Heartbreak for Romain Febvre at Afyon

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9/2/2018 12:51pm
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Febvre confirmed a broken rib and a concussion on his Instagram. He is basically ruining his career at this rate. All these concussions are dragging him...
Febvre confirmed a broken rib and a concussion on his Instagram.

He is basically ruining his career at this rate. All these concussions are dragging him down and it will eventually result in retirement. Whether the helmet he is wearing is a reason to this is impossible to stamp from the outside, but it is not helping him when there is obviously way better and more advanced alternatives out there.
themrtoad wrote:
I think it was a broken rib, but the injury to his head is what is worrying of course. 3rd in a few years...could be a...
I think it was a broken rib, but the injury to his head is what is worrying of course. 3rd in a few years...could be a career ender
Thanks for pointing that out! I don't know how i mixed things up like that, it's been a long day i guess...

But yes. The concussion is worrying.
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9/2/2018 12:57pm
I hope he takes the time to heal properly in regards to the concussion first and foremost. Second I hope Marvin tell France to fuck off. He seems like too nice a guy though to do that
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DonM wrote:
20??? Where did you get that number from?
MXMattii wrote:
I guess if we would work together to make a list from race crashes where he was almost knocked out and was totally out, combined with...
I guess if we would work together to make a list from race crashes where he was almost knocked out and was totally out, combined with with the official PR concussions we would go towards that number or even higher.

https://youtu.be/KaxMsW4oVUA?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/87s5FuV9dgU?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/rYExgUrzfLw?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/AC7DnU3IRQ8?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/hUGVEyK3pjc?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/ubOq__rI93Y?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/EvLSHZ_95iE?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/VQCCEOT2VPM?rel=0&showinfo=0
https://youtu.be/5VYnFs8YPDA?rel=0&showinfo=0
5 minutes of youtube searches and look at all those hits to his head.

Also look what that last concussion did with him... Getting late in rhythm sections, just being off big time.
https://youtu.be/BbQCLPpUyEA?rel=0&showinfo=0
He's had more then 20 over his career. And then factor in all the micro concussions. Or just the brain taking a beating and you never really think about. It's just like in football. It's not necessarily the concussion knockout to be worried about but the repeated bashing your head over time.
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9/2/2018 3:53pm Edited Date/Time 9/2/2018 5:24pm
#434 wrote:
Good stuff tends to cost money.. But for real, KYT is not on the same level with the top brands. It‘s a entry level to midfield...
Good stuff tends to cost money..
But for real, KYT is not on the same level with the top brands. It‘s a entry level to midfield helmet like o‘neal.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are still no safer at preventing a concussion than a cheaper KYT helmet. The interior shells are nearly identical and made of the same foam material. I’ve had this very discussion with an Arai executive. Their helmets do exceed helmet standards but helmet testing standards test things other than concussive impact and they are no better at preventing a concussion. No helmet on the planet can prevent a concussion. To suggest otherwise is ignoring very well understood science, but carry on with your willful ignorance. You simply don’t understand how concussions occur, which is par for the course in this sport.

You don't need to take my word for it. Why don't you read something for once? https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/helmets-concussion.html

https://www.popsci.com/helmets-concussions-football

https://concussion.weillcornell.org/does-helmet-protect-me-against-conc…
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everytime someone crashes and gets up fine the helmet prevented a concusssion, just wanna throw that out there for you
9/2/2018 6:10pm
MotoMo165 wrote:
everytime someone crashes and gets up fine the helmet prevented a concusssion, just wanna throw that out there for you
If you're trolling, that's pretty funny. If not, it's alarmingly stupid.
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#434 wrote:
Good stuff tends to cost money.. But for real, KYT is not on the same level with the top brands. It‘s a entry level to midfield...
Good stuff tends to cost money..
But for real, KYT is not on the same level with the top brands. It‘s a entry level to midfield helmet like o‘neal.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are...
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are still no safer at preventing a concussion than a cheaper KYT helmet. The interior shells are nearly identical and made of the same foam material. I’ve had this very discussion with an Arai executive. Their helmets do exceed helmet standards but helmet testing standards test things other than concussive impact and they are no better at preventing a concussion. No helmet on the planet can prevent a concussion. To suggest otherwise is ignoring very well understood science, but carry on with your willful ignorance. You simply don’t understand how concussions occur, which is par for the course in this sport.

