Has the torch been passed to Prado?

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9/9/2020 1:01pm Edited Date/Time 9/17/2020 10:30am
Huge bummer to lose Herlings. Hope it's not too severe and he comes back soon.

Is it prophetic that on the day Herlings gets injured Prado wins his first 450 overall. What are the odds Prado gains confidence, especially knowing Herlings is out, and goes on a tear?
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9/9/2020 1:11pm
A fully fit Prado is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
But is still at struggling, he could hardly take a breath in his after race interview.
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9/9/2020 1:14pm
I'm hoping they both have a hand on the Torch, and we get to see several years of them at their best!
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9/9/2020 1:18pm
Standby to standby. He’ll get there soon enough
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Honestly the way this guy has been progressing despite his injuries he could win next year even with a 100% fit Herlings. Herlings probably has the edge speedwise but I'd hate to race someone like Prado for a championship. Gets like 70% of holeshots and hardly makes any mistakes. And he's probably not even close to his peak, he's only 19 years old. The improvements he made from 2018 to 2019 in MX2 are pretty amazing

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9/9/2020 1:47pm
Way too soon, man.
Prado has led a lot of laps in each of the last four motos. Still not 100%. He gets starts. Even if Herlings weren't injured it might not be too soon.
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9/9/2020 1:48pm
The 20's are Prado's decade
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9/9/2020 1:50pm
Jorge Prado es el futuro y el siguiente multi-campeón.

Cairolli Will hand the torch to Prado after winning his 10th World title this year.
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9/9/2020 1:53pm
Prado is truly special, but I wouldn't be ready to pass it just yet.... JH84 has a solid amount left in the tank for sure. But, with that said, Prado could be giving everybody a run for their money, for an entire schedule next year, as long as he keeps his fit up to spec with minimal damage. Both are exceptional talents, a pleasure to watch them both.
9/9/2020 1:55pm
Im pulling for Tony to get his 10th Title. He so deserves it. Prado is amazing and the future of mxgp.
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FerCzD wrote:
Jorge Prado es el futuro y el siguiente multi-campeón.

Cairolli Will hand the torch to Prado after winning his 10th World title this year.
I'd love to see him get the 10th and sail into the sunset but Tiga might have a say in it. We'll see this next weekend but it's going to be phenomenal to see the best of AC one last time. He knows this is the year, next season he'll have 3 top contenders and he'll be older.
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9/9/2020 2:01pm Edited Date/Time 9/9/2020 7:02pm
Way too soon, man.
str8line wrote:
Prado has led a lot of laps in each of the last four motos. Still not 100%. He gets starts. Even if Herlings weren't injured it...
Prado has led a lot of laps in each of the last four motos. Still not 100%. He gets starts. Even if Herlings weren't injured it might not be too soon.
1) "Torch passed" thread day after somebody crashed in practice and injured their neck is probably always too soon.
2) There's multiple guys who aren't discussed in this "passing of the torch" thread, including the last three other guys who held the "torch", some more recently than the crashed points leader,
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9/9/2020 2:12pm Edited Date/Time 9/9/2020 2:14pm
1) "Torch passed" thread day after somebody crashed in practice and injured their neck is probably always too soon. 2) There's multiple guys who aren't discussed...
1) "Torch passed" thread day after somebody crashed in practice and injured their neck is probably always too soon.
2) There's multiple guys who aren't discussed in this "passing of the torch" thread, including the last three other guys who held the "torch", some more recently than the crashed points leader,
Those guys didn't win today, did they? The writing is on the wall. You can assume it's too soon though. I'll assume the timing is right.
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9/9/2020 2:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/9/2020 2:52pm
FerCzD wrote:
Jorge Prado es el futuro y el siguiente multi-campeón.

Cairolli Will hand the torch to Prado after winning his 10th World title this year.
That would be awesome to see Cairoli pull it off.


With 12 races left Prado is 44 points down on Cairoli and down 40 on Gajser. Prado could pull it off.




