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Last time Eli raced (and wasn't holding back for championship points) he made the GP riders look like they were amateurs.
10 seconds back to 15 seconds up on the leader....
Pos Nr Rider Nat. Fed. Bike Time laps Diff. First Diff. Prev. Bestlaptime in lap Speed
1 3 Tomac, Eli USA AMA Kawasaki 34:58.974 15 0:00.000 0:00.000 2:08.662 7 48.1
2 222 Cairoli, Antonio ITA FMI KTM 35:15.005 15 0:16.031 0:16.031 2:11.180 8 47.2
3 243 Gajser, Tim SLO AMZS Honda 35:18.015 15 0:19.041 0:03.010 2:11.641 7 47
4 12 Nagl, Maximilian GER DMSB Husqvarna 35:24.634 15 0:25.660 0:06.619 2:12.475 7 46.7
I see Tomac better now than Herlings. But you should see it on the track.
And as soon as this healthy Roczen will be better than them again.
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Even if he did in the few events in his native Europe it would have to be considered Arenacross
But to doubt that he'd be successful at SX would be foolish as his predecessors Roczen and Musquin have both done extremely well at it
I don't understand why everyone thinks the pinnacle of this world wide sport is somehow located in this indoor series that's only run in one single country in the entire world.
Get back to me when Pasta/JH try a few seasons of SX. Sure went good for Gajser in his first attempt....
1) They'd likely have 2x more injuries
2) Their MX skills would NOT be as good as they are now.
Any discussion about Herlings in supercross is irrelevant and a waste of time since it doesn't matter nor will he ever compete in it. Mayyyybe a monster energy cup but I highly doubt it.
Because they know how prestigious it is. That’s why.
Several things do seem to be true though. And several things can be true at the same time.
1. Herlings makes a point and that point is this: When you have 2 greats battling each other in a series, it often raises their level of excellence. McGrath-Carmichael, Carmichael-Stewart, Villopoto-Townely, Villopoto-Dungey, Herlings-Cairoli, etc. If Roczen is able to recover enough, that could also be a pair of great ones (Tomac-Roczen) sharpening their skills against one another and raising the level.
2. Tomac beat Herlings and Cairoli in Florida last year in that first moto. End of story. No ifs, ands, or buts. He got a start and checked out, then did whatever he needed to do to. Anyone who tries to qualify his win should probably not be taken terribly seriously. This was in a race that had no significance for him, in a championship or points sense, in any way. It was the exact reverse of the Ironman race regarding championship circumstances held shortly before, and was held on a track none of them had raced on before.
3. Anyone who tries to diminish the supercross championship as a lesser championship because it is "indoors", or tries to equate the U.S. nationals to any other country's national championship, should probably not be taken terribly seriously. Likewise, anyone who tries to dismiss the GPs as a lesser championship because it does not include a supercross element, should probably not be taken terribly seriously. The North American (hybrid of SX and MX) and GP seriies (more outdoor races in more locations) both produce all-time great champions. It seems to me that what differentiates them is the level of commitment, desire, work ethic, and skill each individual brings to the table. We have seen Americans win the GPs and we have seen GP riders win SX and the Nationals. What is looks like to me is that the AMA side of the house kicked GP asses long enough that the GP riders finally got tired of it, and decided they could no longer drink, smoke, and act like training didn't matter. They finally upped their game and now we have two spheres of racing that while different, each produce excellence.
4. I disagree with those who say Herlings would not have been great at supercross. While that may be true, there is no evidence to show he would not have been, given the time and resources to sharpen his supercross game. Roczen did it. Musquin did it. Many others have done it. Yes, he might have gotten injured while trying. So did Villopoto, Roczen, etc. I think with his skills and desire, he probably would have adapted and become a force just like others have. This never happened and is unlikely to happen, but the argument that could never have happened is untrue in my opinion, and is one designed to be a slap at Herlings.
