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I just watched everyone's lap time every lap and as the laps kept going the times got higher and higher. Reed and Stewart at lap 15, 16, 17, 18, so on get faster and faster. THATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!
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txmxer 2/13/2010 10:24pm
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no they don't.
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i'd be willing to say that Chad and James are definitely more consistent with their laps...
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whether it's MX or SX, they all drop a second or two as the race wears on.

Happened when RC was racing and it happens with James, Chad, Villo, or anyone else.

James and RC might be a little less drop off, but, they still get slower as the race goes on.
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Wandell 2/13/2010 10:32pm
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And I'm not so sure their lap times are going down as much as the track is changing.

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837wills 2/13/2010 10:32pm
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txmxer wrote:
whether it's MX or SX, they all drop a second or two as the race wears on. Happened when RC was racing and it happens with...
whether it's MX or SX, they all drop a second or two as the race wears on.

Happened when RC was racing and it happens with James, Chad, Villo, or anyone else.

James and RC might be a little less drop off, but, they still get slower as the race goes on.
Really? pull up some lap times from last season chad and james fastest laps of the race were 16 or 17.
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jeffro503 2/13/2010 10:39pm
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It depends really on how hard they are pushing it as well. If you are 8 seconds out front.....you can calm down a bit and just ride smooth. To may variables here.
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jmar 2/13/2010 10:40pm
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Who is this James and Chad that you are referring to?Wink
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andymoto 2/13/2010 10:48pm
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Villapoto would've kept his 59 sec fast lap more than once if track didn't deteriorate during the main..
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dunn2500 2/13/2010 11:51pm
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cant believe no one has said it yet..............the reason times drop late in the race...........think about it for a sec and get back to me............what changes besides the track later in the race?
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A3 2009 A3 2010
CR JS RV
FL 59.479 59.660 59.671
SL 104.882 107.396 103.521

17 102.529 101.954 102.474
18 103.144 107.396 103.518
19 103.265 104.774 102.884
20 104.398 105.959 103.521

AVE 101.803 102.171 101.638

Don't think your theory holds much water.
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fcr 2/14/2010 12:21am
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Hey Uncle of 2, your nephew looked great. I still think he has more in him also.
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Uncleof2 2/14/2010 12:45am
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fcr wrote:
Hey Uncle of 2, your nephew looked great. I still think he has more in him also.
I agree, it depends how deep he wants to reach. I think he is going in the right direction,
but he still has some work to do. We will all get to see the progress and it should make
for a great supercross season.
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Uncleof2 wrote:
A3 2009 A3 2010 CR JS RV FL 59.479 59.660 59.671 SL 104.882 107.396 103.521 17 102.529 101.954 102.474 18 103.144 107.396 103.518 19 103.265 104.774...
A3 2009 A3 2010
CR JS RV
FL 59.479 59.660 59.671
SL 104.882 107.396 103.521

17 102.529 101.954 102.474
18 103.144 107.396 103.518
19 103.265 104.774 102.884
20 104.398 105.959 103.521

AVE 101.803 102.171 101.638

Don't think your theory holds much water.
Why do you always insist on distorting all these theories with fact. You should know facts don't hold water in these parts.Huh
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txmxer wrote:
whether it's MX or SX, they all drop a second or two as the race wears on. Happened when RC was racing and it happens with...
whether it's MX or SX, they all drop a second or two as the race wears on.

Happened when RC was racing and it happens with James, Chad, Villo, or anyone else.

James and RC might be a little less drop off, but, they still get slower as the race goes on.
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Really? pull up some lap times from last season chad and james fastest laps of the race were 16 or 17.
People have said that for years. Especially about Larocco and RC. I checked. It wasn't true. You might find a race where it happened, but in general, it does not.

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RMZ819 2/14/2010 6:07am
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What makes the series great is none of these riders can dice through the pack if they can get a bad start. There is not a dominate rider on the track. Hill may win this title without winning a race.

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He does have a point.

In many cases, CR and JS and RC etc before them, did in fact run faster laps towards the end, but like someone said, it's all relevant and dependent on who else is in the battle with them, track conditions, lappers etc.
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TerryK wrote:
He does have a point. In many cases, CR and JS and RC etc before them, did in fact run faster laps towards the end, but...
He does have a point.

