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11/7/2018 4:30 PM

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-lance-redemption-and-the-future-podcast/

Starts at 40:40. Wouldnt send him authentic test results. Make his lawyers fly to europe to see them on a screen. Once they arrive, the story changes to "oops we deleted them". Landis: "over and over they did things like that until you run out of money."

Fuck WADA and Fuck the FIM.

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11/7/2018 5:57 PM

And fuck those drug cheats and the people that support them.

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11/7/2018 6:03 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/7/2018 6:03 PM

Lucifa. wrote:

And fuck those drug cheats and the people that support them.

Yeah Broc Tickle was cheating... really Satan, really

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11/7/2018 8:15 PM

If that's true then they really need to drop Wada before Anaheim 1 and undo every riders suspension.
Months to make decisions and now this. Please explain how Wada is the least bit professional.
Get rid of them and FIM.

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11/7/2018 8:56 PM

Why would they need to provide any sort of test results, proof or evidence of anything before destroying someone’s livelihood? Some person that has a job at a testing place said he failed. Case closed! What’s there to ever question or make someone feel the need for any details around something that has such a significant impact on someone’s life?

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11/7/2018 9:08 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/7/2018 9:10 PM

Lucifa. wrote:

And fuck those drug cheats and the people that support them.

Ok but there are things called reasonable punishments. Should we give the death penalty for speeding? They give careers the death penalty for some of the most minor infractions that you could even still call an infraction. Broc literally gained no advantage whatsoever and his career is over. Regardless of if he knew or not with how insignificant of an infraction that was he literally should have missed 2 races, which knocks you out of a championship and far back in points and then it should have been over. Same with James although adderall actually does have a significant effect but he was prescribed. What Broc got popped for was more a blanket rule than an actual performance enhancing substance, literally drinking a monster before a race would have 100x the effect. Its not even cheating its taking a prohibited substance, theres a difference.

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11/8/2018 8:08 AM

why do we have the FIM ? never have heard a rational explanation except greed.

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11/8/2018 9:37 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/8/2018 9:38 AM

Patrick461 wrote:

why do we have the FIM ? never have heard a rational explanation except greed.

so FELD can lock up the world champ SX title and preemptively freeze out any would-be competition.

the performers tend to take it in the ass as a result. unfortunate paradox.

ebikes honestly cant come soon enough. choice is nothing but a good thing.

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11/8/2018 9:48 AM

so greed like I said

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11/8/2018 10:10 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/8/2018 10:12 AM

We need to do it w/out WADA and WITHOUT a Rule Set based on the damn Olympics.

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Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals. I get my back into my living. I don't need to fight, to prove I'm right. I don't need to be forgiven.

11/8/2018 10:54 AM

Patrick461 wrote:

why do we have the FIM ? never have heard a rational explanation except greed.

Because, credibility. Same with the AMA. Which AMA? The other one, because this one has nothing to do with professional racing although professional racing still uses that one's rule book.


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11/8/2018 11:00 AM

There's another real simple way to get rid of WADA. One that would mean you'd never hear anything from them ever again, and its simpler than you think. All it needs is for all SX riders to sort out their paperwork and to stop taking illegal supplements or performance enhancing drugs. No failed tests, no more mentions of WADA.

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11/8/2018 2:39 PM

Fraser wrote:

There's another real simple way to get rid of WADA. One that would mean you'd never hear anything from them ever again, and ...more

So tell me again “what” performance enhancing drug Tickle was taking/took/drank/shot up etc. etc?

Not a dig on Tickle but whatever it was his performance on a dirtbike wasn’t enhanced. However, this PED that made the list is potent enough of a PED to suspend him til...??? Seems kind of oxymoronish.

Why should/would this be any different than getting popped with a big bore???

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11/8/2018 2:58 PM

Can someone (maybe into bodybuilding or a personal trainer) list some supplements that would be illegal? I cant imagine protein, creatine, bcaa’s, pre-workout, or something like mindfx giving an unfair boost.

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11/8/2018 6:26 PM

brocster wrote:

So tell me again “what” performance enhancing drug Tickle was taking/took/drank/shot up etc. etc?

Not a dig on Tickle but ...more

I don't recall what substance it was. The list is long, and most probably have a negligible effect. The point of signing on to WADA is that all the sports agree to the same list of banned substances, same testing, and same penalties. The problem is those substances have different impacts in different sports. EPO in cycling is like running alcohol fuel or a big bore kit. Personally I doubt there's a substance out there that can make a 5-10 guy into a SX winner. They might be able to improve a place or two outdoors with the right stuff due to fitness gains and better recovery. It's asinine that a big bore kit would get a loss of points, cutting the track or a take would be similar plus or minus a race or two penalty, yet an unknown and likely ineffective substance gets a two year suspension and f*cked up process of enforcement with no due process.

