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SweetDaddy
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Edited Date/Time 11/22/2020 8:10pm
Two new 450s at the track yesterday and both had dead batteries. One guy had his a week and the other picked his up on Friday.

Had the same prob with my 2017 KTM 450.
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Jaybird67k
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11/22/2020 6:19am
First thing I do is install a Shorai battery.
The best I've found with greater starting power and last forever.
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mirramaxx
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I have been an RC dork for over 20 years and LIPO and LI ion's have changed the game.
My brother inlaw was going to charge his 18 ktm battery on a lead acid car charger.... yeah that would have been fire.

Perhaps the batteries didn't charged correctly at the dealer ship, also when batteries come to me from Amainhobbies they are almost always charged to storage only voltage and must be balance charged in order to be used correctly.

Hope those guys got there dirt scooters going eventually!
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My buddies brand new YZF did this on his first ride i this spring, rode it for 15 minutes, stopped and then it went in to limp mode.
He had the yamaha charger and was able to ”unlock” it again but it was fried somehow, Yamaha sent him a new battery right away so its probably happened more than once.
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11/22/2020 7:01am
Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait.

People can talk all the garbage they want on others that still have a kick start and a carburetor but you wont see them having to call it a day due to a dead battery. I'm not trying to be that "old school" dude but one of the coolest things about being a dirtbike rider is/was how simple they were and they would always run aside from being prevented by a glaring mechanical problem. Now with the battery so crucial to a bike to not only run but to even get it started since the kickstarter has been completely eliminated....I'm sorry but losing out on a day of riding once you've already loaded up, drove to the track, paid, and unloaded ....only to find out your day is over before it began would infuriate me to no end.
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I've never had a dead battery on my 18 kx 450.
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11/22/2020 7:07am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2020 7:08am
Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait. People can talk all the garbage they want on...
Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait.

People can talk all the garbage they want on others that still have a kick start and a carburetor but you wont see them having to call it a day due to a dead battery. I'm not trying to be that "old school" dude but one of the coolest things about being a dirtbike rider is/was how simple they were and they would always run aside from being prevented by a glaring mechanical problem. Now with the battery so crucial to a bike to not only run but to even get it started since the kickstarter has been completely eliminated....I'm sorry but losing out on a day of riding once you've already loaded up, drove to the track, paid, and unloaded ....only to find out your day is over before it began would infuriate me to no end.
Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical standpoint as mentioned above, it’s ridiculous. Supposed to help in the middle of a race if you stall but if it doesn’t even get you to the gate your days wrecked. Such a huge topic to debate but I really enjoy my older carbureted , kickstart bikes.
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Excuse me for living in the dark ages with carbs, reeds and kick levers......but,
When these bikes are STONE dead, can they be bump started or must you have some juice for the fuel pump?
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batteries suck... hurray kickstarters and carburetors!!!
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bvm111 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/22/460807/s1200_40BE2F45_C328_4E52_8002_CB10D39370A7.jpg[/img] batteries suck... hurray kickstarters and carburetors!!!


batteries suck... hurray kickstarters and carburetors!!!
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OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong. When I crash, I still have to put it in nuetral to get it fired up.
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11/22/2020 8:44am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2020 8:46am
walent215 wrote:
Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical...
Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical standpoint as mentioned above, it’s ridiculous. Supposed to help in the middle of a race if you stall but if it doesn’t even get you to the gate your days wrecked. Such a huge topic to debate but I really enjoy my older carbureted , kickstart bikes.
Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started.

Mine had life within a split second of me pressing the button.

Not saying one is better than the other, but they both have their pro's & con's.
My e-start bike hasn't let me down in the 2 years of owning it.

I did run across a guy on a new KTM that had a dead battery on day 1 and it wouldn't push start (I think certain KTM models can't from the factory, some can). Had to jump his bike off so he could ride.
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vetmxr
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11/22/2020 8:53am
i'd give up a few ounces for a backup kickstarter..
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11/22/2020 9:00am
So...did they jump start them?
Borrow a battery?
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usp4u wrote:
Excuse me for living in the dark ages with carbs, reeds and kick levers......but, When these bikes are STONE dead, can they be bump started or...
Excuse me for living in the dark ages with carbs, reeds and kick levers......but,
When these bikes are STONE dead, can they be bump started or must you have some juice for the fuel pump?
It depends not only on the brand but the model. A ktm tpi xc 2 stroke can be bump started with a dead battery (and they sell a kickstarter for it) but the enduro model xc-w with the same engine will not start with a dead battery.

Is it just me or do fuel injected bikes kick start easier than carbed?
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SweetDaddy wrote:
Two new 450s at the track yesterday and both had dead batteries. One guy had his a week and the other picked his up on Friday...
Two new 450s at the track yesterday and both had dead batteries. One guy had his a week and the other picked his up on Friday.

