Goodbye Oceano Dunes...

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I heard that on kpcc today....Im not a desert rider or dune rider..However it does suck ass that these people continue to win every single argument... It feels and seems very very one-sided
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3/19/2021 7:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2021 7:05pm
This is what happens when California goes too far to the left with no counter balance from the right, because all the right does lately is bitch about Dr. Seuss books, when they should be stopping stuff that like this that affects their constituents.

The Coastal Commission knows full well that off roaders as a whole are weak willed, poor, disorganized, and lazy, so they do as they please.

If they were up against a group with money and legal power like the Sierra club, they would think twice about doing this.

...and the OEM's won't do shit because they make other stuff beside off road vehicles and don't want to be sodomized in the press by environmentalists.
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3/19/2021 7:09pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2021 7:10pm
All these places shutting tracks and riding spots are going to regret it when they see their income from tourism and revenue nose dive.

Not the smartest move from just a pure financial perspective, especially given the state of California’s economy.

On that note, I do miss riding there. First sand dunes I ever ripped.
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3/19/2021 7:09pm Edited Date/Time 3/20/2021 8:55am
California has 3,427 miles of caostline.

And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of it that we get to ride on (Actually much less than that).

Un-fucking-believable.

8 is 0.0023344032681646% of 3427...!!!!!!!!!

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: I'd originally reported it as .23344032681646 due to using a quick on-line percentage calculator...and The SlipDog pointed that "FAIL!" out!
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TeamGreen wrote:
California has 3,427 miles of caostline. And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of...
California has 3,427 miles of caostline.

And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of it that we get to ride on (Actually much less than that).

Un-fucking-believable.

8 is 0.0023344032681646% of 3427...!!!!!!!!!

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: I'd originally reported it as .23344032681646 due to using a quick on-line percentage calculator...and The SlipDog pointed that "FAIL!" out!
In my business, I have to spend a fair amount of time appearing in front of and dealing with these people and let me tell you, there is not a more despicable group of people than these folks, they are tin gods and they wield that power to its limit.

Did you know they control anything on the coast up to 1 mile inland in some places?

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3/19/2021 7:17pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2021 7:20pm
TeamGreen wrote:
California has 3,427 miles of caostline. And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of...
California has 3,427 miles of caostline.

And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of it that we get to ride on (Actually much less than that).

Un-fucking-believable.

8 is 0.0023344032681646% of 3427...!!!!!!!!!

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: I'd originally reported it as .23344032681646 due to using a quick on-line percentage calculator...and The SlipDog pointed that "FAIL!" out!
You know what burns me the most ? That the powers that be listen to the fucking douchebags. Where’s the judge that says get the fuck out of here. Swear to God it seems like one person complains about something like that officials or whoever start jumping through fucking hoops to make them happy. I don’t know what the fix is maybe just burn the place to the ground. This shit pisses me off. This state used to be such a fucking Paradise......
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TeamGreen wrote:
California has 3,427 miles of caostline. And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of...
California has 3,427 miles of caostline.

And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of it that we get to ride on (Actually much less than that).

Un-fucking-believable.

8 is 0.0023344032681646% of 3427...!!!!!!!!!

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: I'd originally reported it as .23344032681646 due to using a quick on-line percentage calculator...and The SlipDog pointed that "FAIL!" out!
sumdood wrote:
You know what burns me the most ? That the powers that be listen to the fucking douchebags. Where’s the judge that says get the fuck...
You know what burns me the most ? That the powers that be listen to the fucking douchebags. Where’s the judge that says get the fuck out of here. Swear to God it seems like one person complains about something like that officials or whoever start jumping through fucking hoops to make them happy. I don’t know what the fix is maybe just burn the place to the ground. This shit pisses me off. This state used to be such a fucking Paradise......
The eventual saving grace is they take their shitty one sided attitude to the point where they literally become their own worst enemy.

The process of them eating each other has already started from them trying to out outrage each other. Best to just create distance and let them eat their tail cancel culture each other.
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Commiefornia. Meanwhile Tesla is decimating entire ecosystems to mine for lithium all over the world, but hey.
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Brent wrote:
This is what happens when California goes too far to the left with no counter balance from the right, because all the right does lately is...
This is what happens when California goes too far to the left with no counter balance from the right, because all the right does lately is bitch about Dr. Seuss books, when they should be stopping stuff that like this that affects their constituents.

