Husagren - New 125cc two stroke

Related:
Create New Tag

11/22/2017 4:10 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2017 4:12 AM

Former mechanic(?) for USGP rider Mike Healy trying to start a new Swedish bike company, Husagren.

Seems the objective to bring fun and affordability back into the sport.

Looks good to me, Id rip one in the US.

http://www.husagren.com

https://www.facebook.com/husagren/

|

11/22/2017 4:42 AM

They look pretty cool kinda like a TM/Honda/Husky

|

11/22/2017 4:49 AM

Nice . But I'd bring it back under the Hodaka marquee smile

|

11/22/2017 4:53 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2017 4:54 AM

Kx125rider wrote:

They look pretty cool kinda like a TM/Honda/Husky

I have a THondasky and it looks different still. ?

|

11/22/2017 5:57 AM

Anyone making a 125 smoker is ok in my book.

|

11/22/2017 5:59 AM

I mentioned them in the thread about the 125 series being proposed in the US next season, didn’t get as much response as I thought it would, perhaps the market isn’t there after all, as you were Japanese manufacturers....

|

11/22/2017 6:14 AM

Best of luck to them!

|

11/22/2017 6:17 AM

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

|

11/22/2017 6:47 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2017 6:52 AM

Many months ago, this was posted on RacerX...

http://racerxonline.com/2017/07/31/where-are-they-now-anders-ljunggren


Fundraising does not appear to be going well...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/364899249/swedish-made-dirtbikes

|

11/22/2017 7:04 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2017 7:06 AM

i follow them on instagram. Clearly someone with a lot of love for 2-strokes is behind this.
The bike is a frame they build themselves, the engine is for now a cr 125 (honda).

One of the instagram post stated that the goal was to offer a competitive 125cc bike for $2000 less than other brands.

I like the idea, but unfortunately to me it looks more like hobby-ist working on a bike, but not a well prepared business. No funds, no money from kickstarter, failed to reach their target to race an EMX round this year, and failed to be present at the AICMA exhbition this week.

|

11/22/2017 7:44 AM

It seems that nobody in Sweden wants to touch this project. He got 3000 Krona in kickstarter pledges which is about $350 US.

In the RacerX interview, Anders says he's the only one behind Husagren. I'm sure he is a very talented mechanic and has some impressive credentials as such, but I would think an effort like this requires some business and engineering expertise as well.

I don't know if the EU's emissions standards affect closed course competition but I would think that this is also a significant hurdle to overcome.

Top it off, all he's got is a frame and some dodgy plastic. Motor is Honda and the rest is off the shelf.

I'd like to see someone buy all the old Husaberg trademarks and designs from KTM and start something up.
(Full disclosure: I own a Husaberg so I'm biased).
But 15 years ago they're heaviest bike was the 243lb electric start 650. Seems like a decent place to start when you consider that a 2018 RMZ450 tips the scales at 247lbs.

Or maybe....if you really want people to invest....pursue an e-bike solution.



|

11/22/2017 7:51 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

|

11/22/2017 8:06 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

A 125 with essentially no updates in 12 years should not be 6500.

|

11/22/2017 8:09 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

yz133rider wrote:

A 125 with essentially no updates in 12 years should not be 6500.

Buy a husky or Ktm, tm then.

|

11/22/2017 8:16 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2017 8:21 AM

|

11/22/2017 8:21 AM

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

You're missing the point or, more likely, refusing to recognize it for the sake of argument. The R&D and tooling has to be paid for at this point. The YZ125 could be sold at a much lower price than it is but it obviously isn't as profitable for them to run on the production line so you can't fault them for what they're doing. The biggest argument as to why they should do it is because it may be a better long term strategic move. I don't think our sport at the amateur level is healthy and an affordable, entry-level motocross bike could help. But, how much would it really help? It isn't like the price of the equipment is the only problem we have.

|

11/22/2017 8:23 AM

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

yz133rider wrote:

A 125 with essentially no updates in 12 years should not be 6500.

mxb2 wrote:

Buy a husky or Ktm, tm then.

I have, but that's still not my point

|

11/22/2017 8:51 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

Wages for the average working person are not much higher than they were in 1995 let alone 2005.

|

11/22/2017 9:01 AM

Yeah our economy is jacked, everything cost double what it did 15-20 years ago but wages haven’t doubled no way least not here in the Midwest

|

11/22/2017 9:10 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

731chopper wrote:

You're missing the point or, more likely, refusing to recognize it for the sake of argument. The R&D and tooling has to be paid for at this point. The YZ125 could be sold at a much lower price than it is but it obviously isn't as profitable for them to run on the production line so you can't fault them for what they're doing. The biggest argument as to why they should do it is because it may be a better long term strategic move. I don't think our sport at the amateur level is healthy and an affordable, entry-level motocross bike could help. But, how much would it really help? It isn't like the price of the equipment is the only problem we have.

I would think Yamaha thinks it not worth it to them, when they still sell the current bikes as is,with that price.

|

11/22/2017 10:05 AM

mx_563 wrote:

It seems that nobody in Sweden wants to touch this project. He got 3000 Krona in kickstarter pledges which is about $350 US.

