Hands down the most brutal whoops i have ever seen (Windham/Pastrana 02 no fear shoot)

8/14/2018 2:45pm
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aeffertz
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8/14/2018 2:54pm
Man, TP was struggling with those suckers, eh? K-Dub killed 'em, though!

That entire track looks brutal, to be honest. All the jumps look so short and steep and the whoops are like you said insane. Looks slicker than a whiskey fart too.
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8/14/2018 3:02pm
I think you'll find these are not as big as the huck-a-buck would indicate. Most likely a product of 16 year old technology. haha
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8/14/2018 3:03pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2018 4:24pm
Big whoops were pretty normal back in the early 2000's. What I liked most about whoops back then is that the sections were actually long. You had to commit to them if you wanted to make up time. Maybe it's just me but today's whoop sections seem a lot shorter.

That and who doesn't love hearing a two stroke going wide open over them.

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8/14/2018 3:06pm
Zaugg wrote:
I think you'll find these are not as big as the huck-a-buck would indicate. Most likely a product of 16 year old technology. haha
I'm unsure what you're getting at but if a 6'2 Pastrana and a 6'1 Windham (i'm unsure his actual) can't get over them they're brutal

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8/14/2018 3:08pm
I’d like to see more whoops like that today.
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8/14/2018 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2018 3:14pm
Man, the front end looks stiff...and there's some weird spacing to the whoops.
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8/14/2018 3:17pm
I feel Pastrana was too much over the front end for his size. Just purely from a spectator stance of course.

They do look like they've been left in the rain for a winter tbf. 5ft kickers 50 feet into a 120ft whoop section
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8/14/2018 3:46pm
I love riding. That said, this does not look fun! I'd just be hitting jumps, riding around those suckers haha
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8/14/2018 4:00pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2018 4:00pm
Cool video, shows that even guys like Pastrana are human. Also, give the top guys with the bikes now those set of whoops and they'd skim them first lap no problem. At the time, wasn't so easy.
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8/14/2018 4:02pm
you can tell that they're gnarly because of the way that they are
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8/14/2018 4:17pm
The 2000 Anaheim II Supercross whoops were that big, or bigger. It was nuts seeing only handful of people getting through those clean. It was a much shorter section than normal for that time though (perhaps normal length by today's standards...) That track also had the massive quad only a couple 125 guys were hitting.

So cool back when we didn't have bikes that could get through long rhythm sections in 2 or 3 jumps... 125s typically had to double the triples if they were right out of a corner... and riders HAD to use the clutch everywhere.

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8/14/2018 4:42pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2018 4:42pm
Windham is so smooth it looks like he’s cheating
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8/14/2018 4:58pm
Cool video, shows that even guys like Pastrana are human. Also, give the top guys with the bikes now those set of whoops and they'd skim...
Cool video, shows that even guys like Pastrana are human. Also, give the top guys with the bikes now those set of whoops and they'd skim them first lap no problem. At the time, wasn't so easy.
Ahhh, I don't think so. Those fuckers are super peaked and have strange spacing. Pastrana was always a beast through the whoops, even at that time.

I'm not saying everyone was better back then but there's no way a set of whoops like that would make it into the night show. Which is probably the right choice. That set just looks 100% fuckered.
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8/14/2018 5:13pm
Marvin Musquin would destroy those whoops
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8/14/2018 5:30pm
Kelz87 wrote:
Marvin Musquin would destroy those whoops
with his head
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8/14/2018 5:31pm
Why can't we get a modern incarnation of this at a Supercross? Ones that challenge modern bikes and riders (for those saying that modern bikes would skim right across these).

Space them out unevenly, make them square edged, put a couple high ones in here and there. And make them "un-jumpable". Something to really make the riders think.
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8/14/2018 5:40pm
Cool video, shows that even guys like Pastrana are human. Also, give the top guys with the bikes now those set of whoops and they'd skim...
Cool video, shows that even guys like Pastrana are human. Also, give the top guys with the bikes now those set of whoops and they'd skim them first lap no problem. At the time, wasn't so easy.
aeffertz wrote:
Ahhh, I don't think so. Those fuckers are super peaked and have strange spacing. Pastrana was always a beast through the whoops, even at that time...
Ahhh, I don't think so. Those fuckers are super peaked and have strange spacing. Pastrana was always a beast through the whoops, even at that time.