The Coastal Commission knows full well that off roaders as a whole are weak willed, poor, disorganized, and lazy, so they do as they please.

If they were up against a group with money and legal power like the Sierra club, they would think twice about doing this.

...and the OEM's won't do shit because they make other stuff beside off road vehicles and don't want to be sodomized in the press by environmentalists.
It seems like we need an association for American motorcyclists that could protect our rights to ride. Maybe we could pay them annually to do that.

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Electric bikes and other vehicles would probably remediate any of the semi-legit claims made by the prevailing side.

Wonder what would get found next as a reason to shut down riding
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mtl wrote:
Electric bikes and other vehicles would probably remediate any of the semi-legit claims made by the prevailing side. Wonder what would get found next as a...
Electric bikes and other vehicles would probably remediate any of the semi-legit claims made by the prevailing side.

Wonder what would get found next as a reason to shut down riding
The fragile ecosystem of course. That ecosystem is allergic to humans that enjoy life.
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It took a long time for them to shut Pismo dunes down, they've been trying since the 80s. Maybe earlier than that, but I was to young understand. My dad and grandpa were into dune buggies, I have memories of going back to Devil's slide, Guadalupe hill, and the real Competition hill. My dad has hill climb trophies from Pismo dunes. Really cool!

The closing plan involved a track/riding area on Phillips 66 old property. I don't know where that is, but hopefully it happens and is a cool place to ride.
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It seems like we need an association for American motorcyclists that could protect our rights to ride. Maybe we could pay them annually to do that.

Like I said, motorcyclists are lazy and disorganized, and their organization reflects that. they do seem obsessed with trying to ban helmet laws though...
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mtl wrote:
Electric bikes and other vehicles would probably remediate any of the semi-legit claims made by the prevailing side. Wonder what would get found next as a...
Electric bikes and other vehicles would probably remediate any of the semi-legit claims made by the prevailing side.

Wonder what would get found next as a reason to shut down riding
Erosion from knobby tires. It’s already happening with e- mountain bikes.
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So jacked up--Land of the Free? Soon there will be nowhere to ride. Unsure

Meanwhile SxS sales are exploding at a rapid rate Angry
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3/19/2021 10:32pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2021 10:35pm
I feel bad for the business owners who will suffer with this closure as well. When your only source of income gets taken away and, it’s all you’ve ever known, what are you supposed to do? Go back to school? BS.
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mtl wrote:
Electric bikes and other vehicles would probably remediate any of the semi-legit claims made by the prevailing side. Wonder what would get found next as a...
Electric bikes and other vehicles would probably remediate any of the semi-legit claims made by the prevailing side.

Wonder what would get found next as a reason to shut down riding
Wrong.

First, they hate us period. Electric or ICE, they don’t care. They just don’t want us doing what we do.
Second, the latest issue that started all this all over again one or two years ago were locals that complained about all the sand and dust traveling through the air from “OHV vehicles kicking it up into the air.”
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Everytime somthing like this comes up, I like to share Teddyquinns post... A Rick (Super Hunky) Sieman story from way way back...

Chilling how we are inching closer every year.

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SUNDAY MORNING RIDE … 1984
By Rick Sieman/April 1973
(Notes: Consider the fact that this story was written in 1973. It was so prophetic that it's frightening. Not only was it way ahead of its time back then, it rings hard and true today. Over the years, I've drawn literally thousands of letters regarding this chilling little piece. Its purpose was to scare the off-roading community to get off its dead ass. Clearly, even though the story had impact, it failed in that respect.)

We hear a lot of talk about what riding will be like in the future, you know, 20 years from now. From The Saddle tries to mirror the way it is today—but what would a story in From The Saddle be like in 1984? It might be more of a nightmare than a story...

A narrow slit of sunlight knifed through a gap in the curtains. It was this that caused Adam Spence to wake up.

When he did awake, he snapped his eyes open in excitement. This was Sunday morning. And that meant one thing—today was riding day. Today that good old dirt bike gets fired up and it's ride, ride, ride. Hot damn!

