Got to ride on my A-Kit finally....

Darryl916
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Edited Date/Time 2/24/2015 6:16pm
I wanted to do a review because there is so little information out there for us regular guys, by a regular guy. It's not made for us but some of us still want to know what it's like or get it for the bling factor. I also wanted to debunk some of the myths I have heard from people discouraging me from making such a radical purchase.

What it is:

A low time Showa A kit from circa 2007/8 acquired by a local suspension guy here in Maryland (Bumpstiks) for a local pro to use on a 2007 CR250R. This picture is of it laid out next to the OEM Showa stuff from my project 2007 CR250R.





Here it is on the bike.






The forks are installed in stock triples that have been bored to hold the larger tubes. I removed the casting seams and rubbed them with a little scotch brite just because they were off.






Where I was riding:

Budds Creek open practice this past Saturday in loamy moist conditions from a week of rain.



What it felt like:

AMAZING! Almost like cheating... Took the edge off of the CR 2 stroke's radical explosiveness quite a bit and afforded so much more traction.


The first thing I noticed on the sight lap was the ability to literally roll around the track with more speed and less effort. My sight lap is usually quite slow to the point I have to check up on most of the jumps because I don't have the time to asses the track conditions and still have time to get over things after my assessment. Even on the sight lap I had time and momentum to safely look and float over the stuff I usually don't unless I am actually putting a lap together. So instantly it felt like I was less busy and was carrying more momentum.

After the sight lap when I knew the track conditions (I'm VERY familiar with Budds Creek) I started to try to put some laps together and see if I needed to make some clicks for balance and such. The sag was ok to start right out of box; right around 100mm, and the clickers where in a good place to start also. I honestly couldn't find anything wrong with the balance so I kept riding.

The second thing I noticed was how crazy the bottoming resistance was without being harsh. I'm pretty sure I could jump into the side of a truck and not strain my body. There are some big tables at Budds and a step up 75% of regular humans don't jump. Us humans jump some of the huge stuff as far as our ankles and wrists can take. Well with this stuff it's scary how hard you can crash into stuff. No crazy bottoming or bounce back. Tracks extremely straight.


So overall...

Forks:

- super plush and accurate in the initial and mid stroke but somehow resists bottoming without a harsh transition between plush and hard. They aren't harsh anywhere.


Shock:

- Probably the most amazing part, even more so than the forks. If you land rear wheel first it's like a pillow top mattress, period!

- Traction was like a 4 stroke. Helps so much with power that is to some extent all or nothing on a 2 stroke. This stuff on a 450 would be out of this world!






With all that said, the not so good/stuff I haven't had time to figure out yet:


Boy, all that extra momentum thru chop, corner entry speed, off corner traction, sure got me in some crazy situation later in the day as I tried to step my game up to meet the bikes new found ability. There is a point where the bikes stability to float thru stuff dumps you out to where you need skill. That's where I found myself having some serious pucker moments or taking soils samples. Things started to happen REALLY fast once I started to get up in the area of speed the bike now operates at comfortably.

All in all I do think this stuff is an advantage for anyone of any skill level. With only about 2 hours of actual ride time on it so far I'm still at a loss for exactly how it does what it does so much different and what exact approach I should take to use that to my advantage without riding over my head. The line between "this makes riding really easy" and "oh crap" is really fine with this stuff.


I'll post more as I spend more time with it. This is just an initial attempt to put what it feels like in word. It's honestly so different than anything else I've ever ridden it's hard to get my head around.




* for the record I'm a 32 year old Vet intermediate racer. 170ish pounds. 6' tall. I've ridden tons of re-valved suspension to include my buddies 2015 KX450 with Showa SFF TAC done by PC, which is supposed to be the best OEM suspension EVER. I'm not going to say that stuff is worse or better but it's COMPLETELY different in every way as far as feel.







Please excuse any typos or anything, I'm definitely not a journalist, just trying to get this knocked out.














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JerseyFresh
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12/30/2014 11:37am
So the pro level, multi thousand dollar suspension was awesome huh?
Darryl916
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12/30/2014 11:42am
So the pro level, multi thousand dollar suspension was awesome huh?
Shocking right? It was, indeed. Some people, most actually, told me it would beat me to death and I wouldn't notice much difference at all from OEM being that I wasn't a pro.

That is a myth I wanted to clear up.
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12/30/2014 11:43am
So the pro level, multi thousand dollar suspension was awesome huh?
Contrary to what many people claim that A kits are pro only stuff.
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12/30/2014 11:45am
All you did there, was validate our jealousy.... Smile

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12/30/2014 12:02pm
Thanks for that, really cool to read your review.
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12/30/2014 12:02pm
So the pro level, multi thousand dollar suspension was awesome huh?
Contrary to what many people claim that A kits are pro only stuff.
A good bike is a good bike.
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12/30/2014 12:16pm
Sigh...
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12/30/2014 12:57pm
Did you do a same day/same condition comparison to the fresh baseline (stock) suspension? This is all a direct comparison of that evaluation..

