Has there been an Alta snowbike yet?

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Useless thread but.....Would the gobs of trq help? Was just watching Brett Cues youtube of him and Josh Hill and I thought itd be crazy to see him out there with his Alta
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It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP.

I think an Alta might do okay on a snocross/mx track where the snow isn't that deep but I don't see it doing well in the backcountry.
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Crush 12/16/2017 12:21am
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I'd assume it's likely going to drain that battery a whole lot faster with all that resistance
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Crush wrote:
I'd assume it's likely going to drain that battery a whole lot faster with all that resistance
That was my thought. Stranded a lot quicker than usual.

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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP...
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP.

I think an Alta might do okay on a snocross/mx track where the snow isn't that deep but I don't see it doing well in the backcountry.
A 125 will turn a track, you don’t need big HP. Obviously the more HP you have the better you do in deep snow but lots of guys running 350 4 strokes. My buddy own Beta Canada, he was testing a bunch of kits last season on 350, 390, 430 and 500’s.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP...
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP.

I think an Alta might do okay on a snocross/mx track where the snow isn't that deep but I don't see it doing well in the backcountry.
Example of 100hp please.

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Electronics and water normally don't mix well.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP...
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP.

I think an Alta might do okay on a snocross/mx track where the snow isn't that deep but I don't see it doing well in the backcountry.
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Example of 100hp please.

Google "turbo snowbike"
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ML512 12/16/2017 7:31am
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Crush wrote:
I'd assume it's likely going to drain that battery a whole lot faster with all that resistance
I would agree with this. The more load it takes, the quicker it goes through the battery. Loamy tracks versus hardpack are quite noticeable on battery life for this bike.
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reded wrote:
Electronics and water normally don't mix well.
While I do think battery life would be poor on an Alta snowbike, moisture won't be an issue. The bike is IP 68 rated, meaning it can be under 3ft of water for 30 minutes without issue.
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loftyair 12/16/2017 8:11am
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A 450 is too slow for snow. That Hus 701 would be much nicer. Or one of those maico 700 2-stroke.
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colintrax 12/16/2017 8:23am
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reded wrote:
Electronics and water normally don't mix well.
The alta is waterproof, as you'd expect from an electric dirt bike.
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Tuna wrote:
A 125 will turn a track, you don’t need big HP. Obviously the more HP you have the better you do in deep snow but lots...
A 125 will turn a track, you don’t need big HP. Obviously the more HP you have the better you do in deep snow but lots of guys running 350 4 strokes. My buddy own Beta Canada, he was testing a bunch of kits last season on 350, 390, 430 and 500’s.
Have you ridden a snow bike? 450's feel like absolute dogs. It takes a lot of power to turn a track, and track speed is everything in deep snow. I think the Alta would feel like a TTR 125
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colintrax 12/16/2017 8:26am
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The alta is fine in the snow, just needs mo battery. *not my bike




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colintrax wrote:
The alta is fine in the snow, just needs mo battery. *not my bike [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/16/232241/s1200_Snow_Dec17d.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/16/232242/s1200_Snow_Dec17e.jpg[/img]
The alta is fine in the snow, just needs mo battery. *not my bike




That doesn't have the added weight of a track kit. Add that and I'm not so sure it would do all that great especially in the backcountry. Like I previously mentioned I think it could do okay on a snocross/mx track but it wouldn't be fast by any means.
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colintrax 12/16/2017 8:37am
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That doesn't have the added weight of a track kit. Add that and I'm not so sure it would do all that great especially in the...
That doesn't have the added weight of a track kit. Add that and I'm not so sure it would do all that great especially in the backcountry. Like I previously mentioned I think it could do okay on a snocross/mx track but it wouldn't be fast by any means.
Yeah I was more responding to the water concern.
With the track I can't see it being real quick. Would certainly need a bigger battery.
But idk, we don't have snobikes in the south.
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Yeah I guess if it had the same trq but triple the HP itd be ideal.

Snow water isnt much of a concern as Im sure they are reliable and waterproof enough where that isnt a concern.

Although i did not think of the cold affecting the battery and the excess drain from the load of the snow/track.

Cool to think about thanks for helpin me pick my brain guys!
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hyler199 wrote:
Yeah I guess if it had the same trq but triple the HP itd be ideal. Snow water isnt much of a concern as Im sure...
Yeah I guess if it had the same trq but triple the HP itd be ideal.

Snow water isnt much of a concern as Im sure they are reliable and waterproof enough where that isnt a concern.

Although i did not think of the cold affecting the battery and the excess drain from the load of the snow/track.

Cool to think about thanks for helpin me pick my brain guys!
Not sure where you're located in Canada but if you're in Ontario you might want to check out the CSRA races over the winter. They have snowbike races if you would like to check them out for yourself.

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hyler199 wrote:
Yeah I guess if it had the same trq but triple the HP itd be ideal. Snow water isnt much of a concern as Im sure...
Yeah I guess if it had the same trq but triple the HP itd be ideal.

Snow water isnt much of a concern as Im sure they are reliable and waterproof enough where that isnt a concern.

Although i did not think of the cold affecting the battery and the excess drain from the load of the snow/track.

Cool to think about thanks for helpin me pick my brain guys!
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Not sure where you're located in Canada but if you're in Ontario you might want to check out the CSRA races over the winter. They have...
Not sure where you're located in Canada but if you're in Ontario you might want to check out the CSRA races over the winter. They have snowbike races if you would like to check them out for yourself.
Ya mon im in the Scarborough/Pickering area! thanks bookmarked their website
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hyler199 wrote:
Yeah I guess if it had the same trq but triple the HP itd be ideal. Snow water isnt much of a concern as Im sure...
Yeah I guess if it had the same trq but triple the HP itd be ideal.

