Flat front trailer vs V-nose 6x12

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9/21/2019 3:44 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/21/2019 3:45 PM

Much difference in mpg ?
I can get a really good deal on an all aluminum ATC Trailer but it’s a flat front. Dealership let me do 25 mile test drive and I averaged 10.7 mpg... Could I expect much more with a v-nose ?

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9/21/2019 3:59 PM

Don’t know how true this is but I was told by a dealer that v-nose will give you a little bit less mpg because it has 2 surfaces in the front instead of 1 flat surface. Guess it causes more wind resistance. Never had a v-nose so I can’t confirm or deny this.

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9/21/2019 4:47 PM

Get a sprinter van aka a moto van. You'll never regret it.

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9/21/2019 5:20 PM

Holly shit, what do you get without it?

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9/21/2019 5:22 PM

zippytech wrote:

Holly shit, what do you get without it?

20 give or take.

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9/21/2019 5:22 PM

Airplanes don’t have flat noses...... or wings.

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9/21/2019 5:28 PM

I have a V nose 6x12, plus it has a torsional axle so the ride height is lower. Don’t know what it is but it’s an absolute anchor to pull

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9/21/2019 5:48 PM

beamer wrote:

I have a V nose 6x12, plus it has a torsional axle so the ride height is lower. Don’t know what it is but it’s an absolute anchor to pull

Goes for all trailers. I have a kendon trailer I use to tow my Harley from time to time. The trailer only weighs 300lbs, and the bike weighs 850lbs, towing those two with a Tacoma V6 pickup is kinda a pita.
For dirt bikes I just throw them in my bed and tie them down.

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9/21/2019 5:49 PM

500 Mike wrote:

Airplanes don’t have flat noses...... or wings.

Correct, but everything about a plane is sleek and aerodynamic.

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9/21/2019 5:54 PM

beamer wrote:

I have a V nose 6x12, plus it has a torsional axle so the ride height is lower. Don’t know what it is but it’s an absolute anchor to pull

Fabtechprerunner wrote:

Goes for all trailers. I have a kendon trailer I use to tow my Harley from time to time. The trailer only weighs 300lbs, and the bike weighs 850lbs, towing those two with a Tacoma V6 pickup is kinda a pita.
For dirt bikes I just throw them in my bed and tie them down.

I just sold my toy hauler so hauling around 2 50s, a 450, gear and typical race day shit is pretty tough in my f150.
I originally went and looked at a 5x12 enclosed and quickly decided that would get old real quick since I’m 6’1”.

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9/21/2019 6:22 PM

I had a 6 x12 flat nose trailer and it cut my gas mileage in half. I think a v nose would definitely improve your mpg. I was using a F150 with a v8 and it felt like I was pulling a giant billboard. Maybe someone else know for sure.

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9/21/2019 6:31 PM

theres no way a v nose would give less mpg/resistance, put ya hand out the window next time you driving, flat hand vs V no comparison

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9/21/2019 7:25 PM

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9/21/2019 9:49 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/21/2019 9:55 PM

hands down get the v if you are looking between two. the extra room only, while not like getting 2-3' more foot of full width space, is nice. build out a table/gear/parts organizer there.

per the mpg, cutting in half is intense. i see about 30% reduction on a later model full size (chev tahoe, v8). i can see a v6/small v8 having more issues. hauler rear end gears also factor in. speed greatly matters too, ie if you are running 65-70 vs 75-80

i have a basic understanding of physics, but no way the flat is going to get better mpg than a v. it's not the surface area/ie surface friction thats causing drag, its the wind resistance. a flat trailer front is basically like pulling a parachute. know who would know? semi trailer makers. look at any newer big rig for what works.

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9/21/2019 10:03 PM

V Nose will not net you any better MPG, but it does keep your trailer straight and you wont need a stabilizer. The MPG killer is the tail

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9/22/2019 5:26 AM

I have 7x14, tandem axle, my ram 1500 gets 10mpg towing, with out between 17 and 19, it's a half ton gas engine, I personally like the v nose, my trailer is steel frame, next one will be aluminum, weight helps quite a bit with mpg.

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9/22/2019 5:35 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/22/2019 7:29 AM

dpalmer wrote:

V Nose will not net you any better MPG, but it does keep your trailer straight and you wont need a stabilizer. The MPG killer is the tail

^ This. The problem is the rear, not the front. Theres a reason some tractors use aero panel skirts and rear tail fairs / boat tails.

https://slate.com/culture/2013/04/truck-panels-what-do-they-do-explained-photos.html


This has been argued ad nauseum on every imaginable forum. You will find just as many people who say the flat front tows better and is more stable as you will the V-nose. All of which are opinion and based on zero science. How many 18 wheelers you see out there pulling a V shaped trailer? None. Think about that. They use a rounded flat nose. But dont let that fact get in the way of bubba logic from Vitards.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+a+v+front+trailer+do+better+than+a+flat+front&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS776US776&oq=does+a+v+front+trailer+do+better+than+a+flat+front&aqs=chrome..69i57.11500j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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9/22/2019 5:41 AM

V-nose is better than a flat front. You will get better gas mileage towing, but you do lose a little space. But in the end it's worth it.

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9/22/2019 5:55 AM

500 Mike wrote:

Airplanes don’t have flat noses...... or wings.

Airplanes do, in fact, have wings.

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9/22/2019 6:54 AM

The trailers I’ve seen have the V as an add on to the length, so get the V for more space.
If you’re looking for MPG as stated above you would have the V at the back!

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9/22/2019 7:19 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/22/2019 7:23 AM

zippytech wrote:

Holly shit, what do you get without it?

49weasel wrote:

20 give or take.

