Herlings wins 1st Moto, injured and out for the 2nd Moto

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agn5008 7/18/2021 6:44pm
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RalphS wrote:
No fault of Monticelli, he's racing not escorting Herlings.
Yeah, I hate threads like this. They’re so ducking stupid because nothing was intentional so who gives a crap. A racing incident happened and a rider got hurt. It sucks, but that’s the way it goes. Theres no reason to point fingers.
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Sully 7/18/2021 8:55pm
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SilverSpurs wrote:
STFU spoiler.

Another turd post.
aeffertz wrote:
“I haven’t watched the race yet but I’m going to check a moto news and discussion website and get mad when they report the race.” Big...
“I haven’t watched the race yet but I’m going to check a moto news and discussion website and get mad when they report the race.”

Big brain moment. The world doesn’t revolve around you mate.
SilverSpurs wrote:
I watched it live on MXGP TV dikhed. Others may not want the interest and excitement of something they're looking forward to partially destroyed a minute...
I watched it live on MXGP TV dikhed.

Others may not want the interest and excitement of something they're looking forward to partially destroyed a minute after the race has finished.
Don't get all pissy with aeffertz just because you stepped on your crank and got called out for it...
I didn't get to watch the second motos from Millville until last night (Japan time), so I stayed off Vital until I had the chance to see them.
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FlaNard 7/18/2021 8:59pm
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Sucks big time. When he’s been switched on over the course of his career he’s put in some absolutely legendary rides. But, like Bubba, it’s looking like the crashes and bad luck will dramatically reduce the number of wins/titles he’s going to end up with. Hopefully, it doesn’t shorten his career. His competition is only getting stronger while he has to keep rebuilding so it’s never going to get any easier for him.
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SilverSpurs 7/18/2021 9:35pm
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RalphS wrote:
No fault of Monticelli, he's racing not escorting Herlings.
Of course.

Herlings' bike preparation was the issue.

His fork lock failed so he was hampered.
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SilverSpurs 7/18/2021 9:35pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
That’s a bummer for Herlings, he can’t seem to catch a break. Don’t think you can really blame either guy though. If Monticelli checks up then...
That’s a bummer for Herlings, he can’t seem to catch a break. Don’t think you can really blame either guy though. If Monticelli checks up then he puts himself at risk of being landed on. No one ever said racing wasn’t dangerous.
Blame Herling's mechanic for not servicing and maintaining the start device that stuck.
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Joshracing 7/19/2021 1:55am
7/19/2021 1:55am
I know this ain't gonna be popular.... but why a holeshot device? What is the point? If everyone has it, there's no advantage. Let's delete them, show your skill, rather than this trick. Show bike control without the gimmick.
We've seen a few fail in past times, I remember Cairoli had it lock up mid-race... it just hooked up. He had to stop, lay the bike on the ground and kick it off. Ready for your abuse, go!
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mpy 7/19/2021 2:13am
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Joshracing wrote:
I know this ain't gonna be popular.... but why a holeshot device? What is the point? If everyone has it, there's no advantage. Let's delete them...
I know this ain't gonna be popular.... but why a holeshot device? What is the point? If everyone has it, there's no advantage. Let's delete them, show your skill, rather than this trick. Show bike control without the gimmick.
We've seen a few fail in past times, I remember Cairoli had it lock up mid-race... it just hooked up. He had to stop, lay the bike on the ground and kick it off. Ready for your abuse, go!
Agree, and not just because of this accident. Yeah, just get rid of them. And at the same time make it a ban on all devices that alter (automatically or not) the bike ride height.
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Joshracing 7/19/2021 2:26am
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Joshracing wrote:
I know this ain't gonna be popular.... but why a holeshot device? What is the point? If everyone has it, there's no advantage. Let's delete them...
I know this ain't gonna be popular.... but why a holeshot device? What is the point? If everyone has it, there's no advantage. Let's delete them, show your skill, rather than this trick. Show bike control without the gimmick.
We've seen a few fail in past times, I remember Cairoli had it lock up mid-race... it just hooked up. He had to stop, lay the bike on the ground and kick it off. Ready for your abuse, go!
mpy wrote:
Agree, and not just because of this accident. Yeah, just get rid of them. And at the same time make it a ban on all devices...
Agree, and not just because of this accident. Yeah, just get rid of them. And at the same time make it a ban on all devices that alter (automatically or not) the bike ride height.
Starting blocks for the vertically challenged.... agree, bikes are tall these days! But this little lock thing, if everyone is using it, there's no point. Just show your skills!!! Cut the crap!
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Freddy 7/19/2021 3:03am
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Judging by the video posted above Herlings jumped from left to right while Ivo also jumped from left but even further than anyone else. There was nothing Jeffrey couldve done different. To me it looked like he was Still following the race line while Ivo sent it.
Gutted for him, another year another injury while in the championship battle
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Joshracing 7/19/2021 3:56am
7/19/2021 3:56am
Hegz wrote:


Ivo's fault.
Not really..... Jeffry's start device was jammed, right to the point of the take off of this jump, he couldn't fully commit to this jump, so he's at 60% altitude... and come up short. Ivo is committed, and if you look at the lead-in to the jump, it's GNARLEY.... sure he's focused on his own control, and having Herlings in front of him, he's generally have no reason to think Jeffrey is going to be holding back! It's a terrible situation, for sure. Dump the start devices.... it's time. Level playing field, either way, just without to device, no jamming.
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jemcee 7/19/2021 4:06am
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Hegz wrote:


Ivo's fault.
How was Ivo to know Jeff wasn't jumping as far as he normally would? The earliest maaaybe would've been at 30secs but a half second later he's in the air.. Racing incident caused by Herlings' holeshot device malfunctioning
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Mr. Afterbar 7/19/2021 4:43am
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I didn’t take his post as blaming anyone. He simply described what happened and said it was out of his control.
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roninho 7/19/2021 4:51am
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Hegz wrote:


Ivo's fault.
Hmmm all imho but:

Looks like Monticelli jumps roughly the same length as Coldenhoffs & Febvre's jump. So it's not like he is overjumping, so cant blame him that he is overjumping when he is not.

Then you could say he should have seen that Herlings isnt making the jump and therefor he shouldnt have jumped as far as he did. But i wonder at what moment should he have been able to see that? Imo it's almost impossible to see that Herlings is having an issue. And that is when focusing on Herlings, while Monticelli will be looking at the track as well.

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Nairb#70 7/19/2021 5:17am
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My shoulder hurts from just watching that, but blaming Monti is just plain ridiculous.
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crusty_xx 7/19/2021 5:21am
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From Gajsers Gopro it looks like 100% Herlings' fault. Look how far ahead of Ivo he was by the time Ivo had to commit to how fast he would hit that jump. The top 3 were 3-4 bike lengths ahead

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tingo 7/19/2021 6:34am
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
I didn’t take his post as blaming anyone. He simply described what happened and said it was out of his control.
Herlings' original post (before he edited it) said "What was he thinking?" That sounds like blame to me.

Lines up for 450 moto. Claims he took zero risk. Pinch It's a dangerous sport. Racing incident.
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ZOBITO 7/19/2021 6:57am
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I wanted to see Herlings go after the title and don't give a f*** about Monticelli, so it's clearly his fault.
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KurtJ99 7/19/2021 7:50am
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If it weren’t for bad luck Herlings would have no luck at all. Breaks femur riding mini bike, weird crash last year damn near gets paralyzed, now this.

The newest video taken from the rear shows Coldenhoff jumping long, Febvre sorta average, Herlings short and then Monticelli long like Hoff.
Herlings had to feel the danger when he messed up the jump (due to start device or whatever) as the pack was launching behind him. If not Monticelli would have been another rider.

Herlings is unreal riding in pain like that.
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davistld01 7/19/2021 8:00am
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All the coulda, shoulda, or woulda BS aside...

DAMN, that was gnarly! Hope Herlings recoups quickly and can get on with his career. It shows how tough the guy is by gritting out a whole moto, at that level...with the pain of a broken shoulder blade!
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 7/19/2021 8:36am
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When I first see the crash I did think Monty was in the wrong but looking back, I now reckon it was six of one & half a dozen of another. Bad luck on Herlings part to get injured again & this time through no fault of his own. His ride back from 8 seconds down and injured was pure grit and determination. It was Herlings of old.
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NoShowNash 7/19/2021 9:24am
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ridge wrote:
Herlings posted the clip on his Facebook page but I don't know how to get it over to Vital. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/18/502065/s1200_Screenshot_20210718_071545_Facebook.jpg[/img] Herlings is blaming the guy for...
Herlings posted the clip on his Facebook page but I don't know how to get it over to Vital.



Herlings is blaming the guy for landing on him even though he jumped half as far as he should have. 🙄 It's crazy he still won the moto though.
Man I agree...I don't see this as anyone's fault period. This was a racing incident, Herlings is trying to project his past injuries/faults of his own onto someone else. He's done this to himself it's time to look in the mirror and take some of the responsibility !!
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Mr. Afterbar 7/19/2021 9:35am
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Holeshot devices should be banned. Everybody runs one so there is no advantage. Get rid of them and no more stuck holeshot devices.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 7/19/2021 11:18am
7/19/2021 11:18am
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Holeshot devices should be banned. Everybody runs one so there is no advantage. Get rid of them and no more stuck holeshot devices.
Agreed, they serve no purpose now. They was designed to have an advantage over the opposition, that advantage has now gone because everyone & wife use one.
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tek14 7/19/2021 12:15pm
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Monticelli ran over Coldenhoffs head in second start.. not greatest day for him.
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ZOBITO 7/19/2021 12:31pm
7/19/2021 12:31pm Edited Date/Time 7/19/2021 12:32pm
Still ugly.
Luckily, Monticelli doesn't let that bother him and is "happy with his riding".



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Motofinne 7/19/2021 12:56pm
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Herlings is a fucking animal. That is not a small crack.


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tek14 7/19/2021 1:38pm
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Herlings is a fucking animal. That is not a small crack. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/19/502179/s1200_herlings.jpg[/img]
Herlings is a fucking animal. That is not a small crack.


If he could dominate race 1 with that one... why to sit out now?
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