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11/9/2018 12:16 AM

Cant wait till someone really gets fed up with this shit and starts their own series. With one person in charge and one set of rules. Let the factories know either your in or out. The show will go on with or without you.
For some strange reason i can see Chad Reed doing this and actually pulling it off once he retires.

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11/9/2018 1:48 AM

Fraser wrote:

There's another real simple way to get rid of WADA. One that would mean you'd never hear anything from them ever again, and ...more

brocster wrote:

So tell me again “what” performance enhancing drug Tickle was taking/took/drank/shot up etc. etc?

Not a dig on Tickle but ...more

The performance-enhancing drug he took was one on the banned list; a list of substances that, right or wrong, of great or negligible benefit, on sale in every store or only on the black market, have nevertheless been previously deemed as prohibited. This was a list of substances and that he a) was made fully aware of, and b) knowing those rules, agreed to abide by them beforehand, as have all other competitors, the vast majority of which have manage to do so without falling foul.

There is no case to argue. The rules are clear. If you disagree with them that's fine; don't sign up in the first place. But don't disregard the rules that you've agreed to adhere to and then argue afterwards, once you're caught out, that they're unfair.

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11/9/2018 3:31 AM

Serious question - what's stopping racing bodies like the AMA from just ignoring WADA? That's if they feel WADA are not fit for purpose.

Also, can WADA actually do anything if a racing body ignores them?

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11/9/2018 3:48 AM

.kyle wrote:

Serious question - what's stopping racing bodies like the AMA from just ignoring WADA? That's if they feel WADA are not fit ...more

They (the FIM and AMA) could choose to discontinue being a signatory to the WADA code and cease spending money to retain WADA to ensure that motorcycle racing as a sport is clean. That’d get motocross and supercross some mainstream press coverage I’m sure, but I’m not certain it’d be for the right reasons.

And why would you want them to? Because 3 riders out of all those contesting FIM and AMA races worldwide for the last however many years under these same rules got busted for breaking them?

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11/9/2018 7:03 AM

Fraser wrote:

There's another real simple way to get rid of WADA. One that would mean you'd never hear anything from them ever again, and ...more

brocster wrote:

So tell me again “what” performance enhancing drug Tickle was taking/took/drank/shot up etc. etc?

Not a dig on Tickle but ...more

Robgvx wrote:

The performance-enhancing drug he took was one on the banned list; a list of substances that, right or wrong, of great or ...more

I said it already many times over. Yes he took something and got caught. Cheating not so much.
He tested positive for something that obviously gives NO performance enhancing properties
Furthermore he is in limbo for entirely too long for what was probably the equivalent of drinking a Monster (the crap that the series is based on)
My arguement is more for the lackadaisical approach of the testing/enforcing agency and the control it holds over his life for such a measly violation (violation nonetheless)
Let the punishment fit the crime more or less (kinda like getting caught stealing a candy bar vs stealing a car) and being told you can’t walk the streets or your penalty may be increased.

That is all

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11/9/2018 7:35 AM

Robgvx wrote:

The performance-enhancing drug he took was one on the banned list; a list of substances that, right or wrong, of great or ...more

I hope you've never broken a speed limit/traffic law and if you have you handed yourself in to the police to be fined/prosecuted because, you know, rules are rules and must be blindly followed and you are fully aware of those rules/laws when you (signed up to them) acquired your driving license.

Sir Douglas Robert Steuart Bader: "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools."

When an organisation decides that caffeine should be on its banned list then it has become clear that said organisation is well and truly overstepping its remit and is getting out of control and becoming power mad.

WADA is not fit for purpose in its current form and needs new leadership or dissolving.

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11/9/2018 7:49 AM

It would be cool to see the entire 22 rider starting grid at A1 grab one of those energy bars that Tickle ate, and chow down on one behind the line. Just to see what would happen.

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11/9/2018 7:58 AM

What is wrong with you people? Cheating is ok now? It’s not like they are new rules,they all know what they can and can’t take,yet think they can get away with it and then you bunch of morans side with the guy who got busted?
A guy got 19 thumbs down over saying fuck drug cheats? The morals of the USA are gone, gotta cheat to win, yay that’s the new American way.

