How does Jett's 2021 national season compare to the last 15 years?

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How do you guys stack up this 250 outdoor season against others recently?

I think overall, the season was impressive. Probably more dominant than Plessinger in 18, And Canard in '10. I bet next season Jett is on par with Jmart for 250 outdoor dominance
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To me, Jett 2021 outdoors is a lot like Jeremy Martin in 2014. Bear with me.

In 2014 J-Mart was winning in the void left by Tomac and Roczen leaving for 450s, with former champ Baggett still there but a wounded version of himself. Webb was in the class too, but not able to really challenge due to inconsistency.

In 2021 Jett is winning in the void left by Ferrandis (and AC the year before), with former champ J-Mart still there but a wounded version of himself. Justin Cooper would kind of fit the Webb role in 2014, but a slightly more consistent version.

** In making the above comparison, I am in no way comparing Jett to J-Mart. Just that Jett's 2021 outdoor series is similar to Jeremy 2014**
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Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala.

Consistent, yes. Jett has not dominated at all, sure he rode well at Pala twice. Good on the kid for (Potentially) winning the title, but this was far from a dominant series. Nothing like 2002, nothing like many of seasons in the past. At times it seemed like him and Cooper couldn't decide who wanted to win the championship.
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mx 219 wrote:
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala. Consistent, yes. Jett...
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala.

Consistent, yes. Jett has not dominated at all, sure he rode well at Pala twice. Good on the kid for (Potentially) winning the title, but this was far from a dominant series. Nothing like 2002, nothing like many of seasons in the past. At times it seemed like him and Cooper couldn't decide who wanted to win the championship.

Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010.


Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far..

Canard had 8 wins and 4 seconds over 12 rounds in 2010.
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Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala. Consistent, yes. Jett...
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala.

Consistent, yes. Jett has not dominated at all, sure he rode well at Pala twice. Good on the kid for (Potentially) winning the title, but this was far from a dominant series. Nothing like 2002, nothing like many of seasons in the past. At times it seemed like him and Cooper couldn't decide who wanted to win the championship.
Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010. Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far.. Canard had 8 wins...

Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010.


Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far..

Canard had 8 wins and 4 seconds over 12 rounds in 2010.
Alright Daddy. I can see why Savatgy's dad thought you were Mr. Lawrence.

Canard looks like he won 5 overalls (4 in a row). Jett might win 5 if he wins Hangtown. Canard didn't even win a moto until the 12th moto that year.
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mx 219 wrote:
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala. Consistent, yes. Jett...
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala.

Consistent, yes. Jett has not dominated at all, sure he rode well at Pala twice. Good on the kid for (Potentially) winning the title, but this was far from a dominant series. Nothing like 2002, nothing like many of seasons in the past. At times it seemed like him and Cooper couldn't decide who wanted to win the championship.
Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010. Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far.. Canard had 8 wins...

Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010.


Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far..

Canard had 8 wins and 4 seconds over 12 rounds in 2010.
I still think Canard's was more impressive but I will say I am completely biased. Canard came into the championship not really even on the radar since his previous two outdoor seasons were riddled with injuries. After he began seeing a counselor related to his father's passing (in the canard documentary Revival41 I think?) midway through that season he came on fire and cut down Pourcel's championship lead. Pourcel had like a 50 or 60 point lead around the middle part of the season. Plus, Pourcel was a MX2 world champion and would have won the 2009 250 title against Dungey had he not had a DNF (can't remember the details but i remember something strange happening that cost him the title).

I wonder if Trey does testing on Jett's 250 though?
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I witnessed STEW (and RC) early on. That kinda ruins it for everyone else that has come after.

Jett is incredible though.

I think with the progression of bikes and training everyone is on the same level more or less. Yes the top three are on a slightly higher level but… . I feel we’re in the era of injury and sickness avoidance being the key, not much more innovation
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Alright Daddy. I can see why Savatgy's dad thought you were Mr. Lawrence. Canard looks like he won 5 overalls (4 in a row). Jett might...
Alright Daddy. I can see why Savatgy's dad thought you were Mr. Lawrence.

