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11/22/2020 6:14 AM

Two new 450s at the track yesterday and both had dead batteries. One guy had his a week and the other picked his up on Friday.

Had the same prob with my 2017 KTM 450.

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11/22/2020 6:19 AM

First thing I do is install a Shorai battery.
The best I've found with greater starting power and last forever.

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11/22/2020 6:26 AM

I have been an RC dork for over 20 years and LIPO and LI ion's have changed the game.
My brother inlaw was going to charge his 18 ktm battery on a lead acid car charger.... yeah that would have been fire.

Perhaps the batteries didn't charged correctly at the dealer ship, also when batteries come to me from Amainhobbies they are almost always charged to storage only voltage and must be balance charged in order to be used correctly.

Hope those guys got there dirt scooters going eventually!

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11/22/2020 6:43 AM

My buddies brand new YZF did this on his first ride i this spring, rode it for 15 minutes, stopped and then it went in to limp mode.
He had the yamaha charger and was able to ”unlock” it again but it was fried somehow, Yamaha sent him a new battery right away so its probably happened more than once.

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11/22/2020 7:01 AM

Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait.

People can talk all the garbage they want on others that still have a kick start and a carburetor but you wont see them having to call it a day due to a dead battery. I'm not trying to be that "old school" dude but one of the coolest things about being a dirtbike rider is/was how simple they were and they would always run aside from being prevented by a glaring mechanical problem. Now with the battery so crucial to a bike to not only run but to even get it started since the kickstarter has been completely eliminated....I'm sorry but losing out on a day of riding once you've already loaded up, drove to the track, paid, and unloaded ....only to find out your day is over before it began would infuriate me to no end.

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11/22/2020 7:06 AM

I've never had a dead battery on my 18 kx 450.

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11/22/2020 7:07 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2020 7:08 AM

Lightning78 wrote:

Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait.

People can talk all the garbage they want on others that still have a kick start and a carburetor but you wont see them having to call it a day due to a dead battery. I'm not trying to be that "old school" dude but one of the coolest things about being a dirtbike rider is/was how simple they were and they would always run aside from being prevented by a glaring mechanical problem. Now with the battery so crucial to a bike to not only run but to even get it started since the kickstarter has been completely eliminated....I'm sorry but losing out on a day of riding once you've already loaded up, drove to the track, paid, and unloaded ....only to find out your day is over before it began would infuriate me to no end.

Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical standpoint as mentioned above, it’s ridiculous. Supposed to help in the middle of a race if you stall but if it doesn’t even get you to the gate your days wrecked. Such a huge topic to debate but I really enjoy my older carbureted , kickstart bikes.

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11/22/2020 7:09 AM

Excuse me for living in the dark ages with carbs, reeds and kick levers......but,
When these bikes are STONE dead, can they be bump started or must you have some juice for the fuel pump?

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11/22/2020 7:24 AM

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batteries suck... hurray kickstarters and carburetors!!!
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Don’t piss off the old people - the older they get the less “life in prison” is a deterrent for them!

2020.5 KTM 450 SXF FE
2006 KX250

11/22/2020 7:39 AM

bvm111 wrote: Photo

batteries suck... hurray kickstarters and carburetors!!!

Exacry

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11/22/2020 7:43 AM

OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong. When I crash, I still have to put it in nuetral to get it fired up.

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11/22/2020 8:44 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2020 8:46 AM

walent215 wrote:

Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical standpoint as mentioned above, it’s ridiculous. Supposed to help in the middle of a race if you stall but if it doesn’t even get you to the gate your days wrecked. Such a huge topic to debate but I really enjoy my older carbureted , kickstart bikes.

Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started.

Mine had life within a split second of me pressing the button.

Not saying one is better than the other, but they both have their pro's & con's.
My e-start bike hasn't let me down in the 2 years of owning it.

I did run across a guy on a new KTM that had a dead battery on day 1 and it wouldn't push start (I think certain KTM models can't from the factory, some can). Had to jump his bike off so he could ride.

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11/22/2020 8:53 AM

i'd give up a few ounces for a backup kickstarter..

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11/22/2020 9:00 AM

So...did they jump start them?
Borrow a battery?

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I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.

11/22/2020 9:00 AM

usp4u wrote:

Excuse me for living in the dark ages with carbs, reeds and kick levers......but,
When these bikes are STONE dead, can they be bump started or must you have some juice for the fuel pump?

It depends not only on the brand but the model. A ktm tpi xc 2 stroke can be bump started with a dead battery (and they sell a kickstarter for it) but the enduro model xc-w with the same engine will not start with a dead battery.

Is it just me or do fuel injected bikes kick start easier than carbed?

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11/22/2020 9:40 AM

SweetDaddy wrote:

Two new 450s at the track yesterday and both had dead batteries. One guy had his a week and the other picked his up on Friday.

Had the same prob with my 2017 KTM 450.

bad luck for them, the ones I have seen at tracks in my area seem to run all day (to be fair I didnt notice them not running, I am sure I would of notice had they not been)

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Current rides: 2020 CRF450RWE and 2019 TC300
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500RF
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11/22/2020 9:58 AM

Suzuki wins again

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11/22/2020 10:14 AM

Dual shocks on all bikes, as one will always fail!

