Full Season on 250f, whats next?

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12/17/2019 10:06 AM
Edited Date/Time: 12/17/2019 10:25 AM

I'm a 33yr old Intermediate rider, 185 lbs. Came back after 10 years out of the sport. Bought a 2017 RMZ250 last winter and rode MX practice every weekend from May - Nov (E-town, Millville). Trying to get a few more practice days in as we speak.

Spent the first month or two working on technique, arm pump, building confidence. Slowly progressed to clearing most obstacles (moved from C to Vet) etc. I feel fast and confident on the RMZ but maybe I want some more power?

Do I move up to a leftover 2019 KX450 or find the power in a 2019 250SXF? Both can be had for similar OTD price. I understand the bikes have two different power/weight/handling characteristics, just looking for some input prior to $8k purchase.

I had a 2006 CRF450 years ago and that thing gave me the worst arm pump on the track. I basically just rode it on trails after that. I didn't give the bike a full season to work through the technique of riding a 450 (gripping with knees, breathing technique etc).





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12/17/2019 10:08 AM

Keep the rmz or 250 2-stroke!

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12/17/2019 10:10 AM

What year RMZ

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12/17/2019 10:13 AM
Edited Date/Time: 12/17/2019 10:14 AM

seth505 wrote:

Keep the rmz or 250 2-stroke!

Hahaha thanks Seth, but zuke's gotta go. Need an upgrade

My buddy has a 2018 250sx with FC suspension. Love the bike but not a fan of the power delivery. Also, I've become accustomed to engine braking on the track. Not sure I can go back to two strokes (still have a 1994 RM125 I'm rebuilding).


My RMZ is a 2017 btw. Bought it as a leftover in Jan 19, for $5700 OTD. Great deal and great bike to get me back into the sport.

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12/17/2019 10:18 AM

Not sure what to recommend, but I say try something new. You are older and have a little more perspective now, so maybe a 450 would be a better experience this time around??

I just did my first full season in a while on a 250 two stroke. I'm about 185lbs and vet class as well. While it was fun, I couldn't help but feel a little under power and fatigued from trying to keep up with 450s. My technique could afford to get better but I'm not the worst. I've personally never owned a 450 before, but I'm planning on selling the smoker and trying 450 life next season.

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12/17/2019 10:22 AM

If you like the RMZ keep riding it. Only you will know what works for you. Some people (like myself) prefer small bore bikes. Others like to have power on tap, all what you're looking for.
I have the mentality that the bike is never holding me back or limiting me. My technique can always be improved. With that said sometimes it's fun just to change bikes up and try something new.

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12/17/2019 10:26 AM

Id go with the ktm 250sxf given what you described. Itll be a solid 5hp up on the rmz, better brakes, lighter, great move. And still be an easy to handle 250 that allows you to be aggressive.

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12/17/2019 10:56 AM

Orange or White 350 maybe?

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12/17/2019 11:02 AM

Rickyisms wrote:

Orange or White 350 maybe?

Corey, Trevor, smokes lets go.


Yea I dunno man, not sure I can get the same deal on the 350.

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12/17/2019 11:37 AM

For what you're looking for, it sounds like the 350 would be worth the extra cost...my 2 cents.

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12/17/2019 11:42 AM

For me, the 450 is just badass. It’s fun to ride and makes obstacles less intimidating. I’m a big guy (6’3 230) so hanging on isnt the biggest issue for me. Something about holding a 450 wide open in a sandy corner is badass.

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12/17/2019 11:50 AM

I'd go with the KX

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12/17/2019 11:53 AM

more rounds on a 250. been away a while you said. wouldnt hurt to stay in same power output more than a season. aint young as you once were,and even then,you indicated 450 arm pump.

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12/17/2019 12:03 PM

Get that KTM or a Yamaha 250F. It feels like a mini 450. I ride those same tracks and I’m your age, and I think the YZ250F is perfect. I used to race the B class when I was younger and I’m no slouch now, so I doubt you need a 450 if I’m out there having fun.