Canard looks like he won 5 overalls (4 in a row). Jett might win 5 if he wins Hangtown. Canard didn't even win a moto until the 12th moto that year.
What is his handle here?
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Nationals 250 class was pretty stacked 07-10, it's hard to compare this year's series to that. No disrespect to Hunter, fantastic rider and great for the sport in every sense.
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To me, Jett 2021 outdoors is a lot like Jeremy Martin in 2014. Bear with me. In 2014 J-Mart was winning in the void left by...
To me, Jett 2021 outdoors is a lot like Jeremy Martin in 2014. Bear with me.

In 2014 J-Mart was winning in the void left by Tomac and Roczen leaving for 450s, with former champ Baggett still there but a wounded version of himself. Webb was in the class too, but not able to really challenge due to inconsistency.

In 2021 Jett is winning in the void left by Ferrandis (and AC the year before), with former champ J-Mart still there but a wounded version of himself. Justin Cooper would kind of fit the Webb role in 2014, but a slightly more consistent version.

** In making the above comparison, I am in no way comparing Jett to J-Mart. Just that Jett's 2021 outdoor series is similar to Jeremy 2014**
Good comparison, I would not have guessed there were so many parallels.

I do remember after the first 6 motos in 2014 that bullfrog was gonna win the championship. I didn't feel like we knew who would win this year until after Ironman, though. I think Jett next year will have an even greater season, right up there with Zacho 17, etc
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mx 219 wrote:
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala. Consistent, yes. Jett...
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala.

Consistent, yes. Jett has not dominated at all, sure he rode well at Pala twice. Good on the kid for (Potentially) winning the title, but this was far from a dominant series. Nothing like 2002, nothing like many of seasons in the past. At times it seemed like him and Cooper couldn't decide who wanted to win the championship.
Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010. Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far.. Canard had 8 wins...

Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010.


Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far..

Canard had 8 wins and 4 seconds over 12 rounds in 2010.
I still think Canard's was more impressive but I will say I am completely biased. Canard came into the championship not really even on the radar...
I still think Canard's was more impressive but I will say I am completely biased. Canard came into the championship not really even on the radar since his previous two outdoor seasons were riddled with injuries. After he began seeing a counselor related to his father's passing (in the canard documentary Revival41 I think?) midway through that season he came on fire and cut down Pourcel's championship lead. Pourcel had like a 50 or 60 point lead around the middle part of the season. Plus, Pourcel was a MX2 world champion and would have won the 2009 250 title against Dungey had he not had a DNF (can't remember the details but i remember something strange happening that cost him the title).

I wonder if Trey does testing on Jett's 250 though?
To be fair Pourcel would have been champ in 2010 without a DNF. But it was the heat that really screwed Pourcel.
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mx 219 wrote:
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala. Consistent, yes. Jett...
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala.

Consistent, yes. Jett has not dominated at all, sure he rode well at Pala twice. Good on the kid for (Potentially) winning the title, but this was far from a dominant series. Nothing like 2002, nothing like many of seasons in the past. At times it seemed like him and Cooper couldn't decide who wanted to win the championship.
Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010. Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far.. Canard had 8 wins...

Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010.


Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far..

Canard had 8 wins and 4 seconds over 12 rounds in 2010.
IMO the 250 field this year is a shadow of the depth in 2010.

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IMO the 250 field this year is a shadow of the depth in 2010. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/09/509319/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_09_09_at_1.20.43_PM.jpg[/img]
IMO the 250 field this year is a shadow of the depth in 2010.

X2 , thats wayyyyyyyyyyy stronger in depth than 2021
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mx 219 wrote:
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala. Consistent, yes. Jett...
Not better than Canard in 2010, not even close. Canard had some great rides late in season coupled with Pourcel's crash at Pala.

Consistent, yes. Jett has not dominated at all, sure he rode well at Pala twice. Good on the kid for (Potentially) winning the title, but this was far from a dominant series. Nothing like 2002, nothing like many of seasons in the past. At times it seemed like him and Cooper couldn't decide who wanted to win the championship.
Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010. Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far.. Canard had 8 wins...