Let's see … time for a quick breakfast? Nope. It's almost 7:15. Time's a-wastin'.

Adam descended the shaft leading to the communal garage—his ma­chine was stored in cubicle 14. There it was. Sleek, purposeful and mean looking. Jagged knobs bristled on the tires and the hydro-pneumatic suspension valves reflected light off their stainless chrome surfaces.

The machine was a 125cc Yamaha AT-27-MX and was the finest money could buy. It handled like a dream and put out the maximum horse­power allowable under current gov­ernment regulations—8½ at the rear wheel. And it was all paid for—that was the best part.

Loading up took little time—eagerness helped. Adam hadn't been rid­ing for over three months and was more eager than usual.

OK. Helmet, boots, gloves, goggles, protective clothing, mandatory wrist identification … hmmmmm. Forget anything? Oh Christ—almost forgot the permit!!! Let's see, where was it last? Near the dresser by the bed? Yeh, here it is. Man, you don't want to lose one of those permits— they're too hard to come by.

As Adam drove out to the main road, it was hard to restrain the excitement. Thoughts flickered through his mind, fun thoughts. “I wonder what I should ride first today? An enduro, or maybe a few hot laps around the motocross course? Or maybe I should spend most of the day in the desert. I've always loved to ride the desert. Oh well, I'll just make up my mind when I get there—that's what always happens anyway.”

An hour and a half later, he ar­rived at the Multi-Track. It was hard to miss that giant building, covering nearly three city blocks. And that sign—wow! Almost 80 feet high, showing a rider doing a wheelie. Sent shivers up your back and sure made you want to get in there and do some dirt riding.

Adam presented his identification and permit at the window and was given his Class 4 badge—something very difficult to earn these days. This meant he was allowed to ride all types of tracks, except the roundy-­round stuff, which he didn't care for anyway.

The lift/hoist removed his machine from the truck and the lady gave him an assigned number. Sec­tion 34B. Hot dog! The best section in the house! This was going to be a good day. Adam could just tell.

He entered the transporter tube and punched 34B on the console panel. Moments later, the doors whispered open and there he was. Section 34B, a favorite among riders all over the nation. Some people even drove hundreds of miles just to ride this beauty.

And there his machine was, sitting patiently with the energy cord plugged in to the powerplant. Was it fully charged yet? Nope. The red light on the tank was still blinking. Adam buckled on all of his gear, the sound of the Velcro strips music in his ears. Just as the last glove was locked into the sleeve, the red light on the tank went out. Ready—the machine was fully charged and set for a full ride.

Adam disconnected the power cord and pushed the machine over to the Section Entrance. Unsmiling, the attendant demanded to see his permit. A mild moment of panic hit Adam, but the permit was right there in his pocket where it was supposed to be. A selector was clipped to his handlebar and the attendant opened the door and let man and machine into the riding area.

It was beautiful! The large turn­table-like platform measured nearly 100 yards around at the outer cir­cumference, possibly the biggest and most demanding course in the country. Oh sure, there was one bigger in Belgium, but that one had been built years ago and was nowhere near as elaborate as this beauty.

The texture of the dirt was per­fect—as always. Loamy and soft, with no rocks. Bumps, 10-foot slopes and several heart-stopping jumps made this a rider's track. Not one of those nothing tracks in the smaller towns. This one was a test—a real test—of the suspension.

Adam checked everything over carefully. Sixty pounds of pressure in the suspension, power unit fully charged, all ready. Now, what kind of riding?

How's about a little desert—start the day off right. He flipped the se­lector to Desert and almost immedi­ately the platform started moving, like a giant record.

The walls and the ceiling came alive as cameras projected the proper image. Joshua trees flashed by, the sky was an incredibly eye-hurting blue and the mountains in the distance loomed up high and proud.

Adam was so caught up with the beauty that he almost fell. Whuuup! Better pay attention to the business at hand. Those bumps will getcha if you're not watching.

A series of whoopdies rippled ahead, but the suspension did most of the work of soaking up the harsher jolts. Standing on the pegs did the rest.