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12/17/2019 12:04 PM

seth505 wrote:

Keep the rmz or 250 2-stroke!

NJSuzuki86 wrote:

Hahaha thanks Seth, but zuke's gotta go. Need an upgrade

My buddy has a 2018 250sx with FC suspension. Love the bike but not a fan of the power delivery. Also, I've become accustomed to engine braking on the track. Not sure I can go back to two strokes (still have a 1994 RM125 I'm rebuilding).


My RMZ is a 2017 btw. Bought it as a leftover in Jan 19, for $5700 OTD. Great deal and great bike to get me back into the sport.

Cool, in that case I'd consider the new 250f and also consider a 350 for suuuuure.

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12/17/2019 12:21 PM

To me sometimes slower is better. I won’t ever buy a 450 because of how fast they are and I think it will get me less hard crashes/injuries. I rode my brothers yzf250 and its fast enough yet still manageble

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12/17/2019 12:22 PM

My vote goes to the 250SXF. Unless you're some sort of MX phenom, 4 months of weekend practice does not warrant a need for 450 power. The KX450 is not a forgiving bike like the 250SXF will be for someone in their first couple years of riding.

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12/17/2019 12:30 PM

2020 yz250f

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12/17/2019 1:09 PM

NJSuzuki86 wrote:

I'm a 33yr old Intermediate rider, 185 lbs. Came back after 10 years out of the sport. Bought a 2017 RMZ250 last winter and rode MX practice every weekend from May - Nov (E-town, Millville). Trying to get a few more practice days in as we speak.

Spent the first month or two working on technique, arm pump, building confidence. Slowly progressed to clearing most obstacles (moved from C to Vet) etc. I feel fast and confident on the RMZ but maybe I want some more power?

Do I move up to a leftover 2019 KX450 or find the power in a 2019 250SXF? Both can be had for similar OTD price. I understand the bikes have two different power/weight/handling characteristics, just looking for some input prior to $8k purchase.

I had a 2006 CRF450 years ago and that thing gave me the worst arm pump on the track. I basically just rode it on trails after that. I didn't give the bike a full season to work through the technique of riding a 450 (gripping with knees, breathing technique etc).





If it were me, I'd say save some cash and spend some more time developing your craft on what you already have. You have admitted you moved up to C class stature, and that's great! But, put in another at least half-season or more working on yourself. I wouldn't worry about needing more brute power until you can ride the wheels off what you already have. Use the B class as a goal, meaning with the bike you have, until you can hang with that group midpack or better, you are probably just fine bike-wise. Get more than just frequent practice days to gauge yourself, actual competitive motos over a few months, nothing beats "gate" time. If you insist on more power, do some mods to your current ride for far less money than a new bike right off the bat. You currently have plenty of bike to hone your skills on, use it to your advantage. There will always be new bikes, your craft can't be simply bought.. Power is nothing without skill to control it.... Good luck, enjoy and be safe.

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12/17/2019 1:24 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/17/2019 1:30 PM

No keep the bike and have fun with it the 17 RMZ has tons of potential in it. The bike is very easy to ride and won't wear you out like a 450 can.

A revalve on these psf2 forks and shock will go a long way in getting more of the power to the ground. Same with a fresh clutch on this bike!
It also responds great to big bores it will wake that motor up without sacrificing any reliability. Also there is a lot of room for improvement in the head with out changing out cams so no need for drastic cams changes that effect rebuild times.
Get the head ported and 5 angle valve cut and the cylinder decked. Decking the head will bump compression up a touch while still being able to use pump gas. You can find after market exhausts full system for cheap new and used.

If this was my bike and I almost bought one until I got a ridiculous deal on a 18 yz250f.

