Gopro's no longer allowed? FIM says no?

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Edited Date/Time 1/5/2015 9:43pm
Any info on this?

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First James goes away.....now they want to take the Go-pro's away? WTF? I hope not! I dig the helmet cams! Like a lot!
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12/20/2014 10:32am
jeffro503 wrote:
First James goes away.....now they want to take the Go-pro's away? WTF? I hope not! I dig the helmet cams! Like a lot!
I hope they dont either, i also love the helmet cams
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12/20/2014 10:34am
For what reason? Safety? Licensing?
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12/20/2014 10:40am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2014 10:41am
I read that a while ago, but I forget what the reasoning was. I think it was safety, though. Could cause the riders head to twist upon impact, in a fall? It was weird, for sure. More "Nanny State" mentality, or they couldn't force GoPro to pay them to allow them to use them in a race.
Christ, if a guy is going to hit the ground, that camera should come flying off, not be a potential source of paralysis.

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12/20/2014 10:50am
I believe this all goes back to the skiing accident that Michael Schumacher had. FIM had banned them a few months ago to review if it was a hazard in the event of a crash or not.

Remember that ISDE vid with the gopro on the bars that you guys all hated? The gopro was on the bars because the FIM wouldn't allow the gopro to be worn on any part of the body.
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12/20/2014 10:51am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2014 10:52am
They make goggle cams for skiing.

Why is the chest mount not ok then?
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I certainly hope not, thats a move backwards, so much for trying to promote our sport and make it more mainstream when they want to take on-board footage away now.
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I'm sure they could find a way to mount it to the front of the bars or something. It doesn't HAVE to be on the helmet.

Christ....one guy gets hurt and they " Think " the cam caused the damage......and now everyone has to pay the piper.
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12/20/2014 10:57am
What is the reason for almost everything on earth?

$$$$$$!

I'm sure they're not happy about all the content captured on gopros that is distributed without them getting compensated for it (even though the gopro vids are prbly helping grow the sport). I'm sure gopro and FIM are trying to work out a licensing fee but to avoid looking greedy they're voicing "satefy concerns".
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I could not run a GoPro atop a rider's helmet during one of the main event races at the SuperMoto Of Nations in Italy a couple of months ago (FIM event). I had it on the rider's helmet during the warm up laps before one of the main events and a FIM official took the camera off right before the start of the race.

The main TV/Web production crew covering the event did have GoPros on a few riders for a track preview video below. They did run a GoPro during one of the final main event races but it was mounted on the bottom of the front number plate/top of the front fender.

https://youtu.be/KZQa-GU501E

If it's a safety issue, I can understand that. But losing a cool angle from a rider's view mid-race is a bummer.
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I have yet to see a helmet company come out either way on helmet mounted camera's, i would be interested if the helmets still past the safety ratings with the the camera's mounted
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This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to his massive head trauma.
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I am so completely tired of the FIM's bullshit.
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12/20/2014 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2014 12:06pm
America, bend over and grab your ankles. FIM = God.


x2 (and I am from Europe)


What would happen if AMA and Feld kicked out FIM? Is this possible or do they have a 1000 million year contract?
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ML512 wrote:
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to...
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to his massive head trauma.
Michael.........are they thinking of just removing the Go-pro's completely......or possibly another way to mount them?

I gotta say.....I almost like the helmet cam videos more than the dang race! They are the best thing since sliced bread imho.
12/20/2014 12:16pm
Screw the FIM. Boycott the FIM MXGP's and the FIM MXoN. Hope RV says FU to the FIM and just retires.
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It's very true that a camera directly ontop of your head isn't safe, the risk of it compromising the helmets safety is to much risk in my opinion and it's very apparent. Helmets company's should have an optional product that has a mounting slot for your type of camera in a safe spot!
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jeffro503 wrote:
Michael.........are they thinking of just removing the Go-pro's completely......or possibly another way to mount them? I gotta say.....I almost like the helmet cam videos more than...
Michael.........are they thinking of just removing the Go-pro's completely......or possibly another way to mount them?

I gotta say.....I almost like the helmet cam videos more than the dang race! They are the best thing since sliced bread imho.
I remember reading a PR a few months ago that the FIM sent out, I don't remember seeing Supercross on the list of events that they would be taken out of. Supermoto, World Enduros, and a few other events were listed.

