Hmm. How does this happen?

tek14
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2/26/2020 8:42am
Why would you take practice start on same line anyway? To ruin your main starts?
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2/26/2020 8:55am
They should alternate grate starts and dirt starts. Maybe let’s have dirt starts for the triple crowns??
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wsmille2
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2/26/2020 8:56am
This looks as if it was the gate left of the dog house (or first to the right when looking at pictures below) when looking to the first turn.
The riders who started in this gate in Arlington are:
250 Race 1: J. Martin (4th first turn)
250 Race 2: J. Martin (16th first turn)
250 Race 3: J. Martin (8th first turn)
450 Race 1: M. Davalos (8th first turn)
450 Race 2: Z. Osborne (5th first turn)
450 Race 3: Z. Osborne (Holeshot)

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2/26/2020 9:04am
wsmille2 wrote:
This looks as if it was the gate left of the dog house (or first to the right when looking at pictures below) when looking to...
This looks as if it was the gate left of the dog house (or first to the right when looking at pictures below) when looking to the first turn.
The riders who started in this gate in Arlington are:
250 Race 1: J. Martin (4th first turn)
250 Race 2: J. Martin (16th first turn)
250 Race 3: J. Martin (8th first turn)
450 Race 1: M. Davalos (8th first turn)
450 Race 2: Z. Osborne (5th first turn)
450 Race 3: Z. Osborne (Holeshot)

Beat me to it.


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2/26/2020 9:06am
Pretty obvious, the person in that gate didn't want to make his gates rut deeper and deeper for a practice start on the site lap, so...
Pretty obvious, the person in that gate didn't want to make his gates rut deeper and deeper for a practice start on the site lap, so waited for the guys around him to go then did a start off the center line to still get the start in but not dig a deeper rut. No way a rider can do a race start off center, I know this because I once got a holeshot after the guy next to me had bike issues and pulled out and I was able to move out of the rut at the last second, I never got that opportunity again but always sized it up to try and find room if ever a gate rut was a little off center but no matter how much that deviated it wasn't enough room. You have about 5-7 inches between your grip and the guys grips next to you. its not enough room even if the ruts are and inch or 2 off normal.

With it being a triple crown and a rider having multiple starts I would imagine the rider got the same gate twice and it made sense to preserve the rut since there were more starts that actually mattered in the long run.

Also I've tried to start out of the rut and those AMA refs are on it, like I said I got away with it 1 time and that was because the guy next to me pulled out with 10 seconds on the card before going sideways, it happened just perfect 1 time between 05-12 (just realized it was at Arlington too) so between not having enough room to consistently get that opportunity and the fact it happened twice in one night I'd say that's pretty much what your looking at. Site lap start.
kkawboy14 wrote:
A rider can move over if it’s not a full gate can’t he? I thought they make you start in the middle if there are guys...
A rider can move over if it’s not a full gate can’t he?

I thought they make you start in the middle if there are guys on both sides of you.
No a rider has to line up in the rut, or center. You can't be off center of your gate because there's not enough room between...
No a rider has to line up in the rut, or center. You can't be off center of your gate because there's not enough room between you and the riders around you. Even if you start next to the box your inside grip is close enough to hit the box if you start like a begginer and mess it up big enough.

Really no one on that gate Saturday night tries to pull it off, you more then always have someone next to you and the AMA guys will spot it before the gate drops 99.9% of the time.


For the guy that says why does it matter, think about it like this. If your in the ktm 50 junior race and you have a 7 inch rut in front of you and the kid next to you is on a perfectly flat surface all the way out, who do you put your money on for that holeshot? Now think about who you see getting the holeshot each weekend and what you see is the guy who gets there elbow in front by even half an inch over the guys next to him wins the battle 100% of the time. Go watch what Adam did to Eli at San Diego, although he didn't get the holeshot he barged his elbow over Eli's and cans out of the first time 3rd while Eli was in 15th. All it took was that half an inch. That 7 inch deep rut is important. They say condition over position, in the days of dirt starts this was a huge advantage but still could be considered flirting with the rules since it's in the rule book mandatory to line up in the rut.

Last year at Anaheim futures it was still all dirt and I noticed outside had riders missing in a few of the races so I told a few riders to go out there and start in between and 3 strait holeshots happened and then the AMA guys told me to get out of there and knew what I was doing. Lmao.
I got 100 bucks on the kid riding the KTM.
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2/26/2020 9:15am
wsmille2 wrote:
This looks as if it was the gate left of the dog house (or first to the right when looking at pictures below) when looking to...
This looks as if it was the gate left of the dog house (or first to the right when looking at pictures below) when looking to the first turn.
The riders who started in this gate in Arlington are:
250 Race 1: J. Martin (4th first turn)
250 Race 2: J. Martin (16th first turn)
250 Race 3: J. Martin (8th first turn)
450 Race 1: M. Davalos (8th first turn)
450 Race 2: Z. Osborne (5th first turn)
450 Race 3: Z. Osborne (Holeshot)

rc4187 wrote:
Beat me to it. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/26/406846/s1200_02.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/26/406845/s1200_03.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/26/406844/s1200_o1.jpg[/img]
Beat me to it.


From what I can see, J. Martin appears to have lined up in the center each time. I think both M. Davalos and Z. Osborne may have lined up left/right of center. There is a clear picture of Davalos lining up to the right of center.

250 Race 1


250 Race 2


250 Race 3


450 Race 1


450 Race 2


450 Race 3






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2/26/2020 11:34am
Was it chads? He looks off to the side to me here..[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/26/406795/s1200_8BADEEE8_8C89_4BB1_9844_5B96CC1E3657.jpg[/img]
Was it chads? He looks off to the side to me here..
Looks like that pic is from the 2nd race. He seems to try to avoid the rut and falls back at it
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2/26/2020 11:39am
wsmille2 wrote:
From what I can see, J. Martin appears to have lined up in the center each time. I think both M. Davalos and Z. Osborne may...
From what I can see, J. Martin appears to have lined up in the center each time. I think both M. Davalos and Z. Osborne may have lined up left/right of center. There is a clear picture of Davalos lining up to the right of center.

250 Race 1


250 Race 2


250 Race 3


450 Race 1


450 Race 2


450 Race 3






True 3:41 mark, Osborne slides left and holseshots main 3

https://youtu.be/VUXIG7PFQCE
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OldTiddler
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2/27/2020 5:34am
What Jeff said--seems obvious it's likely from practice starts.

And, who gives a shit?
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keinz
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2/27/2020 10:16am
Mystery solved. Finally found that bastard at the local track







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2/28/2020 6:20am
Maybe someone is running two wheel drive! LOL.
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