Deep sand loomed up, the rutted wheel-grabbing kind. Adam got his weight back and rolled on the throt­tle. The bars waggled. some—not bad—but enough to demand no errors on the part of the rider.

Perspiration broke out on his brow and breathing became deeper. Dirt riding was hard work, indeed.

A smooth section came up and Adam reached down to the Selector and deftly flicked the sound switch to 112 decibels on the “A” scale. Almost immediately, the sound of a crackling expansion chamber saturated the platform, raping his eardrums in the process.

But the assault on his ears was music. Good music. It was amazing how the sound of the chamber synched perfectly with every nuance of his throttle hand. Tweak the throttle, and the crescendo blitzed upward—back off and the sound muted and popped. Bitchen'.

Time was fleeting, so Adam once again reached for the selector and this time hit the Enduro button. The desert background vanished and was instantaneously replaced with deep, black-soiled woods. Flickers of sunlight filtered through the overhead branches. Adam drew a deep breath. Mygawd, that's beautiful, he thought.

Obstacles flashed up in front of him and he got up on the pegs to work the bike around them. Going was gnarly and all of his skill was required to keep from making contact with the 3-D images of trees, rocks and the like.

A buzzer snarled at Adam, warn­ing him that the last tree hazard had not been missed. More concentration was required and he settled down to the business at hand. This slow riding was even tougher than the fast stuff—really took a lot out of a rider. Whew.

Adam glanced at his watch. Not much time left—better get in some motocross before his riding period expired.

Click.

Bodies hurtled by and slammed the gate right in front of him. Even though he knew they were just images, it was still frightening. Adam scrambled for the first turn, passing several of the images and making contact with several more. Angrily, the buzzer warned him of his clumsiness. He made a mental note to be more careful—too many buzzer viola­tions and that old riding permit would get yanked for six months or so.

The platform speeded up, as it always did for the motocross action. Bumps that had previously been av­erage suddenly took on a new, more vicious character.

He had to ride wider and wider to make the turns, using all of the available platform and coming perilously close to leaving the platform at times.

Adam got caught up in the frenzy of competition and worked the ma­chine for all it was worth—thrust, slide, jump, pass, weave in and Out of traffic until his forearms were burning.

But he still pushed harder and harder. And the harder he pushed, the better he rode. No buz­zers snarled at him, even though he was riding right in the thick of all the action. Adam was completely caught up in the heat of competition ...then...

…then, everything stopped. All of the images disappeared. Motion ceased. The platform no longer moved. And the little red light on his tank flashed accusingly that his time was, indeed, up.

Reality was brought back with sudden harshness. Being yanked back to earth this quickly was always depressing. It always seemed to happen during motocross. Adam made a mental note to try and ride enduros towards the last on his next ride.

As he was pushing his machine out of 34B, another eager rider was waiting at the entrance. Adam en­vied him—but, three months from now, he'd be back. Just show some patience.

When he got to his vehicle, his machine was already loaded on the carriers for him, just one of the many niceties of this Multi-Track. An undefinable feeling of depression settled over Adam as he headed for his apartment. It sure would have been nice to ride a bit longer. Oh well.

Then he saw it. Among all the buildings by the Main Way, there was a section of open ground. Obvi­ously, several older buildings had been torn down and the land was awaiting construction of the new buildings. But there it was—several acres of dirt. Real dirt. And it wasn't fenced in.

Adam pulled off at the next Loop and worked his way back to the construction site. No one was around. He was tempted … hell, why not? What could they do to him, anyway?

He was sure that at least 20 minutes of power was left on the reserve units in his machine.

A few moments later, the bike was unloaded and he flipped the lever to reserve. Sure enough. Nearly a half hour left. He fired the powerplant up and checked everything over—mostly out of force of habit.

A dab on the left side engaged the converter and the bike moved off. Hey, this is really neat, thought Adam. He pitched the machine down and threw a rooster tail high into the air.

Grinning like a man pos­sessed, he slithered and slid all over the cobby construction site. At the end of a very few minutes, Adam had a homemade track laid out. He was panting so hard that he was forced to take a short breather. Wow, this was real work! Sweat coursed down his brow and the salt stung his eyes. But he was happy.

