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7/10/2019 10:11 AM

"TWO-STROKE ROADRACE BIKES ARE BACK!
KTM launched a very important race bike at Sachsenring. The RC4R will be used in a new road-to-MotoGP series – the Northern Talent Cup – and is important because it’s so basic.

The RC4R essentially uses a KTM 250 SX-F motocross engine, frame and swingarm. The engine is four-stroke but KTM is planning two-stroke versions. The idea is to drive down the cost of getting into racing, both for aspiring world champions and for those who simply want to race at club level.

“We need to make cheaper race bikes,” said KTM motor sport director Pit Beirer. “We want to try putting two-stroke engines in this chassis, because for sure they are cheaper to run. This is not only for riders who are trying to make it to the top, it’s also riders who race for fun. “We want to reignite this part of the sport.”

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/vi-ales-ascent-rossi-s-descent-more-motogp-german-grand-prix

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7/10/2019 10:13 AM

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

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7/10/2019 10:14 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

They also come 140% better equipped

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7/10/2019 10:21 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

yz133rider wrote:

They also come 140% better equipped

How so? .

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7/10/2019 10:24 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

yz133rider wrote:

They also come 140% better equipped

fourfourone wrote:

How so? .

For one, the brakes are 140% better laughing

This is sick, I want one!!

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7/10/2019 10:25 AM
Edited Date/Time: 7/10/2019 10:26 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

Husky $9999
KTM $9899
Honda $9299
Kawasaki $9299
Yamaha $9299
Suzuki $8949

The difference between $9999 and $8949 is 11.083%.....Not quite 20% there big guy.

The difference between $9999 and $9299 is 7.2546%....

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7/10/2019 10:25 AM

yz133rider wrote:

They also come 140% better equipped

fourfourone wrote:

How so? .

seth505 wrote:

For one, the brakes are 140% better laughing

This is sick, I want one!!

I was trying to relate to their mx bikes

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7/10/2019 10:28 AM
Edited Date/Time: 7/10/2019 10:30 AM

from reliable source i got info that it will cost 20 000 Euro-dough and it is 3-4 seconds on a lap slower than a RC250 basic Moto3 bike - not speaking about those World Champ spec. Moto3 bikes. If you opt in to compete in NTC with this bike you will get 50% discount (Dorna pays 50% of the prize for 100% of your soul)

You can choke your flute over this "news" but KTM already made RC390 (or whatever was it called) that was already eligible racing WorldSSP300 class that run by World SBK class.

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7/10/2019 10:34 AM

yz133rider wrote:

They also come 140% better equipped

fourfourone wrote:

How so? .

seth505 wrote:

For one, the brakes are 140% better laughing

This is sick, I want one!!

That bike is great, I like the attitude toward cheaper race bikes as it lets more people into the sport.
With the 300cc off-road engine in the TX or XC, that bike would be a lot of fun!


On fourfourone's point: "How so?" I think it's crazy that people think KTM/Husky comes better equipped.


The brakes are better, but I'll give up the better brakes for good suspension every single time.
KTM (WP) forks are 140% worse.

An upgrade oversized rotor kit is under $200.
Aftermarket forks or spring/damper inserts are over $1500.

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7/10/2019 10:40 AM

Wish all the manufactuers would catch on and apply this to motocross and dirtbikes in general.

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7/10/2019 10:40 AM
Edited Date/Time: 7/10/2019 10:48 AM

A chain that lasts instead of the shitastic chains japs use, odi grips stock instead of terrible grips japs use, steel braided brake lines stock, hydro clutch, lightest in class, high end engine internals stock, best brakes in class, aluminum throttle housing stock, hr meter built into clamps stock, top of the class in each class right there engine handling etc, a clutch that lasts and doesnt need any upgrades stock.

Tons of pluses to them.

An oversized rotor kit on a jap bike still wont be in the same ball park brakes wise as a ktm.

How much titanium will it take a crf250r to weigh even what a ktm 450 weighs let alone a ktm 250... Alot more than the cost of a revalve lol.

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7/10/2019 10:58 AM

yz133rider wrote:

A chain that lasts instead of the shitastic chains japs use, odi grips stock instead of terrible grips japs use, steel braided ...more

Have you ever owned a KTM? I have. The chain was no better then my yz450f stock. grips are close in quality. Brakes are better yes. Hydro clutch is more of a preference then an upgrade. I like how a cable clutch feels. Not sure what you mean by high end engine internals compared to other brands. I don't need an hour meter its built into the ECU,

You act like they are leaps and bounds better but in all reality its not that much better.

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7/10/2019 10:59 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

BobPA wrote:

Husky $9999
KTM $9899
Honda $9299
Kawasaki $9299
Yamaha $9299
Suzuki $8949

The difference between $9999 and $8949 is ...more

You have husky and KTM mixed up tongue

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7/10/2019 11:03 AM
Edited Date/Time: 7/10/2019 11:05 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

BobPA wrote:

Husky $9999
KTM $9899
Honda $9299
Kawasaki $9299
Yamaha $9299
Suzuki $8949

The difference between $9999 and $8949 is ...more

Also right now the 19 jap bikes have a much better discount then the KTMs You can easily get one 2-3k cheaper then the same model KTM. I am not hating on KTM/Husky. I might hop on a new husky 450 when the time comes.

