Honda CRF 450RS (2022)

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Edited Date/Time 8/9/2022 7:49pm
Just curious if anyone here has ridden or owned one. I was just watching the MXA shootout and I'm curious as the price point compared to the factory edition is about 4k.
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lumpy790 8/8/2022 4:52pm
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The R-S is the old 2017-2020 design no where near the newer upgraded 2021 design.
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NP301 8/8/2022 4:54pm
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lumpy790 wrote:
The R-S is the old 2017-2020 design no where near the newer upgraded 2021 design.
I'm aware, i watched the video, I'm asking if anyone here rode the 2022 version or owns one, and has ridden the new versions to compare.
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JWACK 8/8/2022 7:36pm
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From the Honda website the 23 R-S shows to be the current generation. Good deal if you ask me. I owned an 18.That bike just wanted to kill me all the time.
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The 2023 rs is now the updated 21/22 gen bike basically an untouched 22 is what it said. No changed to it like the 23 got so it is the new gen body
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jwall981 wrote:
The 2023 rs is now the updated 21/22 gen bike basically an untouched 22 is what it said. No changed to it like the 23 got...
The 2023 rs is now the updated 21/22 gen bike basically an untouched 22 is what it said. No changed to it like the 23 got so it is the new gen body
Me thinks that's the wrong bike image in the ad. A deep search on Google suggests it's still the previous generation with the R-S designation. They're not promoting it well, or at all. Maybe just clearing out a warehouse full of dead stock, sure they're not still in production!
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NP301 wrote:
I'm aware, i watched the video, I'm asking if anyone here rode the 2022 version or owns one, and has ridden the new versions to compare.
I'm aware, i watched the video, I'm asking if anyone here rode the 2022 version or owns one, and has ridden the new versions to compare.
I've ridden both, but will probably be in the minority with my opinions. I like the 21/22' RS better than the production 21/22' R. However, the new 23' 450R has cleaner mapping and is all-around improved, so it edges out the older gen ever so slightly. What I like about the twin piper RS is the aftermarket availability of parts and known fixes that produce BIG improvements (23.5/24mm triple clamps, Pro Circuit link arms or full AHM knuckle/pull-rod assembly, known suspension settings, torque specs, proper tires/sizing, etc). Also, the ergos fit me better: the seat didn't break down so fast or have a thin spot, the side panels 'locked' you in as a rider, and the cable actuated clutch wasn't bad if you just removed the judder spring assembly and replaced with a full plate. To put it simply, it's a good bike at a great price: Basically getting a modern (19/20) Honda at Suzuki pricing...

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Dirty Points 8/9/2022 9:36am
8/9/2022 9:36am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2022 9:43am
jwall981 wrote:
The 2023 rs is now the updated 21/22 gen bike basically an untouched 22 is what it said. No changed to it like the 23 got...
The 2023 rs is now the updated 21/22 gen bike basically an untouched 22 is what it said. No changed to it like the 23 got so it is the new gen body
Joshracing wrote:
Me thinks that's the wrong bike image in the ad. A deep search on Google suggests it's still the previous generation with the R-S designation. They're...
Me thinks that's the wrong bike image in the ad. A deep search on Google suggests it's still the previous generation with the R-S designation. They're not promoting it well, or at all. Maybe just clearing out a warehouse full of dead stock, sure they're not still in production!
'22 RS = previous Generation
'23 RS = current Generation


Honda '23 CRF-R series release video (RS at 6:44)
"It is based on the 2022 CRF-R model, and offered at a very attractive MSRP"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFqL8FzAbGY
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Skerby 8/9/2022 9:38am
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I own a 2022 450RS. I like a lot of things about it, ergonomically super dialed, runs really good mid to top, whips better than my yz250f. The mapping is pretty bad at low rpms which makes carrying 3rd in tight corners difficult & 2nd gear is a herky jerky nightmare if you're throttle control isnt perfect, fork is way too soft, shock blows through, clutch is horrible.

Really not all that hard to iron out these faults. Just need mild suspension changes like fork springs and maybe a revalve from someone who knows what they are doing, get it remapped, throw in stiffer clutch springs and/or learn to ride without clutch. Some people have gone to longer clutch actuator arms, but you need to fab it up yourself.
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Rupert X 8/9/2022 9:44am
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Visited some ‘23’s at The Iron Pony in Ohio today.








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fourfourone 8/9/2022 9:45am
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I'm lost. I thought the RS was the 17-21 model.

Why would they have a new version be and RS model? 22 and 23 are the same bike minus a few very minor tweaks.
Dirty Points 8/9/2022 9:52am
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I'm lost. I thought the RS was the 17-21 model. Why would they have a new version be and RS model? 22 and 23 are the...
I'm lost. I thought the RS was the 17-21 model.

