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captmoto captmoto
5/13/2021 4:16 PM

This seems like it could be huge. Sounds like a momey issue.

The older I get, the faster I was.

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soulberg3 soulberg3
5/13/2021 4:28 PM
captmoto wrote:

This seems like it could ...more

That's long been the rumor. When i first heard it was money issues, it was around $650k. I Imagine it'll come to light shortly.

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bigk218 bigk218
5/13/2021 4:32 PM

Well the cooksey vid on YouTube says around 900k. Either way that team should be ashamed for the the way they handled it. Their sponsors should also be pissed. We loose good teams like jgr yet....

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twotwosix twotwosix
5/13/2021 4:48 PM
bigk218 wrote:

Well the cooksey vid on ...more

I'm on the rider's side, but at the same time 2020/Covid made lots of rider contracts questionable or void and from what I've heard BB was unwilling to budge.

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rider892 rider892
5/13/2021 5:20 PM

Team owner Forrest cheaps out on paying riders, truck drivers and some mechanics. It’s known throughout the industry...

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cable cable
5/13/2021 7:55 PM

the bad stuff never gets aired in moto. imagine if we went down the line of the top 20 riders of the last 20 years and asked if they got stiffed but didnt want to air it. shoot even chad reed may have not gotten paid with san manuel.

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jorgechavez jorgechavez
5/14/2021 1:06 AM
rider892 wrote:

Team owner Forrest cheaps ...more

If true that’s really shitty. As long as they have factory bikes they’ll probably always be able to sign some pretty high level riders.

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Motofinne Motofinne
5/14/2021 1:29 AM
rider892 wrote:

Team owner Forrest cheaps ...more

jorgechavez wrote:

If true that’s really ...more

It sucks that nobody in the moto media has put this whole story on the table and gotten to the bottom of it.

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-MAVERICK- -MAVERICK-
5/14/2021 1:42 AM
Motofinne wrote:

It sucks that nobody in ...more

A bit difficult to get any info when lawyers are involved. Both parties can't open up about the case. Probably won't hear much about it once it's all settled either.

"Sorry Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower."

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davistld01 davistld01
5/14/2021 4:38 AM

Our sport has always been so tiny, so niche, and it closes ranks so quickly that a lot of the truth is never exposed. I’m quite sure a lot of sorry crap has gone on with teams & riders over the years that we’ll never know about…or at least the whole truth about.

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EngIceDave EngIceDave
5/14/2021 4:39 AM

Everyone assumes sponsors (where the money comes from to pay for everything) lived up to their contracts.

Are you sure they did?

Make sure you downvote!

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EngIceDave EngIceDave
5/14/2021 4:43 AM

The source of money in the sport is not all that great. It's not an ocean of sponsors, not even a lake or a pond

It's more like a pothole.

Make sure you downvote!

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GrapeApe GrapeApe
5/14/2021 5:03 AM
jorgechavez wrote:

If true that’s really ...more

Motofinne wrote:

It sucks that nobody in ...more

-MAVERICK- wrote:

A bit difficult to get any ...more

If there is a lawsuit the pleadings are public record. It would only take a very small amount of work to at least find out the parties involved, the basis for the dispute, and what each side is alleging.

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mx317 mx317
5/14/2021 5:06 AM
Motofinne wrote:

It sucks that nobody in ...more

-MAVERICK- wrote:

A bit difficult to get any ...more

GrapeApe wrote:

If there is a lawsuit the ...more

Is that true on civil cases? Not debating, just asking because I don't know.

Take it to the limit, one more time!

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Dutch348 Dutch348
5/14/2021 5:12 AM

Why didn’t he just sign with a new team and race while all this legal bs from the past was getting sorted out?

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GrapeApe GrapeApe
5/14/2021 5:20 AM
-MAVERICK- wrote:

A bit difficult to get any ...more

GrapeApe wrote:

If there is a lawsuit the ...more

mx317 wrote:

Is that true on civil ...more

Yes, in general Florida has open public access to court records.