Pos. Num. Rider Bike Nat. Pts.
1 #84 Jeffrey Herlings KTM NED 263
2 #222 Antonio Cairoli KTM ITA 241
3 #243 Tim Gajser Honda SLO 237
4 #91 Jeremy Seewer Yamaha SUI 217
5 #27 Arminas Jasikonis Husqvarna LTU 210
6 #259 Glenn Coldenhoff GASGAS NED 204
7 #61 Jorge Prado KTM ESP 197
8 #21 Gautier Paulin Yamaha FRA 179
9 #3 Romain Febvre Kawasaki FRA 172
10 #25 Clement Desalle Kawasaki BEL 168
11 #43 Mitchell Evans Honda AUS 122
12 #89 Jeremy Van Horebeek Honda BEL 122
13 #911 Jordi Tixier KTM FRA 76
14 #747 Michele Cervellin Yamaha ITA 73
15 #4 Arnaud Tonus Yamaha SUI 71
16 #189 Brian Bogers KTM NED 65
17 #10 Calvin Vlaanderen Yamaha NED 64
18 #128 Ivo Monticelli GASGAS ITA 56
19 #29 Henry Jacobi Yamaha GER 55
20 #77 Alessandro Lupino Yamaha ITA 47
21 #6 Benoit Paturel Honda FRA 45
22 #24 Shaun Simpson KTM GBR 31
23 #41 Pauls Jonass Husqvarna LAT 26
24 #777 Evgeny Bobryshev Husqvarna RUS 20
25 #760 Pascal Rauchenecker KTM AUT 16
26 #116 Karlis Sabulis KTM LAT 16
27 #152 Petar Petrov KTM BUL 15
28 #53 Dylan Walsh Honda GBR 13
29 #7 Tanel Leok Husqvarna EST 12
30 #151 Harri Kullas Honda EST 11
31 #811 Adam Sterry KTM GBR 10
32 #107 Lars van Berkel Husqvarna NED 9
33 #92 Valentin Guillod Honda SUI 9
34 #64 Thomas Covington Yamaha USA 7
35 #32 Brent Van doninck Husqvarna BEL 5
36 #211 Nicholas Lapucci KTM ITA 5
37 #321 Samuele Bernardini Yamaha ITA 2
38 #297 Anton Gole Honda SWE 2
39 #226 Tom Koch KTM GER 1
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1) "Torch passed" thread day after somebody crashed in practice and injured their neck is probably always too soon. 2) There's multiple guys who aren't discussed...
1) "Torch passed" thread day after somebody crashed in practice and injured their neck is probably always too soon.
2) There's multiple guys who aren't discussed in this "passing of the torch" thread, including the last three other guys who held the "torch", some more recently than the crashed points leader,
str8line wrote:
Those guys didn't win today, did they? The writing is on the wall. You can assume it's too soon though. I'll assume the timing is right.
Dude. I don't know what is so hard here, but just have a bit of class.
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9/9/2020 2:51pm
Dude. I don't know what is so hard here, but just have a bit of class.

What are you on about? Please explain your problem.
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9/9/2020 4:39pm
There is no torch
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The only person Herlings would ever pass the torch to is a clone of himself. Even then his obsessive competitive nature would probably take over and there would be a duel to the death, Herlings vs. Herlings.

Prado's win was good, but keep in mind he didn't even win a moto. His day will come though. But once again, Cairoli has positioned himself perfectly to pounce on the points lead should Herlings bow out of the next round.
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9/14/2020 9:43am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2020 9:46am
bayodome wrote:
The only person Herlings would ever pass the torch to is a clone of himself. Even then his obsessive competitive nature would probably take over and...
The only person Herlings would ever pass the torch to is a clone of himself. Even then his obsessive competitive nature would probably take over and there would be a duel to the death, Herlings vs. Herlings.

Prado's win was good, but keep in mind he didn't even win a moto. His day will come though. But once again, Cairoli has positioned himself perfectly to pounce on the points lead should Herlings bow out of the next round.
Well now Jorge now has his moto win. He's a holeshot machine.

Faded again in the 2nd moto but it was hot and he probably has his injury on his mind and isn't taking any chances.

If he can get his conditioning up a little he just might dominate-this year even. The title isn't out of reach. Especially considering his age and dominance in the 250's I think we are witnessing a possible GOAT in the making. Look out Ricky.
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9/14/2020 9:51am
Prado needs to build his base for 2021.
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9/14/2020 9:56am
Tony still has the torch.
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Over the last 4 GP's TC has 156 pts. Prado has 155 pts.
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9/14/2020 11:14am
I would say it is on track to come his way, yes.
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bayodome wrote:
The only person Herlings would ever pass the torch to is a clone of himself. Even then his obsessive competitive nature would probably take over and...
The only person Herlings would ever pass the torch to is a clone of himself. Even then his obsessive competitive nature would probably take over and there would be a duel to the death, Herlings vs. Herlings.

Prado's win was good, but keep in mind he didn't even win a moto. His day will come though. But once again, Cairoli has positioned himself perfectly to pounce on the points lead should Herlings bow out of the next round.
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Well now Jorge now has his moto win. He's a holeshot machine. Faded again in the 2nd moto but it was hot and he probably has...
Well now Jorge now has his moto win. He's a holeshot machine.

Faded again in the 2nd moto but it was hot and he probably has his injury on his mind and isn't taking any chances.