I wouldn't mind seeing them mounted under the visors. We've done it a few times this year and I like the perspective. (you just have to flip the footage when you're editing)
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12/20/2014 12:38pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2014 12:38pm
I wonder what kind of research the FIM did to come up with this conclusion?

A ski helmet is completely different than a motocross helmet (especially 6D) and it is actually not proven the GoPro was the cause of the terrible accident.

In my opinion if a helmet is not safe enough with a camera on top, it was not safe enough from the beginning.
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12/20/2014 12:38pm
ML512 wrote:
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to...
This was introduced after a medical exam stated that the helmet camera on Michael Schumacher's helmet during his skiing accident was possibly a major contributor to his massive head trauma.
It was an opinion, originally presented as fact, by the French journalist Jean Louis Moncet. He later clarified.

"Talking about GoPro, there were no news. It was just my opinion." #F1

— Jean Louis Moncet (@moncet) October 15, 2014

GoPro is considering legal action against the journalist.

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KlootZak wrote:
I wonder what kind of research the FIM did to come up with this conclusion? A ski helmet is completely different than a motocross helmet (especially...
I wonder what kind of research the FIM did to come up with this conclusion?

A ski helmet is completely different than a motocross helmet (especially 6D) and it is actually not proven the GoPro was the cause of the terrible accident.

In my opinion if a helmet is not safe enough with a camera on top, it was not safe enough from the beginning.
im on the fence about it, I agree with you a ski helmet is much softer than a MX helmet,

but i could see that putting a hard square block on the helmet may direct the impact into a certain area of the helmet, rather than spreading the load like a helmet is ment to work, as i said before, i would be interested in the testing of it,
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12/20/2014 12:43pm
It's very true that a camera directly ontop of your head isn't safe, the risk of it compromising the helmets safety is to much risk in...
It's very true that a camera directly ontop of your head isn't safe, the risk of it compromising the helmets safety is to much risk in my opinion and it's very apparent. Helmets company's should have an optional product that has a mounting slot for your type of camera in a safe spot!
Yep. The mounting of the GoPro has an effect on the functioning of the helmet. With their popularity, I could see helmet companies designing helmets with camera mounting points that would not compromise the protection of the helmet.
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12/20/2014 12:47pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Michael.........are they thinking of just removing the Go-pro's completely......or possibly another way to mount them? I gotta say.....I almost like the helmet cam videos more than...
Michael.........are they thinking of just removing the Go-pro's completely......or possibly another way to mount them?

I gotta say.....I almost like the helmet cam videos more than the dang race! They are the best thing since sliced bread imho.
ML512 wrote:
I remember reading a PR a few months ago that the FIM sent out, I don't remember seeing Supercross on the list of events that they...
I remember reading a PR a few months ago that the FIM sent out, I don't remember seeing Supercross on the list of events that they would be taken out of. Supermoto, World Enduros, and a few other events were listed.

I wouldn't mind seeing them mounted under the visors. We've done it a few times this year and I like the perspective. (you just have to flip the footage when you're editing)
Damn man.....I really , really hope this doesn't make it's way into our sport. I think ( And I could be wrong ) but I think most of the upper end MX helmets would be a LOT tougher than a skiing helmet correct?

We've seen tons and tons of videos of guys landing strait on their heads and the camera just breaks the adhesive tape and everything is well. Sure.....maybe 1 out of a million might hit the camera at an angle that could cause harm.....but what is the likely hood of that happening?

I do like your " Under the visor " comment though! I'm getting a cam this summer , but I was looking at something more along the lies of what Trey uses ( can't remember the name ). But is smaller and more sleek.
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12/20/2014 12:52pm
the fim wants to control everything, it is not a safety issue. MX is not a safe sport, next thing will be airbags that deploy on the handlebar? The fim will sell you this system for only 50k and one would need it to compete in their events. This is their mentality along with half of the people here.
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12/20/2014 1:00pm
Whole Schumacher -GoPro thing was verified false just days after some doctor made his story about insident. Still FIM did over react and banned GoPros before ISDE race.
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AB#81 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/20/74541/s1200_G2884495copy.jpg[/img]


How the hell did they do that?

I have a TLD lid and would like to have it mounted that way.
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12/20/2014 1:15pm
Under visor mount works great with a 6D as well. No vision issues, also acts as an even more effective sun block than just a visor......for those late motos at Glen Helen.

Anything that can snag your helmet in a crash can't be good.



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