You don't need to take my word for it. Why don't you read something for once? https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/helmets-concussion.html

https://www.popsci.com/helmets-concussions-football

https://concussion.weillcornell.org/does-helmet-protect-me-against-conc…
What hurts the brain is accelaration. A carefully designed and made helmet can reduce the speed between your head and the ground with the lowest accelaration possible and therefore reduced the risk of a conccussion. EPS can be made in a wide range of densities (Astars, Arai, 6D, Bell all use different EPSs in different areas of the helmet) and is not just the 'same foam'. And yes, I also believe that Mr. Arai knows more about that than some indonesian company which slaps together some fiberglass and EPS with some cool graphics on it..

You can't be serious with the very scientific links you posted? But hey, whatever let's you (and your probably pretty cheap ass helmet) sleep at night.
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MotoMo165 wrote:
everytime someone crashes and gets up fine the helmet prevented a concusssion, just wanna throw that out there for you
If you're trolling, that's pretty funny. If not, it's alarmingly stupid.
So if you wrecked without a helmet on, banging your head, then you wouldn’t get a concussion?
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are...
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are still no safer at preventing a concussion than a cheaper KYT helmet. The interior shells are nearly identical and made of the same foam material. I’ve had this very discussion with an Arai executive. Their helmets do exceed helmet standards but helmet testing standards test things other than concussive impact and they are no better at preventing a concussion. No helmet on the planet can prevent a concussion. To suggest otherwise is ignoring very well understood science, but carry on with your willful ignorance. You simply don’t understand how concussions occur, which is par for the course in this sport.

You don't need to take my word for it. Why don't you read something for once? https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/helmets-concussion.html

https://www.popsci.com/helmets-concussions-football

https://concussion.weillcornell.org/does-helmet-protect-me-against-conc…
I could list 10 links from "scientific" sites that say the opposite...
Scientists have proven that people will believe everything when they claim that scientists have proven it

But you can try it. Hit your head against the wall with a helmet on. And then without a helmet on.
The helmet dissipates the force as it applies it to a larger area of your head. And it slows down the impact.
Let us know the results Wink
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9/3/2018 8:01am
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are...
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are still no safer at preventing a concussion than a cheaper KYT helmet. The interior shells are nearly identical and made of the same foam material. I’ve had this very discussion with an Arai executive. Their helmets do exceed helmet standards but helmet testing standards test things other than concussive impact and they are no better at preventing a concussion. No helmet on the planet can prevent a concussion. To suggest otherwise is ignoring very well understood science, but carry on with your willful ignorance. You simply don’t understand how concussions occur, which is par for the course in this sport.

You don't need to take my word for it. Why don't you read something for once? https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/helmets-concussion.html

https://www.popsci.com/helmets-concussions-football

https://concussion.weillcornell.org/does-helmet-protect-me-against-conc…
crusty_xx wrote:
I could list 10 links from "scientific" sites that say the opposite... Scientists have proven that people will believe everything when they claim that scientists have...
I could list 10 links from "scientific" sites that say the opposite...
Scientists have proven that people will believe everything when they claim that scientists have proven it

But you can try it. Hit your head against the wall with a helmet on. And then without a helmet on.
The helmet dissipates the force as it applies it to a larger area of your head. And it slows down the impact.
Let us know the results Wink
I went on a tour of the Snell testing facility in Sacramento a few years ago. I was talking one on one with the main guy in charge of testing. He obviously couldn't say much in the way of details about the results but did allude to some of the best results coming from lower priced helmets, and some of the worst coming from the top. Snell is not the most scientific company to ever test helmets, I think they test some very basic actions but I thought it was interesting that just because it's the most expensive it's not always the best.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are...
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The only reason Arai helmets are more expensive than KYT is because they are hand made. They are still no safer at preventing a concussion than a cheaper KYT helmet. The interior shells are nearly identical and made of the same foam material. I’ve had this very discussion with an Arai executive. Their helmets do exceed helmet standards but helmet testing standards test things other than concussive impact and they are no better at preventing a concussion. No helmet on the planet can prevent a concussion. To suggest otherwise is ignoring very well understood science, but carry on with your willful ignorance. You simply don’t understand how concussions occur, which is par for the course in this sport.