Enclosed trailers KILL your gas mileage. I got 18-20 in our old Suburban w/out and 10 w/ a 6x12 enclosed. I get 22-24 out of my '15 Chevy 1500 w/out and 10-12 pulling a small light toy hauler. Chevy 2500 6.0 engine- 15 w/out, 10 w/ the toy hauler. All of them pull great... the gas mileage just plummets. We just got a used Ford F250 SD with the V10... gonna see how it does with the toy hauler in a few weeks.

I read up a LOT on the V nose vs flat nose and about the only difference I could find is that the V gives you that extra room up front. VERY few people have towed the same size/weight trailer with the same truck and compared V vs no-V except a few dealers who were moving trailers.

One comment that came up a lot was the side wind resistance.... flat nose SEEM to be a little better.

Given my choice, I'd take the V for the extra room but I wouldn't turn down a flat-nose at a great price. Not at all.

In the end, I bought a KZ 180TH toy hauler for trips and continue to use my 6.x9 flatbed for local hauling.

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9/22/2019 7:30 AM

500 Mike wrote:

Airplanes don’t have flat noses...... or wings.

49weasel wrote:

Correct, but everything about a plane is sleek and aerodynamic.

His point being... a v nose will cause less drag than a flat front therefore get better mpg every time.

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9/22/2019 7:47 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/22/2019 7:50 AM

dpalmer wrote:

V Nose will not net you any better MPG, but it does keep your trailer straight and you wont need a stabilizer. The MPG killer is the tail

JAFO92 wrote:

^ This. The problem is the rear, not the front. Theres a reason some tractors use aero panel skirts and rear tail fairs / boat tails.

https://slate.com/culture/2013/04/truck-panels-what-do-they-do-explained-photos.html


This has been argued ad nauseum on every imaginable forum. You will find just as many people who say the flat front tows better and is more stable as you will the V-nose. All of which are opinion and based on zero science. How many 18 wheelers you see out there pulling a V shaped trailer? None. Think about that. They use a rounded flat nose. But dont let that fact get in the way of bubba logic from Vitards.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+a+v+front+trailer+do+better+than+a+flat+front&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS776US776&oq=does+a+v+front+trailer+do+better+than+a+flat+front&aqs=chrome..69i57.11500j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

When in a straight line the trailer of a semi is meant to become part of its aerodynamics so a flat front makes sense because the body of a semi blocks any air from actually hitting the flat facing front. That's why so many have the spoiler above the cab to reach trailer height. Someone driving a pickup truck and towing a trailer does not have a vehicle set up to channel the air directly over the trailer so the front facing portion of the trailer is more susceptible to drag because the vehicle is not tall enough and close enough to channel the air to the top of the trailer.

No one will ever convince me that a v nose is less efficient than a flat front for a class C vehicle. If you put a v nose trailer on a semi of course it's going to cause more drag. Based on the semi's design you're increasing the amount of side surfaces that the air is going to hit which causes more drag. It's the exact opposite for a class C vehicle. They're designed to be aerodynamic by themselves so when you tow something the air is going over the vehicle as intended but then HITTING the trailer and not going over it. The v would allow this drag to be decreased. A hot knife through butter as the expression goes.

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9/22/2019 11:43 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/22/2019 11:43 AM

I have a 6x12 flat front and tow it with a 2016 Yukon XL. The inside of the trailer has a full tool box, shelves, and I haul 2 big bikes (125/250) I get 15mpg towing around our neck of the woods (Ohio) but trips down south to Club MX or any of the NC tracks in the fall, it will get between 10-12 mpg. For reference, I drive the Yukon for my DD and it will get 20-22 all day. I am not a lead foot so I throw it on cruise about 2-3 mph over the speed limit and stay in the right lane.

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9/22/2019 3:08 PM

49weasel wrote:

Much difference in mpg ?
I can get a really good deal on an all aluminum ATC Trailer but it’s a flat front. Dealership let me do 25 mile test drive and I averaged 10.7 mpg... Could I expect much more with a v-nose ?

I have 7x16 V nose and I get around 10mgp towing it.
For a 6x12, I wouldn't imagine there would be a noticeable difference at all unless you're driving across the country. Even then, it would be extremely difficult to quantify due to variables.
I'd personally opt for the V nose unless the price on the standard is too good to pass up.

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9/22/2019 7:01 PM

If you actually look at fluid dynamics, think, air behaves as a fluid, then there are so many numerous factors that play into mpg...without using any mumbo jumbo, there is no 'right answer' on which trailer will result in a higher fuel economy... it is all depending on heights of the truck/trailer combo, amount of objects in the bed, angle of the V etc. basically, get what you think your truck can tow and get a decent deal on IMO.

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9/22/2019 7:36 PM

What motor and gearing in your f150?

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9/22/2019 7:52 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/22/2019 7:56 PM

I have a 2016 F150 4x4 CC 6.5ft bed 3.5L ecoboost. Truck gets about 21-22 unloaded going 75. I own a 16’ flat nose for hunting and hauling my Rhino and a 29’ V-nose for snowmobiling. Both are about the same weight as the 16’ is a little more heavy duty and both are 6.5’ tall which is taller than my truck. On the interstate going 75 I get about 12 with the V-nose and 10 with the flat nose. The truck is terrible with side wind loads with both trailers because it is so light but in a straight line the V-nose is definitely less noticeable with head winds.

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9/22/2019 7:55 PM

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9/22/2019 10:06 PM

Ours is a semi short "slant" nose i guess ? Sometimes I tow it with my Tundra. Diesel with Camper or Tundra doesn't matter, it's 2 miles less per gallon with either set up.


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