Not saying the suspension isn't better, but our minds are very powerful.

Reason I say this is...many riders can't really tell the difference as I know mechanics have "pretended" to make suspension changes based on their rider input ..all sudden that same suspension works perfect when in reality no changes were made.
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12/30/2014 1:50pm
Brad460 wrote:
Did you do a same day/same condition comparison to the fresh baseline (stock) suspension? This is all a direct comparison of that evaluation.. Not saying the...
Did you do a same day/same condition comparison to the fresh baseline (stock) suspension? This is all a direct comparison of that evaluation..

Not saying the suspension isn't better, but our minds are very powerful.

Reason I say this is...many riders can't really tell the difference as I know mechanics have "pretended" to make suspension changes based on their rider input ..all sudden that same suspension works perfect when in reality no changes were made.
Budds Creek is my home track, it's about 20 minutes from my house. I ride it sometimes 3 times a month. I have turned probably a couple thousand laps there on maybe 10 different bikes. I race there at least 4-5 times a year.

On top of that the difference is not nuances, we are talking total transformation. The improvement is by about 5 miles. The 5-10 feet lost in the non same day/ back to back comparison isn't relevant in this particular situation I don't think. The entire personality of the bike changed, but not so much it felt foreign.

I'd describe it as less compromise, or a broader window of setup if you will. It was better in more situations with one setting where on OEM you'd kind of have to choose which condition to setup for and deal with the rest.

In short. You can ride fast. You can ride slow. You can take wide lines. You can carve in. You can darn near decide mid rut you don't like that one and switch (seriously). You can sit down thru whatever. You can stand up. You can land flat. You can smash inot the last foot of a table top where it curves up a little to form the downside, and not even cringe. Just make sure you have good brakes, skills, or restraint because with new speed new trouble comes up quick. REAL QUICK.

For example climbing a big hill that wasn't a jump, just crests into a corner, I misjudged my braking point for the head of steam I was carrying at the top and jumped clear over the hump of the turn after the hill and whiskied clear over the berm after that. I was going 3rd tapped. To both brakes locked in the air. Brutal near miss! I haven't had a true goon moment like that in a good while.
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12/30/2014 1:54pm
Nice review...thanks
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12/30/2014 2:00pm
Darryl916 has learned the Single most important lesson in Moto:

The good stuff costs money; and, he's worth it.

Very Stoked for you.

Braaaap!
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12/30/2014 2:06pm
Having thrown an Ohlins shock with old oil and stock valving on my 04 CRF, ( I'm 260 lbs ) it's not hard to believe your write up. Always ready that "Pro level only" thing about A Kit stuff with huge skepticism. Glad your money was well spent. Enjoy.
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12/30/2014 2:23pm
Welp, time to start saving
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I have a set of pro circuit showa a kit laying around, forks are rolling around in my van and idk what I did with the shock. it's older like 04/05 ish. hands down best stuff I've ridden. like said above the back shock is amazing. it's like a memory foam mattress. best $1300 snag I found on eBay yet.
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12/30/2014 2:30pm
Kick ass review. A follow up would be very cool.

Is it just me---or is this place improving since the 'trash' was taken out....? Unsure
Darryl916
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12/30/2014 2:36pm
Kick ass review. A follow up would be very cool.

Is it just me---or is this place improving since the 'trash' was taken out....? Unsure
I will post updates as I ride it more for sure.

Next point is to ride it somewhere different. I rotate thru about 4 different tracks.
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12/30/2014 2:41pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2014 2:41pm
Thanks for the review Darryl. You're gonna end up costing me a few thousand more, ya dick! Tongue
12/30/2014 2:41pm
ricko wrote:
I have a set of pro circuit showa a kit laying around, forks are rolling around in my van and idk what I did with the...
I have a set of pro circuit showa a kit laying around, forks are rolling around in my van and idk what I did with the shock. it's older like 04/05 ish. hands down best stuff I've ridden. like said above the back shock is amazing. it's like a memory foam mattress. best $1300 snag I found on eBay yet.
The forks are just ''ROLLING AROUND IN YOUR VAN??!!!!''

Like that empty McDonald's cup i have rolling around in mine.


HAHAHAHAHA
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cool write up. i believe your feelings on it. i was in the same boat,then i rode my friends bike. same exact bike but his had fc work. it wasnt even close. maybe it was how bad the stock was? in comparison i feel no need to send off my 15 sss yamaha suspension. 1st bike ive had where i didnt want to after riding my buddies. however i do like trick and no i dont care if it makes me faster. Silly
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Darryl916 wrote:
I will post updates as I ride it more for sure.

Next point is to ride it somewhere different. I rotate thru about 4 different tracks.
Great review!

Just curious, did Bumpstiks do your setup for the forks and shock, or are you riding them how they were set up for the former owner?