I'm not saying everyone was better back then but there's no way a set of whoops like that would make it into the night show. Which is probably the right choice. That set just looks 100% fuckered.
It's a technology based opinion, not skill based.
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8/14/2018 5:42pm
There has to be something odd/different about those whoops. Pastrami never looks that goofy on a track.
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8/14/2018 5:51pm
BS12 wrote:
Why can't we get a modern incarnation of this at a Supercross? Ones that challenge modern bikes and riders (for those saying that modern bikes would...
Why can't we get a modern incarnation of this at a Supercross? Ones that challenge modern bikes and riders (for those saying that modern bikes would skim right across these).

Space them out unevenly, make them square edged, put a couple high ones in here and there. And make them "un-jumpable". Something to really make the riders think.
ABSOLUTELY!
I've been saying this for years.
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8/14/2018 5:53pm
plowboy wrote:
There has to be something odd/different about those whoops. Pastrami never looks that goofy on a track.
They got larger and more spaced out toward the middle
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8/14/2018 5:58pm
The weird spacing had to be what threw them off because Pastrana can rail whoops
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8/14/2018 6:04pm
peelout wrote:
you can tell that they're gnarly because of the way that they are
How neat is that?
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8/14/2018 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2018 6:18pm
Cool video, shows that even guys like Pastrana are human. Also, give the top guys with the bikes now those set of whoops and they'd skim...
Cool video, shows that even guys like Pastrana are human. Also, give the top guys with the bikes now those set of whoops and they'd skim them first lap no problem. At the time, wasn't so easy.
aeffertz wrote:
Ahhh, I don't think so. Those fuckers are super peaked and have strange spacing. Pastrana was always a beast through the whoops, even at that time...
Ahhh, I don't think so. Those fuckers are super peaked and have strange spacing. Pastrana was always a beast through the whoops, even at that time.

I'm not saying everyone was better back then but there's no way a set of whoops like that would make it into the night show. Which is probably the right choice. That set just looks 100% fuckered.
It's a technology based opinion, not skill based.
I still think they'd throw everyone for a loop. The whoops now are a bit smaller and very evenly spaced. I don't think they should be unevenly spaced like these ones, to be fair, but when Reed is still the fastest dude through the whoops regularly, I think it it goes to show it's not 100% bike oriented and more or less what they're use to.

Like I said before, Travis was always very good at whoops and this particular set kicked his ass. You can tell that track is far from perfect.
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8/14/2018 6:17pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2018 6:20pm
Can we all just agree the sound is amazing?Smile

I swear I can smell the premix just watching this video!
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8/14/2018 9:37pm
Those whoops are odd spaced, peaked, dry, uneven heights, cupped and gnarly

TP went through the RBSR whoops on his 500 so fast he only hit every fifth one. which means he touched 2 whoops and only the top inch of those 2 whoops.

Todays whoops are nothing like those. TP has always been good through the whoops, but on those Windhams setup or something was better.

A1 should have those whoops, but then half the field would be out for race 2........Maybe A3.

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8/14/2018 10:34pm
A while back there was a push mid 2000's 06 07? To shorten and make them not as deep and they also did away with the back to back whoop sections. It was an attempt to make them more fair and "safer".
But it looks like some of the back to back sections have returned in the past year or two but they are not as long.
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8/14/2018 10:52pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2018 10:55pm
I seen Kyle Partridge RIP whoops at 2013 Arlington SX. Wheelie all through them. So gnarly

See me as a REAL fan paid attention to a rider like that and when I saw it live omg amazig I can't belive it got on TV.
8/15/2018 5:29am
Anyone else notice that Travis' rims were different colors in the top video?

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