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roninho 9/16/2017 7:16am
9/16/2017 7:16am
Finnish_Flash_62 wrote:
As long as guys pay several 10k euros per year for rides, there will be enough teams and riders on the line to run Luongos show...
As long as guys pay several 10k euros per year for rides, there will be enough teams and riders on the line to run Luongos show, like it has been for several years now. Everytime an old team dies a new one pops up. IF these factory teams die, they will probably just give factory support to some teams around, like it has been for several years now. Nothing really new here.
No factory team and just giving factory support to a team which has a good main sponsor and a good group of smaller sponsors isnt such a bad idea.

If im in charge at an OEM i rather support a team that can actually pay a proven winner/podium finisher then run my own factory team but not having the means to sign a guy that can actually get some results.

Look at Suzuki and Everts, they spend a huge amount of money on their mxgp effort this year but didnt have the money to pay a rider who could win now and then. Seems like a waste of money to run mxgp factory team if you know up front that you are not going to win races.
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mmcmx 9/16/2017 7:44am
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The 23yo aka career ending rule needs to be droped.
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endurox 9/16/2017 8:25am
9/16/2017 8:25am
Johnny Depp wrote:
The business model of running younger developing riders on machines that cost twice as much to maintain, rev much higher, and can run the same lap...
The business model of running younger developing riders on machines that cost twice as much to maintain, rev much higher, and can run the same lap times as the premier class bikes if seriously flawed.

Likewise the concept that manufacturer's should pay for the majority of a race team's existence in a bike sales market that is a fraction of it's former self is unsustainable.

A larger displacement would make much more financial sense. So would hiring riders from the US circuit so you could get some notable results for your sponsor.

The problem is not the teams, it's the sport not prospering. Heaven forbid someone make any real changes like 2 strokes, electric bikes and open machine choices.
You nailed it!!!!!
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Robgvx 9/16/2017 8:27am
9/16/2017 8:27am
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What doesn't make sense is having over a hundred 250 riders show up at a GP (across MX2 and EMX250) and then sending thirty or forty...
What doesn't make sense is having over a hundred 250 riders show up at a GP (across MX2 and EMX250) and then sending thirty or forty home as non-qualifiers when there are empty gates in MX2.
So today, in France, we have 62 250 riders present for EMX250, of which 40 have qualified to race and 22 are going home.

But in the MX2 GP class there are 8 empty gates...

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kaidoddragon 9/16/2017 11:29am
9/16/2017 11:29am
Lawrence won quali 20+ on 2nd and almost a minute on 3rd after his first good start of the season. He need to get a ride for next year.
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Johnny Depp 9/16/2017 11:35am
9/16/2017 11:35am
kaidoddragon wrote:
Lawrence won quali 20+ on 2nd and almost a minute on 3rd after his first good start of the season. He need to get a ride...
Lawrence won quali 20+ on 2nd and almost a minute on 3rd after his first good start of the season. He need to get a ride for next year.
Thanks for the update, now go get us a few photos of Leok's bike please! Unsure
kaidoddragon 9/16/2017 12:22pm
9/16/2017 12:22pm
kaidoddragon wrote:
Lawrence won quali 20+ on 2nd and almost a minute on 3rd after his first good start of the season. He need to get a ride...
Lawrence won quali 20+ on 2nd and almost a minute on 3rd after his first good start of the season. He need to get a ride for next year.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Thanks for the update, now go get us a few photos of Leok's bike please! Unsure
I'm not there. Wink
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philG 9/22/2017 2:46am
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Is the HSF team owned by HSF, or do they just bankroll it.. think Davy Stribos or John Van Der Berk was running it, maybe they get another sponsor and carry on.

Its a lot of riders going begging , they ran in MX2 , EMX250 and EMX125
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JMX82 9/22/2017 3:01am
9/22/2017 3:01am
Is Kemea Yamaha Factory effort or does this leave KTM and Husqvarna only factory teams in MX2? Is MX2 experiencing same fate as the old MX3 (Open) class and being slowly phased out?
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roninho 9/22/2017 3:53am
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Strijbos and vd Berk don't run it.
JVDB used to be a (fitness and riding) coach, not sure if he is still involved officially. At least a bit informal since Bogers is dating vdb's daughter.

Strijbos joined this season as a rider coach and isnt involved in the management.

All afaik

anyway a shame we lose HSF as a team. Think the injuries to Pootjes and Vlaanderen had a huge impact on the resultaat and exposure the team had this year. Read at the start of the season HSF wanted to get close to winning and having a title contender in 2018 in mx2. The lack of results surely didn't help the team id guess
Muscle-Milk-KTM 9/22/2017 4:34am
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roninho wrote:
Strijbos and vd Berk don't run it. JVDB used to be a (fitness and riding) coach, not sure if he is still involved officially. At least...
Strijbos and vd Berk don't run it.
JVDB used to be a (fitness and riding) coach, not sure if he is still involved officially. At least a bit informal since Bogers is dating vdb's daughter.

Strijbos joined this season as a rider coach and isnt involved in the management.