And this is one point about guys who ride MX only and those who ride SX and MX. The bikes/suspension are totally different. Most riders who have never raced on full SX suspension have no idea how still it is. Bike do not turn very well. Gasjer was said to be having a very hard time riding with it that stiff and that he ran it way too soft for the race which helped contribute to his crash.
There are no doubt how fast JH and AC are going right now, I’d love to see Tomac and KR in the mix. I think on any given day it would be a guess who would win.
But also consider the fact that the guys in the US only ride a small part of he year doing MX, which is a totally different animal not only tracks, style, but bike setup. Most of the year is racing SX and SX testing. These guys maybe ride/test MX for 4 months while SX is the other 8 months. So in reality the guys who race MX full time should be faster.
We’ve seen many GP riders/champions come over to the US blazing speed in their first race, only to get slower settle into the pace outdoors after having to ride both SX and MX.
Both series are fun to watch, both have great riders. Let’s stop comparing them. But for those who keep on saying it’s just a “national series”, then please explain why so many GP riders and champions come here, and then do not win titles, except a select few.
other than that.... i'm just showing how skewed it is when you use results from one-off races
here is Gajser beating Tomac at the 2017 Monster Cup..... ta-daaaa
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HE"S NOT THE FASTEST ALL ROUND RIDER ON THE PLANET. Have to come here to earn that.
Also if someone should be crowned "best all round rider", surely they'll need to win a few off-road championships too right?
The only thing supercross determines is who is the best supercross rider, that's it.
They can`t get over the fact that time is changing and a lot of guys staying in GP`s and making good money. It used to be that you could make 10x more in USA. Now it`s not.
And you are so wrong about Supercross. The main thing it determines is, How much time you can train for MX !
That's a massive disadvantage, and if the guys here TRAINED ALL YEAR FOR 1 DISCIPLINE, I think things would be entirely different. Also just being able to make it through a season of supercross to line up for a MX race is phenomenal achievement. There's a reason why these guys don't come here and throw their hats into the ring. They know Supercross will chew them up and spit them out, all the way back to Europe. It take a very special talent like a KR, to even come close. Can't say I blame them. And Herlings drinks more of his own cool aid than anyone I've ever seen.
The fastest overall MX/SX/Enduro/GNCC/Superbike rider
Closely followed by mike brown and kornel nemeth
Get back to me when Tomac tried a few seasons of hard enduro and monster trucks
The 88,92,96,97,98,99,00,04,06,08,09,10 and 11 MX2 title holders came to the states as well as the runner up from 05 and 08. Plus MX2 race winners in Tonus and Dylan.
The 89,93,94 and 98 MXGP world champs came to the states. DV won races then came.
That's quite a few champs in my book for a fairly short amount of time and I know I left out some race winners as well.
Sure seemed like you had to win a MXGP title to come to the states and then after Seb it sure seemed like they wanted em after a MX2 title and now they will grab em as long as they have won a race it seems.
It's not like SX is a completely different sport. It's beneficial on many parts of an MX track (technique, jumps, intensity, close battles)
In exchange the euros have to train deep sand for several months.
You can't say "ok but if tomac trained in the sand for 3 months a year he wouldn't be that good on other tracks"
Or "If tomac stayed off the bike for 2 months in the winter he wouldn't be as fast" - the euros can't practice on the bike during the winter months because of the weather.
Complete BS bro
The only thing that the Americans might be lacking a little is bike setup, because they don't have that much time to prepare for outdoors. But since they ride the exact same tracks every single year, they can use data from last years if the bike wasn't changed drastically
That being said, Tomac will most likely beat Herlings in October
Also as Kongols pointed out, back then you would make tenfold the money in America. It's not like that anymore
Who cares about str8 rhythm or monster cup
That would be awesome, all classes rough as feck! Hardcore Mx showdown....
Redbull send me the request for payment details for the idea!
Lierop would be even better if possible
if people still think there is anyone faster around those sand tracks , youre missing some braincells
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