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11/22/2020 10:31 AM

Lightning78 wrote:

Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait.

People can talk all the garbage they want on others that still have a kick start and a carburetor but you wont see them having to call it a day due to a dead battery. I'm not trying to be that "old school" dude but one of the coolest things about being a dirtbike rider is/was how simple they were and they would always run aside from being prevented by a glaring mechanical problem. Now with the battery so crucial to a bike to not only run but to even get it started since the kickstarter has been completely eliminated....I'm sorry but losing out on a day of riding once you've already loaded up, drove to the track, paid, and unloaded ....only to find out your day is over before it began would infuriate me to no end.

walent215 wrote:

Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical standpoint as mentioned above, it’s ridiculous. Supposed to help in the middle of a race if you stall but if it doesn’t even get you to the gate your days wrecked. Such a huge topic to debate but I really enjoy my older carbureted , kickstart bikes.

1983YZ125 wrote:

Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started.

Mine had life within a split second of me pressing the button.

Not saying one is better than the other, but they both have their pro's & con's.
My e-start bike hasn't let me down in the 2 years of owning it.

I did run across a guy on a new KTM that had a dead battery on day 1 and it wouldn't push start (I think certain KTM models can't from the factory, some can). Had to jump his bike off so he could ride.

His YZ was a POS then.

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11/22/2020 10:39 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2020 11:34 AM

1983YZ125 wrote:

Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started.

Mine had life within a split second of me pressing the button.

Not saying one is better than the other, but they both have their pro's & con's.
My e-start bike hasn't let me down in the 2 years of owning it.

I did run across a guy on a new KTM that had a dead battery on day 1 and it wouldn't push start (I think certain KTM models can't from the factory, some can). Had to jump his bike off so he could ride.

Yeah that's not normal. If a modern two stroke doesn't start in a couple of kicks its user error. Thing probably had 98 PSI of compression, a spark plug gap of .053 and an air filter that hasn't been changed for the last 7 rides.

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11/22/2020 10:42 AM

Over 2 years on my stock battery on my 19 250R. Im sure a better battery would make it start faster on colder days but no complaints here!

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11/22/2020 11:22 AM

Can you not just boost it with one of those little lithium ion battery booster packs?

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11/22/2020 11:28 AM

mirramaxx wrote:

I have been an RC dork for over 20 years and LIPO and LI ion's have changed the game.
My brother inlaw was going to charge his 18 ktm battery on a lead acid car charger.... yeah that would have been fire.

Perhaps the batteries didn't charged correctly at the dealer ship, also when batteries come to me from Amainhobbies they are almost always charged to storage only voltage and must be balance charged in order to be used correctly.

Hope those guys got there dirt scooters going eventually!

Lmao same. All of my cars run lipos

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11/22/2020 11:32 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2020 11:33 AM

Lightning78 wrote:

Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait.

People can talk all the garbage they want on others that still have a kick start and a carburetor but you wont see them having to call it a day due to a dead battery. I'm not trying to be that "old school" dude but one of the coolest things about being a dirtbike rider is/was how simple they were and they would always run aside from being prevented by a glaring mechanical problem. Now with the battery so crucial to a bike to not only run but to even get it started since the kickstarter has been completely eliminated....I'm sorry but losing out on a day of riding once you've already loaded up, drove to the track, paid, and unloaded ....only to find out your day is over before it began would infuriate me to no end.

Call it a day?

Couldn't you just bumpstart it and keep on keeping on? We're talking about a dead battery here. Not some sort of catastrophic failure.

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11/22/2020 11:35 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2020 11:36 AM

Jaybird67k wrote:

First thing I do is install a Shorai battery.
The best I've found with greater starting power and last forever.

X2, I have a couple that are 5 years old and still going strong.

Paw Paw

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11/22/2020 11:54 AM

crowe660 wrote:

OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong. When I crash, I still have to put it in nuetral to get it fired up.

I can start my 350 in any gear with the clutch in with the Shorai battery. It spins way faster and harder than the stock battery.

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11/22/2020 12:28 PM

mx216 wrote:

Yeah that's not normal. If a modern two stroke doesn't start in a couple of kicks its user error. Thing probably had 98 PSI of compression, a spark plug gap of .053 and an air filter that hasn't been changed for the last 7 rides.

...I was able to piece that much together laughing

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11/22/2020 3:37 PM

crowe660 wrote:

OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong. When I crash, I still have to put it in nuetral to get it fired up.

Jaybird67k wrote:

I can start my 350 in any gear with the clutch in with the Shorai battery. It spins way faster and harder than the stock battery.

My 2020 crf250rx starts all the time easily in gear. I went to start it up a couple days ago as I’m trading it in here soon. And it’s been sitting for 2 months. Started right up perfectly and it’s winter and cold here. Stock battery

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11/22/2020 5:56 PM

Problem solved???Photo

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11/22/2020 6:11 PM

Pop it

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