All afaik

anyway a shame we lose HSF as a team. Think the injuries to Pootjes and Vlaanderen had a huge impact on the resultaat and exposure the team had this year. Read at the start of the season HSF wanted to get close to winning and having a title contender in 2018 in mx2. The lack of results surely didn't help the team id guess
Also Dankers being pretty awful in EMX125.
RichardLoots 9/22/2017 5:48am
9/22/2017 5:48am
mpy wrote:
There is no more HSF MX2 team, they will become just a sponsor of the Honda factory MXGP team.
no more HSF MX2 team ? has there been a official announcment yet , or just rumours ?
last thing i read they were involved in HRC MXGP team , but if they run the team or whats going to happen with MX 2 team was not mentioned at all
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colonel 9/22/2017 9:33am
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philG wrote:
Is the HSF team owned by HSF, or do they just bankroll it.. think Davy Stribos or John Van Der Berk was running it, maybe they...
Is the HSF team owned by HSF, or do they just bankroll it.. think Davy Stribos or John Van Der Berk was running it, maybe they get another sponsor and carry on.

Its a lot of riders going begging , they ran in MX2 , EMX250 and EMX125
No Dave wasn't, he was just training on bike with Bogers and sometimes Pootjies. Johan had nothing to do with running either.

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MBR 9/22/2017 10:16am
9/22/2017 10:16am Edited Date/Time 9/23/2017 3:24am
Unfortunately HSF MX2 team is done for good.
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Motofinne 9/22/2017 10:55am
9/22/2017 10:55am Edited Date/Time 9/22/2017 10:56am
MBR wrote:
Unfortunately HSF MX2 team is done for good.
You are in the know when it comes to young riders in Europe and what it takes to make it through the EMX classes.

Looking at the horrendous MX2 team situation we have at the moment(+ the unbelievably stupid 23 year old rule), why even try. How many of the top EMX riders will ever get a chance to race on a good MX2 team?

Take a guy like Haavisto, you had him on your team for multiple years. The dude has lots of talent and seems to work hard. He got 12th this year in EMX250. He is 18 right? He has to "make it" next year if he wants to move up to a decent MX2 team and that is his goal? Haavisto is only one guy, there are 10 others.

What are your thoughts about this. Move to California. Make a deal with a MX holiday company(Vehviläinen) for a 10 month period. Ride the west SX races and try to fund the outdoors too. That can't be much more expensive than doing the EMX/GP thing and you get at least some kind of purse money.

All in all, the situation is looking dark for anyone of these young riders that go all in on making it as a professional. I think i did the right thing going to school and becoming an engineer.
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philG 9/22/2017 2:30pm
9/22/2017 2:30pm
The whole thing needs a reset, the paddock set ups are insane, money that could be saved or spent more wisely, Suzuki in Germany was huge , massively hospitality and everything , its all got to cost.

Maybe Stefan upset someone else ...
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kzizok 9/22/2017 2:33pm
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roninho wrote:
No factory team and just giving factory support to a team which has a good main sponsor and a good group of smaller sponsors isnt such...
No factory team and just giving factory support to a team which has a good main sponsor and a good group of smaller sponsors isnt such a bad idea.

If im in charge at an OEM i rather support a team that can actually pay a proven winner/podium finisher then run my own factory team but not having the means to sign a guy that can actually get some results.

Look at Suzuki and Everts, they spend a huge amount of money on their mxgp effort this year but didnt have the money to pay a rider who could win now and then. Seems like a waste of money to run mxgp factory team if you know up front that you are not going to win races.
Foreshadowing.
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MBR 9/22/2017 2:54pm
9/22/2017 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 9/23/2017 3:25am
Motofinne wrote:
You are in the know when it comes to young riders in Europe and what it takes to make it through the EMX classes. Looking at...
You are in the know when it comes to young riders in Europe and what it takes to make it through the EMX classes.

Looking at the horrendous MX2 team situation we have at the moment(+ the unbelievably stupid 23 year old rule), why even try. How many of the top EMX riders will ever get a chance to race on a good MX2 team?

Take a guy like Haavisto, you had him on your team for multiple years. The dude has lots of talent and seems to work hard. He got 12th this year in EMX250. He is 18 right? He has to "make it" next year if he wants to move up to a decent MX2 team and that is his goal? Haavisto is only one guy, there are 10 others.

What are your thoughts about this. Move to California. Make a deal with a MX holiday company(Vehviläinen) for a 10 month period. Ride the west SX races and try to fund the outdoors too. That can't be much more expensive than doing the EMX/GP thing and you get at least some kind of purse money.

All in all, the situation is looking dark for anyone of these young riders that go all in on making it as a professional. I think i did the right thing going to school and becoming an engineer.
Unfortunately I can't comment on this other than if everything goes as planned I'm moving to SoCal next month Wink
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skiz 9/22/2017 4:28pm
9/22/2017 4:28pm
Rowlands wrote:
The trouble with this is that the age rule spoils it for most riders,by the time they are up to speed and at the front of MX2 (like Patural and Lieber) it's time to move into the MXGP where they are lucky to get a ride and end up like Guillod and Tixier struggling to make top 15.
That is definitely a bummer for the individual riders that get aged out, but is it actually a bad thing for the sport.? Maybe its a good thing in the big picture. If a rider cant crack the MxGP top 10, then maybe staying in Mx2 isnt the best thing for the sport. Let the lesser talent age out and open up spots for new blood in Mx2. Let the next gen of youngsters have their chance at developing and then eventually take their shot at MxGP.

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