Jett's 2021 season is better than Canards 2010.


Jett has 8 wins and 5 second places over the 11 rounds so far..

Canard had 8 wins and 4 seconds over 12 rounds in 2010.
mx 219 wrote:
Alright Daddy. I can see why Savatgy's dad thought you were Mr. Lawrence. Canard looks like he won 5 overalls (4 in a row). Jett might...
Alright Daddy. I can see why Savatgy's dad thought you were Mr. Lawrence.

Canard looks like he won 5 overalls (4 in a row). Jett might win 5 if he wins Hangtown. Canard didn't even win a moto until the 12th moto that year.
So he disagrees with you and you just throw out insults?

Jeez.
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In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order:

Villopoto, 2007, 2008

Baggett, 2012

Canard, 2010

Osborne, 2017
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In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order: Villopoto, 2007, 2008 Baggett, 2012 Canard, 2010...
In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order:

Villopoto, 2007, 2008

Baggett, 2012

Canard, 2010

Osborne, 2017
Throw Ferandis in there also.
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In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order: Villopoto, 2007, 2008 Baggett, 2012 Canard, 2010...
In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order:

Villopoto, 2007, 2008

Baggett, 2012

Canard, 2010

Osborne, 2017
Tomac and/or Roczen in 2013. Think about those 2 heavy hitters going at it. The best series we have seen with those 2 battling. Would have probably been better had Roczen not crashed at Spring Creek.
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visser62 wrote:
In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order: Villopoto, 2007, 2008 Baggett, 2012 Canard, 2010...
In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order:

Villopoto, 2007, 2008

Baggett, 2012

Canard, 2010

Osborne, 2017
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Tomac and/or Roczen in 2013. Think about those 2 heavy hitters going at it. The best series we have seen with those 2 battling. Would have...
Tomac and/or Roczen in 2013. Think about those 2 heavy hitters going at it. The best series we have seen with those 2 battling. Would have probably been better had Roczen not crashed at Spring Creek.
I was thinking this exact thought as well. The fact that both of them were lugging it out in '13 makes it stand out as one of the more impressive in the last 15 years IMO
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visser62 wrote:
In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order: Villopoto, 2007, 2008 Baggett, 2012 Canard, 2010...
In the last 15 years, I'd say the following seasons were more impressive than Jett's, in no particular order:

Villopoto, 2007, 2008

Baggett, 2012

Canard, 2010

Osborne, 2017
So which one of the title winners those years were also the highest earner in the category and popular and supporter focussed enough to fill a dedicated fan area?

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Were those guys riding through the pack during their runs? I can't remember, but one of the most impressive things about Jett is how he keeps his composure after bad starts and works his way through the field. He doesn't do it on the first lap like Roczen, he settles in then picks off guys methodically. During the 2020 outdoors he had ridiculous passing stats and he's done the same thing this year after bad starts. The difference between this year and last year though is now he's getting good starts.
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He's still gotta win it yet Smile

Although the odds are looking good.
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IMO the 250 field this year is a shadow of the depth in 2010. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/09/509319/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_09_09_at_1.20.43_PM.jpg[/img]
IMO the 250 field this year is a shadow of the depth in 2010.

I don't disagree (but I usually struggle to compare years and eras and shit like that haha)
But the problem with comparing past years for depth is we know what the 2010 careers turned into..
We don't know if the riders from 2021 will be looked at as strong or stronger in 11 years..
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Were those guys riding through the pack during their runs? I can't remember, but one of the most impressive things about Jett is how he keeps...
Were those guys riding through the pack during their runs? I can't remember, but one of the most impressive things about Jett is how he keeps his composure after bad starts and works his way through the field. He doesn't do it on the first lap like Roczen, he settles in then picks off guys methodically. During the 2020 outdoors he had ridiculous passing stats and he's done the same thing this year after bad starts. The difference between this year and last year though is now he's getting good starts.
Baggett had amazing wins riding through the pack in 2012, his second half of the moto performances were on another level.
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How do you guys stack up this 250 outdoor season against others recently? I think overall, the season was impressive. Probably more dominant than Plessinger in...
How do you guys stack up this 250 outdoor season against others recently?