In many cases, CR and JS and RC etc before them, did in fact run faster laps towards the end, but like someone said, it's all relevant and dependent on who else is in the battle with them, track conditions, lappers etc.
not sure what you are saying. Nobody runs their fastest lap on lap 15 or later.

Feel free to go back to any year you want and any racer you want. It doesn't happen.

The top guys run faster at the front and are out front with a big gap by lap 10 typically. If they are coming through the pack, they can't run faster laps. If they have a lead, they don't hang it out.

It just does not happen. Anaheim 1 was as close to that as anything and James ran his fastest lap on lap 7 and Dungey on lap 10.

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loftyair 2/14/2010 7:45am
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I remember a couple times RC would throw down his fastest lap on the last lap of an outdoor.
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txmxer 2/14/2010 8:34am
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loftyair wrote:
I remember a couple times RC would throw down his fastest lap on the last lap of an outdoor.
you'd have to show me. I've never seen it.

Most of the time, he was rolling around and waving at people. I'll admit I'm wrong if you can show me one race where someone won the race and had their fastest lap after the 20 min. mark in MX or lap 15 in SX.
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mccread 2/14/2010 8:40am
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Phillipearts did the fastest lap of the Des Nations on the last lap of the 2nd moto.

It can happen when it's needed but it depends on the situation, track conditions etc
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loftyair 2/14/2010 8:47am
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loftyair wrote:
I remember a couple times RC would throw down his fastest lap on the last lap of an outdoor.
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you'd have to show me. I've never seen it. Most of the time, he was rolling around and waving at people. I'll admit I'm wrong if...
you'd have to show me. I've never seen it.

Most of the time, he was rolling around and waving at people. I'll admit I'm wrong if you can show me one race where someone won the race and had their fastest lap after the 20 min. mark in MX or lap 15 in SX.
I dont have archives, but if you watched and listened, you would of heard whoever the tv announcer was at the time, Emig?, say, "carmichael just put in his fastest lap, and it was the last lap! With over 100 outdoor wins, it would take a while to find, but I know for a fact it happened more than once for him.
Blackopsrider7 2/14/2010 7:21pm
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Stating the obvious here, lots of things change as the race goes on. Suspensions heat up, don't offer the same damping, the track detoriates(testament to the racers for keeping the pace going after the fact), the riders' conditioning plays a huge role, brain fade. Those folks(including the 20th place guy), are awesome to be consistent up to within a second let alone a tenth of one!!! We can sit in our living rooms and bench race all we like, for goodness sakes,some of us can't keep focus for that long sitting on the couch!!
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TerryK wrote:
He does have a point. In many cases, CR and JS and RC etc before them, did in fact run faster laps towards the end, but...
He does have a point.

In many cases, CR and JS and RC etc before them, did in fact run faster laps towards the end, but like someone said, it's all relevant and dependent on who else is in the battle with them, track conditions, lappers etc.
txmxer wrote:
not sure what you are saying. Nobody runs their fastest lap on lap 15 or later. Feel free to go back to any year you want...
not sure what you are saying. Nobody runs their fastest lap on lap 15 or later.

Feel free to go back to any year you want and any racer you want. It doesn't happen.

The top guys run faster at the front and are out front with a big gap by lap 10 typically. If they are coming through the pack, they can't run faster laps. If they have a lead, they don't hang it out.

It just does not happen. Anaheim 1 was as close to that as anything and James ran his fastest lap on lap 7 and Dungey on lap 10.

pretty sure RD ran his fastest at A2 on lap 16 scary stuff- right there!
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RMZ819 wrote:
What makes the series great is none of these riders can dice through the pack if they can get a bad start. There is not a...
What makes the series great is none of these riders can dice through the pack if they can get a bad start. There is not a dominate rider on the track. Hill may win this title without winning a race.

Like in San Diego when RV2 and RD5 went down in the first corner and RD5 took off in about 18th and RV2 was in dead last 20th and they ended the race in 6th and 4th. There fast laps were in lap 12 and 14 as they diced through the pack. Or do you mean like when Stewart crashed at Daytona and was dead last and got up to 7th. It doesn't seem
to be much different. Hill can't win the title without winning a race, end of story. What makes this series great is through 6 races we have had 4 different winners and a points race that is only 3 points between 3 riders.

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