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mxmasta mxmasta
9/18/2018 11:36 PM

Following the discussion in the Team PR, what bikes?-Thread about where the Team PR riders will finish, I was wondering how many real pros are really racing the MXdN.

I mean after the top few countries, all with a full lineup of professional riders, there are a lot of teams with only amateurs racing for their country.
Just as a example, even Team Germany has only two real pros, as Jacobi right now is no "real" pro like the other two team members. Although he will kind of become one next season...

What countries do have a full lineup of professional racers?

USA, France, Belgium, Netherlands, GB, Italy, Australia, Switzerland, Canada, Germany? Who else?

"Me fail English? That’s unpossible." - Ralph Wiggum

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MxKing809 MxKing809
9/18/2018 11:42 PM

Are you high? Henry Jacobi is a very fast MX2 rider, and battles in the top 5-10 regularly. That’s like saying Austin Forkner, or Chase Sexton isn’t a real pro.

Washed up moto and enduro weekend warrior.

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mxmasta mxmasta
9/18/2018 11:58 PM
MxKing809 wrote:

Are you high? Henry Jacobi ...more

Alright, he is racing the MX2 class, and is in my eyes a professional racer - at least since this season as he has even done the overseas races. And that’s why I included Germany in the list with pro racers. But in my opinion, without his dad supporting him, Jacobi would not have been able to make a living from racing. But I guess from next season on with his move to Kawasaki, he will become a real pro - at least he said that in an interview.

For sure there are some grey areas, and I didn’t start this thread to discuss Team Germany.

I was just wondering how many pros and amateurs are racing the event.

And no, I am not high. I live in a country where not every second person is on drugs. ;-)

"Me fail English? That’s unpossible." - Ralph Wiggum

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CalimeroFan CalimeroFan
9/19/2018 12:27 AM

Funny, look at the press release form F&H Kawa:

Henry Jacobi: "It's quite a big step for me to join the F&H team because it's the first time ever in my career that I am a professional rider"

Apparently he doesn't see him self as a pro.....

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-MAVERICK- -MAVERICK-
9/19/2018 12:33 AM

Puerto Rico
Guam
Venezuela

"Sorry Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower."

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Rs444 Rs444
9/19/2018 12:54 AM
mxmasta wrote:

Following the discussion ...more

Everyone Will be pro or at least 99%. Emx is a pro League and most european national leagues as well. Sure there is a difference in speed in lets say the german nats and mxgp but pro leagues as well for sure.

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mxmasta mxmasta
9/19/2018 1:02 AM

99% ?

Teams like Iceland, Phillipines, Ukraine, Argentina, Venezuela, Chili or Guatemala are pretty sure more or less amateur riders.

Ok, on sunday, in the A-Finals will be maybe 99% pro riders, but on saturday and in the B-Final there are a lot of amateurs racing.

"Me fail English? That’s unpossible." - Ralph Wiggum

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smee113 smee113
9/19/2018 1:39 AM

I think the OP's definition of pro is a rider whose able to make a living racing, not just a rider who races in a pro series.

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scott_nz scott_nz
9/19/2018 2:09 AM

team NZ MX2 rider pulls 40 hours a week as a builder, he has one afternoon off a week to go ride,

Cody Cooper was full time this year in the USA, between driving and doing other things, Rhys Carter is probably what you would call semi professional, having to do other stuff to supplement is income,

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mxmasta mxmasta
9/19/2018 2:11 AM
smee113 wrote:

I think the OP's ...more

That's right, well said.

"Me fail English? That’s unpossible." - Ralph Wiggum

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Thisusernameisavailable Thisusernameisavailable
9/19/2018 3:36 AM
smee113 wrote:

I think the OP's ...more

Exactly!

Does racing at pro level make you a professional?? No!

A fact which is seemingly overlooked.

The above may be fact or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting. I am not sure, you have no chance.

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crusty_xx crusty_xx
9/19/2018 4:04 AM
mxmasta wrote:

Following the discussion ...more

Rs444 wrote:

Everyone Will be pro or at ...more

If I sign up for a GP or EMX race just for fun, does that make me a professional racer?

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Renner153 Renner153
9/19/2018 4:37 AM

You said a dude that podiumed in MX2 isn’t a pro? laughing wassat he also raced the USGP last year (he borrowed my sister in laws stock bike to race it). But I would say he’s a pro.

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Rs444 Rs444
9/19/2018 5:19 AM
smee113 wrote:

I think the OP's ...more

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Exactly!

Does racing at ...more

Yes it actually does because in most parts of the world u need a pro/elite license to race the nationals and the nationals themself are mostly considered pro championships. If ur full time pro or part time pro doesnt equal how good of a racer you are either all the time. Try to look at it this way. If im bubba stewart and race at the same time as im managing seven gear company am i then less of a pro rider than i would have been if i just raced and didnt manage my company at the same time?.