You don't need to take my word for it. Why don't you read something for once? https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/helmets-concussion.html

https://www.popsci.com/helmets-concussions-football

https://concussion.weillcornell.org/does-helmet-protect-me-against-conc…
crusty_xx wrote:
I could list 10 links from "scientific" sites that say the opposite... Scientists have proven that people will believe everything when they claim that scientists have...
I could list 10 links from "scientific" sites that say the opposite...
Scientists have proven that people will believe everything when they claim that scientists have proven it

But you can try it. Hit your head against the wall with a helmet on. And then without a helmet on.
The helmet dissipates the force as it applies it to a larger area of your head. And it slows down the impact.
Let us know the results Wink
RandyS wrote:
I went on a tour of the Snell testing facility in Sacramento a few years ago. I was talking one on one with the main guy...
I went on a tour of the Snell testing facility in Sacramento a few years ago. I was talking one on one with the main guy in charge of testing. He obviously couldn't say much in the way of details about the results but did allude to some of the best results coming from lower priced helmets, and some of the worst coming from the top. Snell is not the most scientific company to ever test helmets, I think they test some very basic actions but I thought it was interesting that just because it's the most expensive it's not always the best.
Lets keep in mind that almost all serious actors on the MX helmet market are moving away from Snell. I would personally never buy a Snell rated helmet for MX.
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9/3/2018 9:30am
MotoMo165 wrote:
So if you wrecked without a helmet on, banging your head, then you wouldn’t get a concussion?
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving inside the skull. You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact. You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from ripping the scalp off your head and bleeding to death.

Any way, point is, expensive and cheap helmets offer the same level of protection against a concussion, which is very little. Try not to bang your head.
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9/4/2018 1:27am
A helmet will indeed influence a concussion out come as it will influence the peak acceleration - especially when compared to no helmet. However they are not designed to do this either at all or well. And at lower speed impacts not resulting in a lose of conciousness may do very little.
But there are no standards to meet or measure this performance of rate of acceleration. So no drive or obligation to make it happen. This is a great oversight in my view.

It is also foolish to think expensive helmets are better. A lot of money goes into reducing weight, improving ventilation, fit, comfort and and styling. All good things in their own right.

I think it is crazy to claim the cheap helmet is bad or good for concussions.
9/4/2018 1:51am
MotoMo165 wrote:
So if you wrecked without a helmet on, banging your head, then you wouldn’t get a concussion?
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving...
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving inside the skull. You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact. You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from ripping the scalp off your head and bleeding to death.

Any way, point is, expensive and cheap helmets offer the same level of protection against a concussion, which is very little. Try not to bang your head.
You just proved that you do not indeed know what you are talking about. Might as well use a WW2 army helmet in your case. It's not the fall that causes the damage, it's the sudden stop at the end.
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9/4/2018 1:56am
MotoMo165 wrote:
So if you wrecked without a helmet on, banging your head, then you wouldn’t get a concussion?
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving...
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving inside the skull. You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact. You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from ripping the scalp off your head and bleeding to death.

Any way, point is, expensive and cheap helmets offer the same level of protection against a concussion, which is very little. Try not to bang your head.
You just proved that you do not indeed know what you are talking about. Might as well use a WW2 army helmet in your case. It's...
You just proved that you do not indeed know what you are talking about. Might as well use a WW2 army helmet in your case. It's not the fall that causes the damage, it's the sudden stop at the end.
"You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact."
Yes you can.
"You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from ripping the scalp off your head and bleeding to death."
I nearly bled to death from the inside. And there wasn't a mark on my head.
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If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving...
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving inside the skull. You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact. You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from ripping the scalp off your head and bleeding to death.

Any way, point is, expensive and cheap helmets offer the same level of protection against a concussion, which is very little. Try not to bang your head.
You just proved that you do not indeed know what you are talking about. Might as well use a WW2 army helmet in your case. It's...
You just proved that you do not indeed know what you are talking about. Might as well use a WW2 army helmet in your case. It's not the fall that causes the damage, it's the sudden stop at the end.
"You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact." Yes you can. "You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from...
"You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact."
Yes you can.
"You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from ripping the scalp off your head and bleeding to death."
I nearly bled to death from the inside. And there wasn't a mark on my head.
Same here. Had internal bleeding without a scratch on my head. The physician explain it to me how it happened: the strong acceleration of the head and the slight difference in density between the grey and the white matter of the brain caused the rupturing of small blood vessels. So no "brain banging into the hard bone" as described in Macbeth's very scientific article.
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9/4/2018 5:54am
At those Pro speeds, it doesn’t matter what helmet you are wearing when you thump the ground that hard. Your brain is gonna smack the inside of your skull
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9/4/2018 6:09am Edited Date/Time 9/4/2018 6:10am
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving...
If you wrecked without a helmet on and banged your head, the chances of a skull fracture are significantly high. Concussions occur from the brain moving inside the skull. You cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull upon an impact. You can only protect the skull from fracturing, or from ripping the scalp off your head and bleeding to death.

Any way, point is, expensive and cheap helmets offer the same level of protection against a concussion, which is very little. Try not to bang your head.
wrong again.

its to slow the brain down beforw hitting your skull..
less impact less damage..

with the amount of nonsense coming from you, im calling paid cbt..

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