Leaning forward on the bars, he surveyed the area about him. All these buildings and, right in the middle, my own personal dirt riding area, thought Adam.

These were his last thoughts.

A milli-second later, the sharp sound of a firearm cracked and echoed. The bullet entered Adam's forehead and passed through his brain. He was dead before his head slammed against the crossbar.

The little red light on his tank blinked. The Sunday morning ride was over.
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The reason the dunes is shutting down has NOTHING to do with the environment. 'Friends of Oceano Dunes' is the organization fighting to keep them open ( they've been around for years). They have disproven, with the help of something called science, every environmental BS that's been thrown at them.

The reason the dunes are closing down is because there is very rich people living up on 'The Mesa' directly inland from the dunes. They do not like seeing off-roaders when they drive to town. They see them at the gas stations, grocery stories, mechanics shops, restaurants, etc. They want to eliminate all of the tourism to the Arroyo Grande area so that they can get a more low key, small town feel. The businesses DO NOT want the dunes to close. Most citizens of the area DO NOT want the dunes to close because the dunes = jobs for them.

Majority of the people trying to shut the dunes down have something in common: they either are retired or their income is not dependent on local commerce.

At the end of the day these people can't stand the fact that a lower income class is having the times of their lives on their beach.

Their initial argument was to protect the non-native bird species the Snowy Plover. Once that didn't work they shifted gears. Their main argument of late has been sand being kicked up from the beach is "polluting the air around their homes." During COVID the dunes were completely closed off (zero access). And guess what? The wind still blew and the sand still polluted the air. Their used to be a bunch of Eucalyptus trees that worked as wind breaks between the beach and these homes. These same people wanted them knocked down to improve their views of the ocean.

I'm not sure why we seem to lose EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. whether its a track being closed down or another OHV area. But I am sick of it. Don't tread on me.
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TeamGreen wrote:
California has 3,427 miles of caostline. And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of...
California has 3,427 miles of caostline.

And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of it that we get to ride on (Actually much less than that).

Un-fucking-believable.

8 is 0.0023344032681646% of 3427...!!!!!!!!!

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: I'd originally reported it as .23344032681646 due to using a quick on-line percentage calculator...and The SlipDog pointed that "FAIL!" out!
Your decimal point is off a couple spots. Tongue
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3/20/2021 7:32am
TeamGreen wrote:
California has 3,427 miles of caostline. And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of...
California has 3,427 miles of caostline.

And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of it that we get to ride on (Actually much less than that).

Un-fucking-believable.

8 is 0.0023344032681646% of 3427...!!!!!!!!!

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: I'd originally reported it as .23344032681646 due to using a quick on-line percentage calculator...and The SlipDog pointed that "FAIL!" out!
Lets make sure to call them what they are, liberal fascists and make sure to label them as such with everyone. Heil Hillary or whoever is actually running the shit show now known as the USSA.
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Jardo wrote:
The reason the dunes is shutting down has NOTHING to do with the environment. 'Friends of Oceano Dunes' is the organization fighting to keep them open...
The reason the dunes is shutting down has NOTHING to do with the environment. 'Friends of Oceano Dunes' is the organization fighting to keep them open ( they've been around for years). They have disproven, with the help of something called science, every environmental BS that's been thrown at them.

The reason the dunes are closing down is because there is very rich people living up on 'The Mesa' directly inland from the dunes. They do not like seeing off-roaders when they drive to town. They see them at the gas stations, grocery stories, mechanics shops, restaurants, etc. They want to eliminate all of the tourism to the Arroyo Grande area so that they can get a more low key, small town feel. The businesses DO NOT want the dunes to close. Most citizens of the area DO NOT want the dunes to close because the dunes = jobs for them.

Majority of the people trying to shut the dunes down have something in common: they either are retired or their income is not dependent on local commerce.

At the end of the day these people can't stand the fact that a lower income class is having the times of their lives on their beach.

Their initial argument was to protect the non-native bird species the Snowy Plover. Once that didn't work they shifted gears. Their main argument of late has been sand being kicked up from the beach is "polluting the air around their homes." During COVID the dunes were completely closed off (zero access). And guess what? The wind still blew and the sand still polluted the air. Their used to be a bunch of Eucalyptus trees that worked as wind breaks between the beach and these homes. These same people wanted them knocked down to improve their views of the ocean.