In the RacerX interview, Anders says he's the only one behind Husagren. I'm sure he is a very talented mechanic and has some impressive credentials as such, but I would think an effort like this requires some business and engineering expertise as well.

I don't know if the EU's emissions standards affect closed course competition but I would think that this is also a significant hurdle to overcome.

Top it off, all he's got is a frame and some dodgy plastic. Motor is Honda and the rest is off the shelf.

I'd like to see someone buy all the old Husaberg trademarks and designs from KTM and start something up.
(Full disclosure: I own a Husaberg so I'm biased).
But 15 years ago they're heaviest bike was the 243lb electric start 650. Seems like a decent place to start when you consider that a 2018 RMZ450 tips the scales at 247lbs.

Or maybe....if you really want people to invest....pursue an e-bike solution.



Agreed about buying Husaberg from KTM but they should NOT be 2 strokes... FOUR STROKE FORCE was their tag line for years.... I still own one too, a really, really early one, what’s yours???

|

11/22/2017 10:46 AM

mx_563 wrote:

It seems that nobody in Sweden wants to touch this project. He got 3000 Krona in kickstarter pledges which is about $350 US.

In the RacerX interview, Anders says he's the only one behind Husagren. I'm sure he is a very talented mechanic and has some impressive credentials as such, but I would think an effort like this requires some business and engineering expertise as well.

I don't know if the EU's emissions standards affect closed course competition but I would think that this is also a significant hurdle to overcome.

Top it off, all he's got is a frame and some dodgy plastic. Motor is Honda and the rest is off the shelf.

I'd like to see someone buy all the old Husaberg trademarks and designs from KTM and start something up.
(Full disclosure: I own a Husaberg so I'm biased).
But 15 years ago they're heaviest bike was the 243lb electric start 650. Seems like a decent place to start when you consider that a 2018 RMZ450 tips the scales at 247lbs.

Or maybe....if you really want people to invest....pursue an e-bike solution.



i think there is an excemption to the emission rules for small firms. Also i dont think it applies for circuit, just for enduro.

As for Husaberg, why would KTM sell it for someone to create a competitor?

|

11/22/2017 10:49 AM

Anyway, biggest issue apart from funding seems to develop your own engine.

Anybody think it would be a serious option to use a ICC/KZ kart engine (125cc 2 stroke shifter engine), and make some smallmodifications to it for mx? Lots of makes used to offer these in the early 00's (pavesi, crs, vortex, seven, etc)

|

11/22/2017 10:58 AM

roninho wrote:

Anyway, biggest issue apart from funding seems to develop your own engine.

Anybody think it would be a serious option to use a ICC/KZ kart engine (125cc 2 stroke shifter engine), and make some smallmodifications to it for mx? Lots of makes used to offer these in the early 00's (pavesi, crs, vortex, seven, etc)

["Anyway, biggest issue apart from funding seems to develop your own engine."]

This statement would surely make the late great founder of AMMEX chuckle. RIP Don Jones.

|

11/22/2017 1:28 PM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

731chopper wrote:

You're missing the point or, more likely, refusing to recognize it for the sake of argument. The R&D and tooling has to be paid for at this point. The YZ125 could be sold at a much lower price than it is but it obviously isn't as profitable for them to run on the production line so you can't fault them for what they're doing. The biggest argument as to why they should do it is because it may be a better long term strategic move. I don't think our sport at the amateur level is healthy and an affordable, entry-level motocross bike could help. But, how much would it really help? It isn't like the price of the equipment is the only problem we have.

Tooling doesnt last forever. Casting molds have a shelf life and they are not cheap at all. Minimum being in the $4-6k range. Now think of the cast pieces Yamaha uses. Easily over $100k in molds being spent yearly for production.

|

11/22/2017 1:52 PM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Wages for the average working person are not much higher than they were in 1995 let alone 2005.

Some people make less now than in the early 80s. And by less, I mean 4-5 times less. Same industry, same job, same employer.

You can hire 4 people for the price of 1 back then. Too many people means more who will work for less.


|

11/22/2017 1:55 PM

mxb2 wrote:

Cost of living is higher now, it's not 2005 anymore. I doubt your paycheck is the same as it was 12 years ago.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Wages for the average working person are not much higher than they were in 1995 let alone 2005.

Rhino wrote:

Some people make less now than in the early 80s. And by less, I mean 4-5 times less. Same industry, same job, same employer.

You can hire 4 people for the price of 1 back then. Too many people means more who will work for less.


Maybe a job change then?

|

11/22/2017 2:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2017 2:32 PM

Photo

Photo
|

11/23/2017 10:04 AM

Well its ”just” a Crf frame with a 125 HPP engine and some home made plastics.

|

11/23/2017 10:12 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Yamaha's 125 should be 5k, hasn't had a drop of r&d money in 12 years

You'd have to make it in Thailand and use a different/lower level of suspension components.

|

I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.