Had the same prob with my 2017 KTM 450.
bad luck for them, the ones I have seen at tracks in my area seem to run all day (to be fair I didnt notice them not running, I am sure I would of notice had they not been)
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11/22/2020 10:14am
Dual shocks on all bikes, as one will always fail!
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walent215 wrote:
Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical...
Electric start has been this convenience item that the general public has demanded and now has. I personally think it’s “ cool” but from the mechanical standpoint as mentioned above, it’s ridiculous. Supposed to help in the middle of a race if you stall but if it doesn’t even get you to the gate your days wrecked. Such a huge topic to debate but I really enjoy my older carbureted , kickstart bikes.
1983YZ125 wrote:
Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started. Mine had...
Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started.

Mine had life within a split second of me pressing the button.

Not saying one is better than the other, but they both have their pro's & con's.
My e-start bike hasn't let me down in the 2 years of owning it.

I did run across a guy on a new KTM that had a dead battery on day 1 and it wouldn't push start (I think certain KTM models can't from the factory, some can). Had to jump his bike off so he could ride.
His YZ was a POS then.
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11/22/2020 10:39am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2020 11:34am
1983YZ125 wrote:
Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started. Mine had...
Yesterday i saw a guy at the trail head on a YZ250 kicking and kicking for probably 15 minutes before his bike finally started.

Mine had life within a split second of me pressing the button.

Not saying one is better than the other, but they both have their pro's & con's.
My e-start bike hasn't let me down in the 2 years of owning it.

I did run across a guy on a new KTM that had a dead battery on day 1 and it wouldn't push start (I think certain KTM models can't from the factory, some can). Had to jump his bike off so he could ride.
Yeah that's not normal. If a modern two stroke doesn't start in a couple of kicks its user error. Thing probably had 98 PSI of compression, a spark plug gap of .053 and an air filter that hasn't been changed for the last 7 rides.
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Over 2 years on my stock battery on my 19 250R. Im sure a better battery would make it start faster on colder days but no complaints here!
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11/22/2020 11:22am
Can you not just boost it with one of those little lithium ion battery booster packs?
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mirramaxx wrote:
I have been an RC dork for over 20 years and LIPO and LI ion's have changed the game. My brother inlaw was going to charge...
I have been an RC dork for over 20 years and LIPO and LI ion's have changed the game.
My brother inlaw was going to charge his 18 ktm battery on a lead acid car charger.... yeah that would have been fire.

Perhaps the batteries didn't charged correctly at the dealer ship, also when batteries come to me from Amainhobbies they are almost always charged to storage only voltage and must be balance charged in order to be used correctly.

Hope those guys got there dirt scooters going eventually!
Lmao same. All of my cars run lipos
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11/22/2020 11:32am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2020 11:33am
Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait. People can talk all the garbage they want on...
Well it's a good thing these $10,000 bikes dont NEED that battery to start and run.....oh wait.

People can talk all the garbage they want on others that still have a kick start and a carburetor but you wont see them having to call it a day due to a dead battery. I'm not trying to be that "old school" dude but one of the coolest things about being a dirtbike rider is/was how simple they were and they would always run aside from being prevented by a glaring mechanical problem. Now with the battery so crucial to a bike to not only run but to even get it started since the kickstarter has been completely eliminated....I'm sorry but losing out on a day of riding once you've already loaded up, drove to the track, paid, and unloaded ....only to find out your day is over before it began would infuriate me to no end.
Call it a day?

Couldn't you just bumpstart it and keep on keeping on? We're talking about a dead battery here. Not some sort of catastrophic failure.
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11/22/2020 11:35am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2020 11:36am
Jaybird67k wrote:
First thing I do is install a Shorai battery.
The best I've found with greater starting power and last forever.
X2, I have a couple that are 5 years old and still going strong.

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crowe660 wrote:
OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am...
OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong. When I crash, I still have to put it in nuetral to get it fired up.
I can start my 350 in any gear with the clutch in with the Shorai battery. It spins way faster and harder than the stock battery.
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mx216 wrote:
Yeah that's not normal. If a modern two stroke doesn't start in a couple of kicks its user error. Thing probably had 98 PSI of compression...
Yeah that's not normal. If a modern two stroke doesn't start in a couple of kicks its user error. Thing probably had 98 PSI of compression, a spark plug gap of .053 and an air filter that hasn't been changed for the last 7 rides.
...I was able to piece that much together Laughing
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crowe660 wrote:
OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am...
OT, I've never had a bike with e-start that I've been able to pull the clutch in and it'll fire up. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong. When I crash, I still have to put it in nuetral to get it fired up.
Jaybird67k wrote:
I can start my 350 in any gear with the clutch in with the Shorai battery. It spins way faster and harder than the stock battery.
My 2020 crf250rx starts all the time easily in gear. I went to start it up a couple days ago as I’m trading it in here soon. And it’s been sitting for 2 months. Started right up perfectly and it’s winter and cold here. Stock battery
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11/22/2020 8:09pm
NEW riders pushed for E start, the core of the sport never wanted it.
No, really KTM could not figure out how to make a 4 stroke fire up so they just used a battery, writing was on the wall once ralph sheheen picked up on it.
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