I'm not sure why we seem to lose EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. whether its a track being closed down or another OHV area. But I am sick of it. Don't tread on me.
We lose every time everywhere for the same reason. $$
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I dont understand how dirtbike riders can stay in CA anymore. Im not saying this with a political motive. It doesnt matter if you are liberal or conservative, there are some blue states that have amazing riding and lots of it. Im saying quality of life is getting so low in CA.
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RMT wrote:
We lose every time everywhere for the same reason. $$
Seems the problem stems from Gucci wearing, caviar eatin, Dom sippin' rich elites more than the sandal wearing, granola eatin soy milk drinkers. Environmentalism is just the ruse to get people without money on board. It's common practice these days to lie about the real root of your cause to unwillingly get others to support you that wouldn't if they new the real cause.
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Seems the problem stems from Gucci wearing, caviar eatin, Dom sippin' rich elites more than the sandal wearing, granola eatin soy milk drinkers. Environmentalism is just...
Seems the problem stems from Gucci wearing, caviar eatin, Dom sippin' rich elites more than the sandal wearing, granola eatin soy milk drinkers. Environmentalism is just the ruse to get people without money on board. It's common practice these days to lie about the real root of your cause to unwillingly get others to support you that wouldn't if they new the real cause.
This.
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3/20/2021 8:50am
Offroad riders seem to always take the high-road as we never win, just try to minimize what we lose. Seems like they need to make the last weekend there one to remember..
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mattyhamz2
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3/20/2021 8:50am
davermz450 wrote:
I dont understand how dirtbike riders can stay in CA anymore. Im not saying this with a political motive. It doesnt matter if you are liberal...
I dont understand how dirtbike riders can stay in CA anymore. Im not saying this with a political motive. It doesnt matter if you are liberal or conservative, there are some blue states that have amazing riding and lots of it. Im saying quality of life is getting so low in CA.
Problem is this place takes so much of our money we don’t have the ability to leave. That’s where we are currently at, otherwise we’d be gone!
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JeepnMike
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Enumclaw, WA US
3/20/2021 8:50am
Downvote away, but you guys voted the people in making these decisions. The bleeding will stop when folks get their heads out of their asses and quit blindly voting down partisan lines because in the internet age people were taught it was 'hip' to do so. You can't sugar coat this.. Democrats are in bed with environmentalists, and if you have not noticed, changing the environment is on the top of the democrats list. While environment (that includes noise pollution) may not be the only contributor to this closure, it was no doubt one of the check points to get this closed (and many other long gone riding locations/tracks).

If losing freedom to enjoy your sport/hobby bothers you that bad, educate yourself when you vote.
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TeamGreen
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3/20/2021 8:52am
TeamGreen wrote:
California has 3,427 miles of caostline. And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of...
California has 3,427 miles of caostline.

And we're letting a group of 10 Birkenstock & Tie-Dye waering douchbe-bags kick us off the last 8 miles of it that we get to ride on (Actually much less than that).

Un-fucking-believable.

8 is 0.0023344032681646% of 3427...!!!!!!!!!

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: I'd originally reported it as .23344032681646 due to using a quick on-line percentage calculator...and The SlipDog pointed that "FAIL!" out!
slipdog wrote:
Your decimal point is off a couple spots. Tongue
Hey, you mean rich-guy with his own moto-park and complete race-shop on his home property/moto-compound...

I used one of those quick percentage calculators on the web and didn't even check it. DOH!!! Grinning

So, here it is CORRECTED... 3427 X .0023344032681646 = 8

ps-you're going to have a new "inquiry" for membership in the Roth Racing Training Facility...
My little nephew, who's an all-around-great-little-guy, got a Jason Anderson Stacyc Race-Replica for Christmas & has been MURDERING the streets, curbs, parks and trail systems in and around Carmicheal...and his grades are CRUSHING IT! So...he's earned a GasGas 50 or 65...whichever one fits him best...this summer...
Thus, we will be applying for a Full Roth Racing Training Facility Scholarship.

ps II - thanks for pointing out the math...it makes the point MUCH BETTER!



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