? on.

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11/9/2018 9:09 AM

jjavaman wrote:

What is wrong with you people? Cheating is ok now? It’s not like they are new rules,they all know what they can and can’t ...more

Those athletes who used caffeine when it was on WADA's banned list were "cheating", then WADA took caffeine of the banned list, so were those athletes really cheating? Now WADA is conducting research to determine whether to reinstate caffeine to the banned list. If that goes ahead are athletes currently using caffeine as a stimulant cheats? Even WADA can't make its own mnd up.

We have an organisation given power and authority and with it can irrecoverably affect an athletes career and WADA seem answerable to no one.

When we have professional athletes that are in charge of 200lbs of fast moving machinery allowing those athletes to take a stimulant/energy boosting supplement that would aid them in remaining focused and alert would be a good thing I would have thought.

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11/9/2018 9:48 AM

Robgvx wrote:

The performance-enhancing drug he took was one on the banned list; a list of substances that, right or wrong, of great or ...more

Great points.

What should be happening is riders now, who haven't tested positive, complaining about the WADA enforcement process and convoluted arbitration process. They need to speak up and get it fixed before they're going through the system themselves.

You're correct they agree to it, for that matter any of us who are amateur bike racers have too via our USA Cycling memberships.

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11/9/2018 10:00 AM

brocster wrote:

So tell me again “what” performance enhancing drug Tickle was taking/took/drank/shot up etc. etc?

Not a dig on Tickle but ...more

Robgvx wrote:

The performance-enhancing drug he took was one on the banned list; a list of substances that, right or wrong, of great or ...more

ACBraap wrote:

Great points.

What should be happening is riders now, who haven't tested positive, complaining about the WADA enforcement ...more

While I agree that the time taken to confirm test results and punishments is unacceptable I hardly agree that current riders should be ‘complaining before they go through the system’. Isn’t that rather suggesting that they’re all cheating or considering doing so?

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11/9/2018 10:03 AM

Robgvx wrote:

While I agree that the time taken to confirm test results and punishments is unacceptable I hardly agree that current riders ...more

Not at all. It would be them saying they want testing, and they want a fair, timely, and transparent process of penalty assessment and appeal should one test positive. Just like you don't have to be criminal to want the justice system to be fair.

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11/9/2018 10:08 AM

Talisker wrote:

Cant wait till someone really gets fed up with this shit and starts their own series. With one person in charge and one set of ...more

Yeah, Just like Youthstream and Giuseppe Luongo.

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Ed Johnson

11/9/2018 10:21 AM

Fraser wrote:

There's another real simple way to get rid of WADA. One that would mean you'd never hear anything from them ever again, and ...more

brocster wrote:

So tell me again “what” performance enhancing drug Tickle was taking/took/drank/shot up etc. etc?

Not a dig on Tickle but ...more

Robgvx wrote:

The performance-enhancing drug he took was one on the banned list; a list of substances that, right or wrong, of great or ...more

I agree completely with your line of reasoning. You are correct that every rider must hold himself accountable to the rules he agrees to compete within. It is the same for riding outside the markers or running leaded fuel.

EXCEPT:
Broc has stated that he did not ingest those ingredients. Nobody in his group can explain where they came from or how they got into his bloodstream.
WADA has declared him guilty by fiat, and now he's guilty until proven innocent. They have provided no way to appeal, no forum to plead his case, and no substantiation of evidence other than their own word. He cannot cross-examine the evidence against him nor face his accuser. Broc can only wait and guess how long his career will be interrupted. Meanwhile, all his sponsors that he worked his whole life to collect are committing support and funds to other riders and moving on.

Ask yourself this: What if Broc Tickle really was innocent? How could he prove it? How would the word even know?

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Braaapin' aint easy.

11/9/2018 10:54 AM

ACBraap wrote:

Great points.

What should be happening is riders now, who haven't tested positive, complaining about the WADA enforcement ...more

Robgvx wrote:

While I agree that the time taken to confirm test results and punishments is unacceptable I hardly agree that current riders ...more

ACBraap wrote:

Not at all. It would be them saying they want testing, and they want a fair, timely, and transparent process of penalty ...more

WADA do drug tests then report back to the FIM / Youthstream. They don't know who the test is for and don't set penalties or bans. That's done by YS or the FIM or a lawyer they've appointed. All this talk of unfair penalties being handed out by WADA isn't right. They would appeal an FIM decision if they felt it was unduly lenient compared with other sports, but they don't set the bans.

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