I think overall, the season was impressive. Probably more dominant than Plessinger in 18, And Canard in '10. I bet next season Jett is on par with Jmart for 250 outdoor dominance
Don't really know if it was but I do know Jett style is 2nd or 3rd best/cool/tits style I've ever seen...maybe the best.
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I expect jett endurance n speed will improve and come 2022 mx i expect to win majority of races with or without j mart in on the gate.
Df14 didn't exactly smash the field in 2020 mx 250 ,3 overalls I think and his ur 2021 450 champ.

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This is pretty much the same as AP in 2018. There was 2 guys that were faster, they both got hurt. The fan boys don’t wanna hear it but it’s part of the sport you can’t wreck and get hurt. In 18 AP was impressive, but definitely not as good as Oz or Martin. Same for this year, things we’re getting away from Jett and his biggest threat went down in a heap early, and the next challenger was absolutely gone on him and wrecked into a fence. Someone has to win it but of the last 15 years this is one of the least impressive imo.
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This is pretty much the same as AP in 2018. There was 2 guys that were faster, they both got hurt. The fan boys don’t wanna...
This is pretty much the same as AP in 2018. There was 2 guys that were faster, they both got hurt. The fan boys don’t wanna hear it but it’s part of the sport you can’t wreck and get hurt. In 18 AP was impressive, but definitely not as good as Oz or Martin. Same for this year, things we’re getting away from Jett and his biggest threat went down in a heap early, and the next challenger was absolutely gone on him and wrecked into a fence. Someone has to win it but of the last 15 years this is one of the least impressive imo.

Well, there's the old you gotta be in it to win it. I think his biggest competition all along was going to be Cooper anyways and it looks like he has him covered.
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One thing is for sure. I haven't seen more matured 18 yo kid on the track before
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This is pretty much the same as AP in 2018. There was 2 guys that were faster, they both got hurt. The fan boys don’t wanna...
This is pretty much the same as AP in 2018. There was 2 guys that were faster, they both got hurt. The fan boys don’t wanna hear it but it’s part of the sport you can’t wreck and get hurt. In 18 AP was impressive, but definitely not as good as Oz or Martin. Same for this year, things we’re getting away from Jett and his biggest threat went down in a heap early, and the next challenger was absolutely gone on him and wrecked into a fence. Someone has to win it but of the last 15 years this is one of the least impressive imo.
I would agree to an extent, especially with all the hype around Jett. They wanted to crown him after the 1st round and yet he didn't win his next overall until round 8. Sure he has things clicking now, but as you mentioned Martin and Cooper are both injured.
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It seems every year it's a battle between two maybe 3 people, I wish there were a way to put everyone on more equal equipment than maybe it would be a 5-6 man battle
How many years was it which Pro circuit bike that was gonna win, Than which PC, Geico bike, than which Star Yamaha rider was gonna win.
Clearly the bikes are coming more into play than they should!
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I would agree to an extent, especially with all the hype around Jett. They wanted to crown him after the 1st round and yet he didn't...
I would agree to an extent, especially with all the hype around Jett. They wanted to crown him after the 1st round and yet he didn't win his next overall until round 8. Sure he has things clicking now, but as you mentioned Martin and Cooper are both injured.
I think a lot of people wanted to crown Jett because it's been plain to see he has the talent to be one of the all-time greats. It wasn't based on donuts. Then again there are a lot of people who hate the hype. Haters, really.

And Cooper is injured? How has he been fast qualifier every week? Plus he's worked from the front nearly every race.

And Jeremy, as bad-ass as he is, blew up trying to catch Jett. Who knows if Jeremy could have won this championship if he were totally healthy, would have been cool to see him in the battle.
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