Snow water isnt much of a concern as Im sure they are reliable and waterproof enough where that isnt a concern.

Although i did not think of the cold affecting the battery and the excess drain from the load of the snow/track.

Cool to think about thanks for helpin me pick my brain guys!
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Not sure where you're located in Canada but if you're in Ontario you might want to check out the CSRA races over the winter. They have...
Not sure where you're located in Canada but if you're in Ontario you might want to check out the CSRA races over the winter. They have snowbike races if you would like to check them out for yourself.
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Ya mon im in the Scarborough/Pickering area! thanks bookmarked their website
Not sure how long you've been following Canadian motocross but if the name Nathan Bles rings a bell he's last year's snowbike champion.
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kott0n 12/16/2017 10:21pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP...
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP.

I think an Alta might do okay on a snocross/mx track where the snow isn't that deep but I don't see it doing well in the backcountry.
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Example of 100hp please.

The 565cc Liger cylinder CR500 motor has done 96hp at rear tire on a dyno.
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Tuna 12/18/2017 3:39am
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Tuna wrote:
A 125 will turn a track, you don’t need big HP. Obviously the more HP you have the better you do in deep snow but lots...
A 125 will turn a track, you don’t need big HP. Obviously the more HP you have the better you do in deep snow but lots of guys running 350 4 strokes. My buddy own Beta Canada, he was testing a bunch of kits last season on 350, 390, 430 and 500’s.
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Have you ridden a snow bike? 450's feel like absolute dogs. It takes a lot of power to turn a track, and track speed is everything...
Have you ridden a snow bike? 450's feel like absolute dogs. It takes a lot of power to turn a track, and track speed is everything in deep snow. I think the Alta would feel like a TTR 125
Sure have, quite a few different sizes and models. I live in snow country dude. The Beta 350 we tested worked fine. I’ve tried 350 up to 570. Yeti, Camso, Timbersled, you name it.
How many have you ridden?
That’s like saying my Renegade 600 is useless in the snow.
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hyler199 wrote:
Useless thread but.....Would the gobs of trq help? Was just watching Brett Cues youtube of him and Josh Hill and I thought itd be crazy to...
Useless thread but.....Would the gobs of trq help? Was just watching Brett Cues youtube of him and Josh Hill and I thought itd be crazy to see him out there with his Alta
Hmmm, Josh Hill was in our shop last week, buying a Timbersled kit...
Dirty Points 12/18/2017 6:31am
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Sure have, quite a few different sizes and models. I live in snow country dude. The Beta 350 we tested worked fine. I’ve tried 350 up...
Sure have, quite a few different sizes and models. I live in snow country dude. The Beta 350 we tested worked fine. I’ve tried 350 up to 570. Yeti, Camso, Timbersled, you name it.
How many have you ridden?
That’s like saying my Renegade 600 is useless in the snow.
Isn't your Renegade 100 horsepower?
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Tuna 12/18/2017 6:37am
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Tuna wrote:
Sure have, quite a few different sizes and models. I live in snow country dude. The Beta 350 we tested worked fine. I’ve tried 350 up...
Sure have, quite a few different sizes and models. I live in snow country dude. The Beta 350 we tested worked fine. I’ve tried 350 up to 570. Yeti, Camso, Timbersled, you name it.
How many have you ridden?
That’s like saying my Renegade 600 is useless in the snow.
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Isn't your Renegade 100 horsepower?
Closer to 120 but hard to compare to snow bikes. My point was that a 154 track 175hp 850 with 2.5 paddles is gonna work better in deep mountain back country but my 136 track with 1.25 lugs works fine unless I’m climbing mountains. I rode a 350 with a Yeti kit and it had no problem getting going again after stopping and sinking in 4feet of powder.
Dirty Points 12/18/2017 6:56am
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A 350 has 30% more peak horsepower over the Alta.
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hyler199 wrote:
Useless thread but.....Would the gobs of trq help? Was just watching Brett Cues youtube of him and Josh Hill and I thought itd be crazy to...
Useless thread but.....Would the gobs of trq help? Was just watching Brett Cues youtube of him and Josh Hill and I thought itd be crazy to see him out there with his Alta
TerryB wrote:
Hmmm, Josh Hill was in our shop last week, buying a Timbersled kit...
Probably because he has been racing one on a YZ450F.
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hyler199 wrote:
Useless thread but.....Would the gobs of trq help? Was just watching Brett Cues youtube of him and Josh Hill and I thought itd be crazy to...
Useless thread but.....Would the gobs of trq help? Was just watching Brett Cues youtube of him and Josh Hill and I thought itd be crazy to see him out there with his Alta
TerryB wrote:
Hmmm, Josh Hill was in our shop last week, buying a Timbersled kit...
I think he's riding the AMA Snowbike series or some events. I know there's an event in Oregon.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP...
It might have a lot of torque but what you need is a lot of HP. I mean some of the bikes have over 100+ HP.

I think an Alta might do okay on a snocross/mx track where the snow isn't that deep but I don't see it doing well in the backcountry.
our good backcountry riding doesn't even start until about 20 minutes up the snow packed road, so I agree with you, an ALTA snow-bike wouldn't be great at all for back-country with the current 30-50 minute run times.

couple weeks ago we got 33 miles out of about 3 gallons of gas on ours. we each have a spare 3 gallon tank so our range is right around 60 miles (depending on the riding).

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