I went from stock suspension to a Factory Connection revalve this year on my CRF 450 and also noticed one of the things you'd mentioned, about how you suddenly find yourself going faster and things happening more quickly. Had a nice little crash going into a turn the other month by getting carried away with my newfound confidence. I feel better knowing it isn't just me, and my stuff is just a standard revalve, not A kit!
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ricko wrote:
I have a set of pro circuit showa a kit laying around, forks are rolling around in my van and idk what I did with the...
I have a set of pro circuit showa a kit laying around, forks are rolling around in my van and idk what I did with the shock. it's older like 04/05 ish. hands down best stuff I've ridden. like said above the back shock is amazing. it's like a memory foam mattress. best $1300 snag I found on eBay yet.
The forks are just ''ROLLING AROUND IN YOUR VAN??!!!!''

Like that empty McDonald's cup i have rolling around in mine.


HAHAHAHAHA
LaughingLaughing
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12/30/2014 2:59pm
ricko wrote:
I have a set of pro circuit showa a kit laying around, forks are rolling around in my van and idk what I did with the...
I have a set of pro circuit showa a kit laying around, forks are rolling around in my van and idk what I did with the shock. it's older like 04/05 ish. hands down best stuff I've ridden. like said above the back shock is amazing. it's like a memory foam mattress. best $1300 snag I found on eBay yet.
The forks are just ''ROLLING AROUND IN YOUR VAN??!!!!''

Like that empty McDonald's cup i have rolling around in mine.


HAHAHAHAHA
JW381 wrote:
LaughingLaughing
^^This.

Que the scene:
Me: "Hey bro, I just took a big digger and tweaked my shit. Got a spare set of forks by chance?"
Ricko: "As a matter of fact......."

WoohooWoohoo
12/30/2014 3:02pm
The forks are just ''ROLLING AROUND IN YOUR VAN??!!!!''

Like that empty McDonald's cup i have rolling around in mine.


HAHAHAHAHA
JW381 wrote:
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^^This. Que the scene: Me: "Hey bro, I just took a big digger and tweaked my shit. Got a spare set of forks by chance?" Ricko...
^^This.

Que the scene:
Me: "Hey bro, I just took a big digger and tweaked my shit. Got a spare set of forks by chance?"
Ricko: "As a matter of fact......."

WoohooWoohoo
Next we will find out he's got DD rolling around in the back too...
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12/30/2014 3:08pm
That's a nice looking CR btw. Reminds me of mine, probably runs better tho and I KNOW it handles better.
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12/30/2014 3:19pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2014 3:20pm
I worry about finding parts for A kit stuff.
Where would you go to find bushings , seals, etc. for a non mass produced fork?

Killer bike and review though !
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12/30/2014 3:20pm
Darryl916 wrote:
I will post updates as I ride it more for sure.

Next point is to ride it somewhere different. I rotate thru about 4 different tracks.
mark_swart wrote:
Great review! Just curious, did Bumpstiks do your setup for the forks and shock, or are you riding them how they were set up for the...
Great review!

Just curious, did Bumpstiks do your setup for the forks and shock, or are you riding them how they were set up for the former owner?

I went from stock suspension to a Factory Connection revalve this year on my CRF 450 and also noticed one of the things you'd mentioned, about how you suddenly find yourself going faster and things happening more quickly. Had a nice little crash going into a turn the other month by getting carried away with my newfound confidence. I feel better knowing it isn't just me, and my stuff is just a standard revalve, not A kit!
They are set up for me. He said the body type and weight between myself and the pro guy he was working with when they bought them new is about the same, only difference being our ability. When I purchased he went thru them for me and put new seals and stuff in since they had been on the shelf for about 6 years.

And yes there is a time period where a rider has to gel with his equipment before real results happen, which is why I plan to give more updates as I gel with it and start to make adjustments. I'm looking forward to being able to use them to my advantage than simply being a giggling passenger. Lol
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12/30/2014 3:24pm
Daryl,
Do you know if the A kit fork lug offset is the same as stock 07CR250 ?
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Skerby wrote:
I worry about finding parts for A kit stuff. Where would you go to find bushings , seals, etc. for a non mass produced fork? Killer...
I worry about finding parts for A kit stuff.
Where would you go to find bushings , seals, etc. for a non mass produced fork?

Killer bike and review though !
any legit suspension shop has all the bushings/can get them. no harder to find consumable parts.
now if you needed guide rods, fork caps, ect then it's a bit trickier as they changed some of the internal part sizing thru the years.. i think on mine the hardest thing to find was the seals.
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any legit suspension shop has all the bushings/can get them. no harder to find consumable parts. now if you needed guide rods, fork caps, ect then...
any legit suspension shop has all the bushings/can get them. no harder to find consumable parts.
now if you needed guide rods, fork caps, ect then it's a bit trickier as they changed some of the internal part sizing thru the years.. i think on mine the hardest thing to find was the seals.
Are you referring to the outer tubes(oil/dust seal) or the fork cartridge seal?

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