference of the Bermuda triangle?


If they had more right hand turns after the start I bet they would get better with practice.

Stewart's wreck didn't seem to have much to do with the turn.
RV's heat race wreck had to do with a bike giving up on life mid-way through a rhythm section.

It's probably safe to say at least one of the Bagget / RV accidents might not have happened without the right hand turn. There's no way of knowing for certain though, just taking a wild guess....
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HuskyEd 3/21/2011 8:11pm
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One more in Salt Lake City.

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TriRacer27 wrote:
Don't pro level riders use the right brake in all the other right-handed turns on the track? And they seem to all be able to reach...
Don't pro level riders use the right brake in all the other right-handed turns on the track? And they seem to all be able to reach the brake in this pic:

And people think Danny Dolan is stupid?
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WhipMeister 3/21/2011 8:20pm
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Last time i checked, negotiating turns, right, left, 90, 180, 145, were part of the deal on the road to calling oneself the *best* motorcycle rider in the world...
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jemcee 3/21/2011 8:22pm
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well if it was hard for them to slow down they could've braked, broke, broked got on the picks earlier a lot more people got through that turn without crashing than people that did
(gotta be an easier way to write that) isn't that part of riding?

I kinda wish they would go back to tracks that had no flow and were "annoying"
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CamP 3/21/2011 8:34pm
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TriRacer27 wrote:
Don't pro level riders use the right brake in all the other right-handed turns on the track? And they seem to all be able to reach...
Don't pro level riders use the right brake in all the other right-handed turns on the track? And they seem to all be able to reach the brake in this pic:

The holeshot device has as much to do with it as anything. The device makes getting consistently good starts easier. That creates a situation where all 20 riders arrive at the first corning at essentially the same time. It also causes tighter traffic in subsequent straights and when the second straight has a rhythm section like last Saturday, the likelihood of pile up crashes is increased. The device is a crutch and pros shouldn't be using them, especially in the tight confines of Supercross. Get rid of them and the racers will spread out quicker and the first lap will be safer.
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HuskyEd wrote:
One more in Salt Lake City. [IMG]http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w235/f1ed/SaltLakeCity.jpg[/IMG]
One more in Salt Lake City.

Hmm. I wonder if they can get the lap times down to 40 seconds on that track.
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aminkman 3/21/2011 8:59pm
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If it was easy, anybody could do it.
leakypipe23 3/21/2011 9:31pm
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MXLuver wrote:
Yes, they are professionals. It is still difficult to have a right-hand first turn. They are screaming down the start straight then jumping on the brakes...
Yes, they are professionals. It is still difficult to have a right-hand first turn. They are screaming down the start straight then jumping on the brakes at the last minute. Notice how many people went wide on that turn?
Not Friese! He went EXTRA inside!
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haydos25 3/21/2011 9:35pm
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CamP wrote:
The holeshot device has as much to do with it as anything. The device makes getting consistently good starts easier. That creates a situation where all...
The holeshot device has as much to do with it as anything. The device makes getting consistently good starts easier. That creates a situation where all 20 riders arrive at the first corning at essentially the same time. It also causes tighter traffic in subsequent straights and when the second straight has a rhythm section like last Saturday, the likelihood of pile up crashes is increased. The device is a crutch and pros shouldn't be using them, especially in the tight confines of Supercross. Get rid of them and the racers will spread out quicker and the first lap will be safer.
Really?? It's just another part of technology and time marching on. Every advancement we've ever seen on bikes in history can be classified as a crutch that pros shouldn't be using by that definition.

Now we're complaining about the closeness of racing aswell, we're only one bubba holeshot and check out win from complaining that the racing isnt close enough.

There are accidents in the first corner of nearly every supercross race i've ever seen, its part and parcel. This time it happened to take out the points leader, it happens. They all knew setting off that they had to turn right at the end, it wasn't a surprise to them.
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JustMX 3/21/2011 9:38pm
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TriRacer27 wrote:
Don't pro level riders use the right brake in all the other right-handed turns on the track? And they seem to all be able to reach...
Don't pro level riders use the right brake in all the other right-handed turns on the track? And they seem to all be able to reach the brake in this pic:

CamP wrote:
The holeshot device has as much to do with it as anything. The device makes getting consistently good starts easier. That creates a situation where all...
The holeshot device has as much to do with it as anything. The device makes getting consistently good starts easier. That creates a situation where all 20 riders arrive at the first corning at essentially the same time. It also causes tighter traffic in subsequent straights and when the second straight has a rhythm section like last Saturday, the likelihood of pile up crashes is increased. The device is a crutch and pros shouldn't be using them, especially in the tight confines of Supercross. Get rid of them and the racers will spread out quicker and the first lap will be safer.
That is a pretty weak theory.

If everybody uses them then why would it be any different if nobody used them?

Everybody/nobody uses knobby tires, so they are all getting there t the same time.
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CamP 3/21/2011 9:41pm
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JustMX wrote:
That is a pretty weak theory. If everybody uses them then why would it be any different if nobody used them? Everybody/nobody uses knobby tires, so...
That is a pretty weak theory.

If everybody uses them then why would it be any different if nobody used them?

Everybody/nobody uses knobby tires, so they are all getting there t the same time.
It's not a theory, it's reality. Holeshot devices increase the number of first turn mishaps. Without them, the pack spreads out more quickly and increases first turn and first lap safety.

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