Why would they have a new version be and RS model? 22 and 23 are the same bike minus a few very minor tweaks.
Why would Austria sell multiple version of the same bike with some small tweaks at different price points?
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hubbardmx50 8/9/2022 10:15am
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NP301 wrote:
I'm aware, i watched the video, I'm asking if anyone here rode the 2022 version or owns one, and has ridden the new versions to compare.
I'm aware, i watched the video, I'm asking if anyone here rode the 2022 version or owns one, and has ridden the new versions to compare.
crc245 wrote:
I've ridden both, but will probably be in the minority with my opinions. I like the 21/22' RS better than the production 21/22' R. However, the...
I've ridden both, but will probably be in the minority with my opinions. I like the 21/22' RS better than the production 21/22' R. However, the new 23' 450R has cleaner mapping and is all-around improved, so it edges out the older gen ever so slightly. What I like about the twin piper RS is the aftermarket availability of parts and known fixes that produce BIG improvements (23.5/24mm triple clamps, Pro Circuit link arms or full AHM knuckle/pull-rod assembly, known suspension settings, torque specs, proper tires/sizing, etc). Also, the ergos fit me better: the seat didn't break down so fast or have a thin spot, the side panels 'locked' you in as a rider, and the cable actuated clutch wasn't bad if you just removed the judder spring assembly and replaced with a full plate. To put it simply, it's a good bike at a great price: Basically getting a modern (19/20) Honda at Suzuki pricing...

Wow, I've been wondering for two years about everything you just said. Is this new generation 21-23 bike any better than the 17-20? It's hard to find an honest review because of course the people who spent 11k on one will tell it's the best bike they've ever owned. I've been eyeing up that 2023 R-S since the announcement in May and want one real bad. But at the same time my 17 is so dialed in and doesn't so anything weird. I'm torn between freshening up my 17 and riding it for a few more years or going for this new RS.

Funny you mention the seat foam because I just replaced mine. It lasted five years and never gave me an issue. The 13-16 seats were horrible
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fourfourone 8/9/2022 10:46am
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fourfourone wrote:
I'm lost. I thought the RS was the 17-21 model. Why would they have a new version be and RS model? 22 and 23 are the...
I'm lost. I thought the RS was the 17-21 model.

Why would they have a new version be and RS model? 22 and 23 are the same bike minus a few very minor tweaks.
Dirty Points wrote:
Why would Austria sell multiple version of the same bike with some small tweaks at different price points?
Yea but the price difference comes from using cheaper parts.

Thats like comparing apples to oranges here. Plus were talking just Honda. Not 3 rebranded bike companies.

22 models have been hard to find so I don't see why there would be enough of a surplus all of a sudden to make an RS model. It seems odd to me. Other than the mapping and fork Isn't the 23 the same bike? So your basically going to pay less for a shitty map and forks that need a re valve?
Dirty Points 8/9/2022 10:55am
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fourfourone wrote:
I'm lost. I thought the RS was the 17-21 model. Why would they have a new version be and RS model? 22 and 23 are the...
I'm lost. I thought the RS was the 17-21 model.

Why would they have a new version be and RS model? 22 and 23 are the same bike minus a few very minor tweaks.
Dirty Points wrote:
Why would Austria sell multiple version of the same bike with some small tweaks at different price points?
fourfourone wrote:
Yea but the price difference comes from using cheaper parts. Thats like comparing apples to oranges here. Plus were talking just Honda. Not 3 rebranded bike...
Yea but the price difference comes from using cheaper parts.

Thats like comparing apples to oranges here. Plus were talking just Honda. Not 3 rebranded bike companies.

22 models have been hard to find so I don't see why there would be enough of a surplus all of a sudden to make an RS model. It seems odd to me. Other than the mapping and fork Isn't the 23 the same bike? So your basically going to pay less for a shitty map and forks that need a re valve?
There's a new cam, new intake, a new throttle body, and changes to the chassis stiffness.

That's the type of changes that certain types of dudes always are always willing to spend a few hundred dollars chasing.
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fourfourone 8/9/2022 11:06am
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Dirty Points wrote:
Why would Austria sell multiple version of the same bike with some small tweaks at different price points?
fourfourone wrote:
Yea but the price difference comes from using cheaper parts. Thats like comparing apples to oranges here. Plus were talking just Honda. Not 3 rebranded bike...
Yea but the price difference comes from using cheaper parts.

Thats like comparing apples to oranges here. Plus were talking just Honda. Not 3 rebranded bike companies.

22 models have been hard to find so I don't see why there would be enough of a surplus all of a sudden to make an RS model. It seems odd to me. Other than the mapping and fork Isn't the 23 the same bike? So your basically going to pay less for a shitty map and forks that need a re valve?
Dirty Points wrote:
There's a new cam, new intake, a new throttle body, and changes to the chassis stiffness. That's the type of changes that certain types of dudes...
There's a new cam, new intake, a new throttle body, and changes to the chassis stiffness.

That's the type of changes that certain types of dudes always are always willing to spend a few hundred dollars chasing.
So maybe they had a surplus of old engines?
Dirty Points 8/9/2022 11:18am
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fourfourone wrote:
Yea but the price difference comes from using cheaper parts. Thats like comparing apples to oranges here. Plus were talking just Honda. Not 3 rebranded bike...
Yea but the price difference comes from using cheaper parts.