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mxmasta mxmasta
9/19/2018 5:30 AM
Renner153 wrote:

You said a dude that ...more

That dude himself doesn't see himself as a pro so far. In his eyes his first season as a real pro comes next year.
So that's where I based my statement of. Maybe that was a mistake.

And as I said in a post above, I see him as pro too, and that is why I included Team Germany in my list of full professional teams.

Also, as statet earlier, a pro rider in my eyes is someone who can make a living alone from riding his dirtbike. Not someone who competes in a professional series and has to do a second (part time) job to bring some bread to the table.

"Me fail English? That’s unpossible." - Ralph Wiggum

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Rs444 Rs444
9/19/2018 5:44 AM
Renner153 wrote:

You said a dude that ...more

mxmasta wrote:

That dude himself doesn't ...more

The thing is tho that most professional nationals in the smaller countries in europe doesnt pay nearly enough to live out of. Take sweden or norway as än example. Dudes like horgmo, Bengtson x2, östlund, kullas etc runs these nationals but because these countries are 2 of the most expensive countries in the world to live in and because of the fact that neither the Swedish nor the Norwegian m.c federations put in alot of money in to motocross compared to speedway, enduro, roadracing etc its more or less impossible for most riders to make a living by just racing them but they are still professional championships and you still need to have pro licenses to ride them. The world is filled with riders capable of tc222, jh84,et3 or tg243 speed and sucess but most ppl especially in europe Will never get to chance to prove them selves.

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Bosco Bosco
9/19/2018 5:44 AM
smee113 wrote:

I think the OP's ...more

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Exactly!

Does racing at ...more

Rs444 wrote:

Yes it actually does ...more

The dictionary definition from google:

2. engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as an amateur.
"a professional boxer"
synonyms: paid, salaried, non-amateur, full-time

So I guess if James made more money from Seven than he did from his Suzuki/personal sponsor contracts, he wasn't a pro rider, he was a rich businessman with an expensive hobby laughing

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ando ando
9/19/2018 11:00 AM

Are any of the Australian team riders full-time pros?

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loftyair loftyair
9/19/2018 12:07 PM

Not very many dudes actually make money racing mx. Alot of them have money to burn. Just approx guess, 25 in the USA? 25 more the rest of world? Maybe 50 worldwide make money from being a moto pilot? Just a guess. I know if you're in a poor country, making $100 bucks a week is enough, but really.

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philG philG
9/19/2018 12:23 PM
smee113 wrote:

I think the OP's ...more

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Exactly!

Does racing at ...more

Almost as overlooked as people who only race Amateur but dont have a job

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BroFoSho BroFoSho
9/19/2018 12:41 PM

It doesn't really matter because Herlings is going to make everyone look like an amateur anyways...

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lumpy790 lumpy790
9/19/2018 12:46 PM

Anyone here at Vital a professional translator from German to American language????

He gets a factory ride and calls it pro ..... sheesh

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aeffertz aeffertz
9/19/2018 1:03 PM

Ahh, great... A thread about semantics. This is going about as well as I could have expected it to.

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mxrose3 mxrose3
9/19/2018 1:11 PM
BroFoSho wrote:

It doesn't really matter ...more

You meant to say:
'Tomac and Herlings will make everyone look like amateurs anyways'
At any rate, I can't wait to see these two on the same track.

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Blade Flanagan jr. Blade Flanagan jr.
9/19/2018 1:13 PM
loftyair wrote:

Not very many dudes ...more

This. Most "pro mx racers" have family $ or jobs on the side - construction, riding coach, test rider etc. Very few racers world wide actually make a living just from racing alone. I feel that having and AMA or FIM license and competing at the professional level makes you a pro.

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devindavisphoto devindavisphoto
9/19/2018 1:21 PM
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Exactly!

Does racing at ...more

The only fact I see in this statement is that you're a moron.

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MrKnowNothing MrKnowNothing
9/19/2018 3:35 PM

Does your chick think your a real man?

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GeorgiePorgie GeorgiePorgie
9/19/2018 3:50 PM

I don’t give a shit what or where they race. If they’re on the gate....they’re a pro. So what we got fake pros ? What? Not following this.

40th place.....still a pro bruh.

GP740
Since 1987

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MxKing809 MxKing809
9/19/2018 4:46 PM
smee113 wrote:

I think the OP's ...more

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Exactly!

Does racing at ...more

I’ll have to let my brother know that the Pro card he busted his ass for is actually a “This is only a Pro card if you make your living from racing and not Mechanical Engineering - Card”

Washed up moto and enduro weekend warrior.

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Hallzilla Hallzilla
9/19/2018 4:55 PM
mxmasta wrote:

Following the discussion ...more

FAIL !

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