If he can get his conditioning up a little he just might dominate-this year even. The title isn't out of reach. Especially considering his age and dominance in the 250's I think we are witnessing a possible GOAT in the making. Look out Ricky.
Too late, RC is safe at least with this crop riders. No one racing today compares. No one.
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9/14/2020 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 9/14/2020 4:22pm
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Too late, RC is safe at least with this crop riders. No one racing today compares. No one.
Jorge compares to Ricky right now. Jorge's pro career started at a younger age so it's not directly comparable. RC did dominate almost right away. But Jorge won 16/17 races last year. That is more dominant than Ricky ever was in the 125's outdoors. Jorge also moved up to the premier class at a younger age than Ricky.

Coming off the femur he already has a win against a possibly stronger field than Ricky had his first year of outdoors in the premier class... but Ricky won 9/12 his first season in the premier class.

Jorge would have to go on a winning streak. He probably doesn't have the man-strength against this field but it might happen. Ricky was great at starts but was he as good as Jorge?


https://racerxonline.com/rider/jorge-prado/races


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Carmichael#AMA_Motocross_/_Supercro…
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Prado needs to build his base for 2021.
If he spent time building up his base and sent his motors to Varner then he'd be holding the torch for sure.
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Now he has 2 weeks to recover. The next 7 races are 3 sand races in Italy (where he lives and trains), 1 home GP in Spain, 3 races in Lommel (where he used to live but still trains frequently).
If Cairoli and Gajser don't run into issues then the title is probably a bit far away but I wouldn't be surprised if he scored the most points in the remaining races.
Oh and Arco, the track for the last 3 GPs, is great for riders that can start out front.
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Park Boys wrote:
Too late, RC is safe at least with this crop riders. No one racing today compares. No one.
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Jorge compares to Ricky right now. Jorge's pro career started at a younger age so it's not directly comparable. RC did dominate almost right away. But...
Jorge compares to Ricky right now. Jorge's pro career started at a younger age so it's not directly comparable. RC did dominate almost right away. But Jorge won 16/17 races last year. That is more dominant than Ricky ever was in the 125's outdoors. Jorge also moved up to the premier class at a younger age than Ricky.

Coming off the femur he already has a win against a possibly stronger field than Ricky had his first year of outdoors in the premier class... but Ricky won 9/12 his first season in the premier class.

Jorge would have to go on a winning streak. He probably doesn't have the man-strength against this field but it might happen. Ricky was great at starts but was he as good as Jorge?


https://racerxonline.com/rider/jorge-prado/races


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Carmichael#AMA_Motocross_/_Supercro…
I’m a fan of Prados but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. RC never lost an MX title. Prado is the future but he’s not blowing guys out like RC was doing pretty early. Prado has a overall and a moto win. No where near RC levels. Way way too soon. He could win the rest of the races this year and the title and not have the win percentage RC had. RC wasn’t as good at starts as Prado is but it didn’t matter.

People to quickly want to compare guys to RC, you heard at after RVs 13 season some about Roczens 16 MX season and Herlings after 18. Every time it was a resounding no. Guys get hurt, For the most part RC didn’t.
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9/14/2020 6:31pm
Park Boys wrote:
Too late, RC is safe at least with this crop riders. No one racing today compares. No one.
str8line wrote:
Jorge compares to Ricky right now. Jorge's pro career started at a younger age so it's not directly comparable. RC did dominate almost right away. But...
Jorge compares to Ricky right now. Jorge's pro career started at a younger age so it's not directly comparable. RC did dominate almost right away. But Jorge won 16/17 races last year. That is more dominant than Ricky ever was in the 125's outdoors. Jorge also moved up to the premier class at a younger age than Ricky.

Coming off the femur he already has a win against a possibly stronger field than Ricky had his first year of outdoors in the premier class... but Ricky won 9/12 his first season in the premier class.

Jorge would have to go on a winning streak. He probably doesn't have the man-strength against this field but it might happen. Ricky was great at starts but was he as good as Jorge?


https://racerxonline.com/rider/jorge-prado/races


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Carmichael#AMA_Motocross_/_Supercro…
Park Boys wrote:
I’m a fan of Prados but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. RC never lost an MX title. Prado is the future but he’s not blowing...
I’m a fan of Prados but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. RC never lost an MX title. Prado is the future but he’s not blowing guys out like RC was doing pretty early. Prado has a overall and a moto win. No where near RC levels. Way way too soon. He could win the rest of the races this year and the title and not have the win percentage RC had. RC wasn’t as good at starts as Prado is but it didn’t matter.

People to quickly want to compare guys to RC, you heard at after RVs 13 season some about Roczens 16 MX season and Herlings after 18. Every time it was a resounding no. Guys get hurt, For the most part RC didn’t.
He was a tough SOB but once got injured and in his own words that kept him racing an extra couple of years. Would have been extremely shocking to see him retire at 25 yo.

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