Florida Rules of Judicial Administration 2.420




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APLMAN99 APLMAN99
5/14/2021 5:41 AM
EngIceDave wrote:

The source of money in the ...more

Unfortunately that seems completely accurate.....!

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pkiczuk pkiczuk
5/14/2021 6:13 AM
Dutch348 wrote:

Why didn’t he just sign ...more

That would require someone both A) having a spot open and B ) wanting to fill that spot with Bagget, unfortunately those two stars don't always align therefore its not that simple.

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davis224 davis224
5/14/2021 7:15 AM
Dutch348 wrote:

Why didn’t he just sign ...more

Technically he's still under contract, right? Then that would be breach of contract on his part, which may hurt his cause (I'm assuming) to have his original contract honored. Not an esquire. Plus, didn't he have a surgery to get something fixed once he realized he wouldn't be lining up as planned?

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WoodsRacer WoodsRacer
5/14/2021 7:24 AM

"They twisted my words bench racing with a friend trying to figure out what happened to Blake Bagget"

Ummm, thats not bench racing....

Now I would like to know the story on BB, however I can't believe much of what Chris says, comes off as trying to save his ass/prove his innocence more then actually knowing what's going on.

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dirtworldmx dirtworldmx
5/14/2021 7:24 AM
Dutch348 wrote:

Why didn’t he just sign ...more

Good luck finding a job while suing your previous employer...or having sued one in the past. It leads me to believe that Blake knows he's done with the sport....and not worried about blacklisting himself with the industry.

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LungButter LungButter
5/14/2021 7:32 AM
dirtworldmx wrote:

Good luck finding a job ...more

Yet somehow that employer doesn't have any problem finding new employees even while being sued by an old one for not paying. This sport is amazing sometimes laughing

Pretty disappointing all around, seems like there has been several fingers pointed at the Butler Bros team over the years about not fulfilling paychecks....where there's smoke there's fire.....

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GuyB GuyB
5/14/2021 9:06 AM
davistld01 wrote:

Our sport has always been ...more

Our sport. Are you talking pro surfing? Mountain biking? Auto racing? One of the ball 'n stick sports?

I generally chuckle when people think issues between participants and teams and/or sponsors is exclusive to "Our sport..."

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stremme12 stremme12
5/14/2021 9:07 AM
cable wrote:

the bad stuff never gets ...more

There actually is some decent podcasts out there that have touched on riders getting screwed. It's usually not a 1 on 1 podcast about it but it has come up in various podcasts with riders. A lot of times it gets settled in court and then there is a NDA so that's why it cant be talked about.

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Dirty Points Dirty Points
5/14/2021 9:27 AM
davistld01 wrote:

Our sport has always been ...more

GuyB wrote:

Our sport. Are you talking ...more

Yeah.

There have been major sports stadiums with botched 8 or 9 figure naming rights deals with companies as famously shady as Enron, Power Balance, and Adelphia.

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byke byke
5/14/2021 10:08 AM

He wants to know why you can't talk about it? He must be new to moto.

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captmoto captmoto
5/14/2021 3:46 PM
dirtworldmx wrote:

Good luck finding a job ...more

If you are an employer holding up your end of the contract you don't need to worry about getting sued.

The older I get, the faster I was.

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UpTiTe UpTiTe
5/14/2021 6:34 PM
Dutch348 wrote:

Why didn’t he just sign ...more

You have to be healthy and want to ride, before you can get another ride.

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-MAVERICK- -MAVERICK-
5/14/2021 7:08 PM
Dutch348 wrote:

Why didn’t he just sign ...more

Can't sign with another team when you're still legally under contract with the RM/ATV/MC KTM Team.

"Sorry Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower."

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craigathan404 craigathan404
5/14/2021 7:36 PM

This information is coming from the same guy who thinks ZO16 is a scumbag and two faced. Seriously he said it in one of his outdoor preview videos

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