Suspension revalve: MX-techs shock revalve and the lucky kit is a spring kit that is as good as cone valves or one of the local shops revalve. $500-1400

Big bore cylinder works kit. The have the stock or a high compression piston option if you can get race gas. I ran on my previous big bore hc piston 2 gal race to 3 pump.
$ 450-550

Head work: tons of options here. I can recommend tons of company's but if you can't do a top end stay local or if you have a race tech shop they can do your head and cylinder for you. They also have a 20% off code. So head , deck hone would be 585- 20% so $468.

Used exhaust in great shape 300-500
Remap ecu 80-125

You can build a reliable motor that will flat out rip with kit forks revalved shock for less than 3k on a chassis that is the best at corners or you could just build a ripping motor for 1100 or less depending on what you do. Best of all you can sell the exhaust and big bore kit and get most of your money back. 4-700 of your back.

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12/17/2019 2:47 PM

I did essentially the same thing as you. Took 12 years off came back bought a 17 RMZ 250. Once I was fairly comfortable again and started racing it was apparent how slow the bike was. I put a 270 kit in it got the suspension revalved. It just wasnt enough. I switched to a Yz450 after debating an FC350 heavily and never looked back, started winning races moved up a class.

So I'd suggest ditch the RMZ and go 350 or 450. I used to hate the old 450s 2003-2006 hated them always rode my 250F more. Now the power is so smooth and manageable they don't feel nearly as cumbersome.

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12/18/2019 4:07 PM

Went with a 2019 250sxf boys. Thanks for the input!

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12/18/2019 4:17 PM

Nice, good call. I was going to suggest a faster 250F or a 350, but not a 450 if you felt the old CRF was too much for you. (I totally understand; they are too much for me for sure!)

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Braaapin' aint easy.

12/18/2019 6:19 PM

Crazy how similar our stories are. I bought an rmz 250 after a 10 year hiatus from moto (we’re about the same age). I also run weekend practice at Millville and etown. Last year I dumped the rmz for a 350 sxf and haven’t looked back. The rmz was a fun bike, but anything orange feels decades ahead (literally). You’re going to enjoy your purchase - just make sure you rev that bitch to the moon!

If you don’t mind me asking, how’d you fair OTD? I couldn’t get any NJ dealer to go any lower than $9,200 on the leftover 350 (quite a bit more than the $5,500 I paid for the rmz). I always thought it was high compared to what I’ve seen other guys buy for in other states, but I digress.

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Two wheels, tacos, and tubes

12/18/2019 6:24 PM

250f all day long. Much more enjoyable. You ride the bike instead of the bike riding you.

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12/19/2019 5:38 AM

Jersey boy checking in, congrats on the bike! Just in time for the cold weather to come in!

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12/20/2019 8:29 AM

austin_bo wrote:

Crazy how similar our stories are. I bought an rmz 250 after a 10 year hiatus from moto (we’re about the same age). I also run weekend practice at Millville and etown. Last year I dumped the rmz for a 350 sxf and haven’t looked back. The rmz was a fun bike, but anything orange feels decades ahead (literally). You’re going to enjoy your purchase - just make sure you rev that bitch to the moon!

If you don’t mind me asking, how’d you fair OTD? I couldn’t get any NJ dealer to go any lower than $9,200 on the leftover 350 (quite a bit more than the $5,500 I paid for the rmz). I always thought it was high compared to what I’ve seen other guys buy for in other states, but I digress.

Hey man.

Bought the bike for $8500 OTD, which isn't too bad. Although, I spent less on a brand new GSXR600 back in 2009 .

It's technically not a left over yet! Considering how expensive this thing is, I need to get the KTM skid plate.

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12/20/2019 11:49 AM

keep it!

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12/22/2019 11:13 AM

Is E-town open all winter? We live by Erie PA but go to Keasbey NJ a lot for work. I think the place we work out of is only 10 Mike's from E-town.

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12/22/2019 11:29 AM

Budds creek is ur best bet in winter within a driving distance. Bit warmer there compared to nj and opens way more often.

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