Thats like comparing apples to oranges here. Plus were talking just Honda. Not 3 rebranded bike companies.

22 models have been hard to find so I don't see why there would be enough of a surplus all of a sudden to make an RS model. It seems odd to me. Other than the mapping and fork Isn't the 23 the same bike? So your basically going to pay less for a shitty map and forks that need a re valve?
Dirty Points wrote:
There's a new cam, new intake, a new throttle body, and changes to the chassis stiffness. That's the type of changes that certain types of dudes...
There's a new cam, new intake, a new throttle body, and changes to the chassis stiffness.

That's the type of changes that certain types of dudes always are always willing to spend a few hundred dollars chasing.
fourfourone wrote:
So maybe they had a surplus of old engines?
Surplus, or the number that they intended when they began the multi-year cycle that they can stretch to whatever year length to meet demand?

Isn't it more strategic to offer multiple lines with varying componentry, than to have to discount out the "surplus" production of prior year?

Yamaha does this slightly differently by cycling revisions through first the 450 YZ-F then the 250 and FX subsequent years.
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fourfourone 8/9/2022 11:30am
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I feel like it would be harder for the salesmen. Guy walks in a see 2 bikes that look exactly the same but one is $1000 dollars more.

Dirty Points 8/9/2022 11:39am
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I feel like it would be harder for the salesmen. Guy walks in a see 2 bikes that look exactly the same but one is $1000...
I feel like it would be harder for the salesmen. Guy walks in a see 2 bikes that look exactly the same but one is $1000 dollars more.

The marketing concept that is as old as marketing itself: There is a guy who wants the cheaper nearly-as-good model who won't pay more for the upgrade. Then there is a guy who wants the more expensive, more up-to-date model, who won't settle for the downgrade. It is not the same guy, but you sure as hell provide a product to that premium shopper, regardless if the volume is smaller.
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NP301 8/9/2022 3:53pm
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Thanks for the insights. My feeling is for most casual rider the RS version is probably the better snag, and they can realistically buy aftermarket parts like suspension, exhaust with the extra 4k, to make it even better.
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There hasn’t been a single test that says the 21-23 model is worse than the 17-20. The newer gen is better in every way (I’m sure someone will argue that), but I’ve not come across any test riders saying that. The newer gen is the way to go.

Now a 23RS (really a 22) vs. a 23R model (essentially a 22 with engine, intake, mapping, and frame chgs) would it be worth it? Tougher call, but I would say yes if you are a guy who rides all the time, races, etc., you want the best you can get even if $1,000 more. Personally I would get a 23R model… I’m the second guy @dirty points gave an example of. The early tests say it’s better, not shouting from the rooftop better, but better. Refined.

I’ve racked up some hours on my 21R current gen and a 23R is in the running for next bike… waiting to hear about new Yamadog.
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hubbardmx50 8/9/2022 5:21pm
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RCMXracing wrote:
There hasn’t been a single test that says the 21-23 model is worse than the 17-20. The newer gen is better in every way (I’m sure...
There hasn’t been a single test that says the 21-23 model is worse than the 17-20. The newer gen is better in every way (I’m sure someone will argue that), but I’ve not come across any test riders saying that. The newer gen is the way to go.

Now a 23RS (really a 22) vs. a 23R model (essentially a 22 with engine, intake, mapping, and frame chgs) would it be worth it? Tougher call, but I would say yes if you are a guy who rides all the time, races, etc., you want the best you can get even if $1,000 more. Personally I would get a 23R model… I’m the second guy @dirty points gave an example of. The early tests say it’s better, not shouting from the rooftop better, but better. Refined.

I’ve racked up some hours on my 21R current gen and a 23R is in the running for next bike… waiting to hear about new Yamadog.
Thanks dude! Yeah everyone I know who owned both generations says the new bike is better, especially the frame. Then you have he media/magazine test guys who all either seem to love it or hate it. Haha. At the end of the day I've owned every gen Honda 450 since 2005 and enjoyed them all. I doubt I would hate this one. Just wondering if the juice is worth the squeeze.
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lumpy790 8/9/2022 5:36pm
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Strange part was there weren’t enough of the new 21’s to supply the Motoconcepts team so they basically raced the R-S.

Another thing is I have never been able to find the R-S parts breakdown on line.
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jwall981 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/09/563376/s1200_8C565062_7A82_4F51_8BF9_4BD004F61C2F.jpg[/img] Im sorry ml that it’s mxa but

Im sorry ml that it’s mxa but
Are they keeping the price point from 2022? The 4k price point difference be looking nice not going to lie.
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jwall981 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/09/563376/s1200_8C565062_7A82_4F51_8BF9_4BD004F61C2F.jpg[/img] Im sorry ml that it’s mxa but

Im sorry ml that it’s mxa but
NP301 wrote:
Are they keeping the price point from 2022? The 4k price point difference be looking nice not going to lie.
The 2023R-S will go for 8799 MSRP. If they ever show up.... I still haven't seen any.

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