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7/10/2019 11:08 AM

All bikes are good

I like that a manufacturer is flexible in its product line and is addressing the cost of entry level racing with serious objectives.

Plus, two strokes RR bikes sound wonderful, even singles. If the closest thing you've heard to a two stroke road racer is your buds banshee, you've missed something.

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7/10/2019 11:10 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

What cheaper race bikes do the Japanese offer to this? A Honda NSF is like 30 grand.

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7/10/2019 11:10 AM

I think the biggest takeaway from this is that the OEM's are starting to realize that they are pricing crucial people out of the sport(s) and are finally taking steps to correct the issue of overpriced entry level bikes. I really hope this bike is as successful as they want it to be and I would love to see some more people brought into all avenues of two-wheel racing.

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7/10/2019 11:11 AM

yz133rider wrote:

A chain that lasts instead of the shitastic chains japs use, odi grips stock instead of terrible grips japs use, steel braided ...more

fourfourone wrote:

Have you ever owned a KTM? I have. The chain was no better then my yz450f stock. grips are close in quality. Brakes are better ...more

People see what they want to see.

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7/10/2019 11:19 AM

Cool.... i guess... but seriously, why not race supermoto? Why not make supermoto a feeder class? Is a dirtbike with clip on handlebars really necessary to bring people into racing? And how can there be a racing class when theres 1 brand in it?

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7/10/2019 11:22 AM

yz133rider wrote:

A chain that lasts instead of the shitastic chains japs use, odi grips stock instead of terrible grips japs use, steel braided ...more

fourfourone wrote:

Have you ever owned a KTM? I have. The chain was no better then my yz450f stock. grips are close in quality. Brakes are better ...more

No, MY dad’s stronger than YOUR dad! 🤓

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7/10/2019 11:22 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

yz133rider wrote:

They also come 140% better equipped

And a lot lighter.

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7/10/2019 11:26 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

yz133rider wrote:

They also come 140% better equipped

Thor34103 wrote:

And a lot lighter.

and the frames snap

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7/10/2019 11:29 AM

I hope the KTM/HUSKY group applies that principal to pricing of the E50 model. It's the perfect opportunity.

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7/10/2019 11:36 AM

fourfourone wrote:

How so? .

seth505 wrote:

For one, the brakes are 140% better laughing

This is sick, I want one!!

cwtoyota wrote:

That bike is great, I like the attitude toward cheaper race bikes as it lets more people into the sport.
With the 300cc ...more

My wp forks on my 18 250fc is miles better than the forks on my crf450 -16

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7/10/2019 11:58 AM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

BobPA wrote:

Husky $9999
KTM $9899
Honda $9299
Kawasaki $9299
Yamaha $9299
Suzuki $8949

The difference between $9999 and $8949 is ...more

math? What’s math? So much easier to just toss out random numbers and hope people believe you without checking facts

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7/10/2019 12:22 PM

yz133rider wrote:

A chain that lasts instead of the shitastic chains japs use, odi grips stock instead of terrible grips japs use, steel braided ...more

They should also supply them KTM's with a big bottle of loctite. Because half of the bike either falls off or ends up getting loose.

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7/10/2019 12:44 PM

yz133rider wrote:

A chain that lasts instead of the shitastic chains japs use, odi grips stock instead of terrible grips japs use, steel braided ...more

wideopen198 wrote:

They should also supply them KTM's with a big bottle of loctite. Because half of the bike either falls off or ends up getting ...more

I put 60hrs on a husky 350 only abnormal issue was one broken rear brake return spring.

My 18 rmz450 after maybe 20 hrs the steering stem worked its way loose. Not the top nut but the one under the top clamp. Bizaare.

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7/10/2019 1:03 PM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

BobPA wrote:

Husky $9999
KTM $9899
Honda $9299
Kawasaki $9299
Yamaha $9299
Suzuki $8949

The difference between $9999 and $8949 is ...more

For arguments sake, is anyone actually paying MSRP for an RMZ or KX?

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7/10/2019 1:24 PM

If they want to lower the cost of racing, they need to subsidize the cost of tires and race entries. The cost of the bike is not what holds people back, track time and tires are the big expense in roadracing.

I don’t want to add to the Japanese or KTM/Husky hate fest that is building here but most KTM owners usually drop another $5k + after purchase on new bars, chains, gearing, wheel sets, tires, graphics and new suspension. Nothing wrong with that and I hope they keep doing it for the industries sake but the fact that KTM’s come with some high end parts is kind of irrelevant.

Did anyone ever turn even a tenth faster laptime due to grips or an aluminum throttle tube? The marketing guys did their job.

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7/10/2019 1:38 PM

fourfourone wrote:

they say they need to make cheaper race bikes but their race bikes are 20% more expensive then the Japanese competitors

BobPA wrote:

Husky $9999
KTM $9899
Honda $9299
Kawasaki $9299
Yamaha $9299
Suzuki $8949

The difference between $9999 and $8949 is ...more

mattyhamz2 wrote:

For arguments sake, is anyone actually paying MSRP for an RMZ or KX?

No one is paying retail for KTM’s either...

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