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Ok so basically I want to Film moto as a side hobby/2ndary income if possible (moto will be main, but other sports as well) with that said I'm not looking for any old camera, I want it to be Cinematic.
I did some googling and the general consensus is film with a gopro, I already have two of those and it's still not exactly the quality I want.
I was looking at a:
Z CAM E2-S6 Super 35 6K Cinema, 2500$
Or
Black Magic pocket cinema 6k pro, 2499$
Or
Something cheaper that I just don't know about.
Anyway any help will be greatly appreciated.
I did some googling and the general consensus is film with a gopro, I already have two of those and it's still not exactly the quality I want.
I was looking at a:
Z CAM E2-S6 Super 35 6K Cinema, 2500$
Or
Black Magic pocket cinema 6k pro, 2499$
Or
Something cheaper that I just don't know about.
Anyway any help will be greatly appreciated.
The two cameras you've listed are great but require a pretty solid knowledge in post production work i.e. color correcting in order to make them worth while.
I would say buy a GH5 and spend the extra money on a proper lens. That is what sets a lot of video work apart.
I Googled the Lumix and it seems like a bargain compared to some of the other stuff I seen lol.
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Good luck!
Lens wise I’d suggest 70-200 and 24-70. The Sigma art series less as less expensive than Canon and just as good,if not better IMO.
But back to camera, black magic will give you more slow motion options and have the feel of using something closer to a RED camera. GH5 is great and A7s is great also, just less slow motion options beside real-time and 60p.
In the end starting with the right gear is great, but how you shoot will be 90% of it. So get something you can afford and just start cranking away, you can always upgrade later when you out grow it.
As far as cameras go, the ones you listed, in my unprofessional opinion, are AWESOME. However, the others that have posted on here have mentioned some good cameras that are less expensive and would be good options like the GH5 that Robotsfrom mentioned. You could also save extra money by buying a good used camera on FB marketplace as well. Look at low end cameras and then youtube them. There are some cool videos of videographers challenging themselves with using low end cameras and creating really nice video them just to prove that you don't need a $5k camera to create good video.
With practice you can make a low end camera look good, and once you get really good, you can make a nice camera look spectacular. The point being here is, work on YOU before you jump knee deep into a $5,000 camera setup.
I'll be using FCPX on a Mac once I get started. I guess I'll watch tutorials on how to setup the libraries/etc, but before I start importing I would like to start culling video clips to save disk space. Here's a few questions I have for the video editors:
1. If I have 30 second clips that I only want to keep 3-5 seconds from, how do you trim that clip and delete the rest of the clip for good before you import into FCP? I shot some massive R5 4K 120fps clips recently and I want to trim those clips down to save hundreds of gigs of HD space. is there an easy way to do this before opening FCPX? I believe FCPX will just keep all clips in place and only show the portions of the clip you highlight for your project.
2. If I'm shooting video with R5 and R6 and I have a mixture of R5 4k 60 & 120 and R6 1080p 120, can these be edited together to look good even though the R6 120 was shot in 1080?
3. Do you guys have any good recommendations for folder structure templates on how to setup your libraries? Meaning, if you were starting from scratch how would you organize your video files and folder structures before you open FCP or Premiere?
4.I shoot very shallow DOF so if you are supposed to use the 180 degree rule for video then I'm assuming you are all using a ton of ND filters for video when using large apertures correct?
Just transcode, edit, and then re-link to the higher res footage and output to whatever format you want with compressor.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSW69tWH__L/?utm_medium=copy_link
Two gripes: I bought an extra long lens with it, but I wish I had sprung for a stabilized lens instead. I don’t have the steadiest hands, so shooting freehand is pretty rough and it doesn’t have internal stabilization, and using a tripod at the track frankly sucks. Also, because it’s a point and shoot, I find it a bit awkward to handle compared to a true camcorder shaped video cam. Good news is these can be addressed by spending a bit of $$$$ on a new lens and some housing with more helpful handles. Good luck! You really can’t go wrong with the choices you’ve listed imo, if I had the money to blow I would go for a true video cam but the DSLRs can do the job no problem.
Full discloser, I only use Media Composer and it will do all of what I mentioned. Resolve is the second best option in my opinion because of it's built in color correction abilities.
FCP
Adobe Premiere
Avid Media Composer
DaVinci Resolve
Which one do you think is the easiest for someone getting started?
Here is a link to Media Composer First. It's limited in what it can do with transitions and VFX, but it is rock solid. Resolve has much better color correction tools.
https://my.avid.com/get/media-composer-first
Depending on what you expect your clientele to be, the BMPCC is a great camera but the turnaround time on color correction/grading will add quite a bit of time. Not great if you're starting off doing event-based content that requires a quicker turnaround time. For example, if you shot Lorettas and needed to get stuff out the same day.
Turn around time also goes into having a camera/computer hardware that requires you to create proxies. Creating proxies is a pretty time-consuming task depending on how much you shoot in a day. I overshoot on the b-roll side of things and creating proxies is a hassle for me. So I've found the right combo of camera codec/computer hardware to make sure I dont get bogged down on that side of things.
If you're limited on budget, I would suggest buying a used GH5 body (less than $800 now) and use any extra money you may have on lenses. A 70-200 and a wider angle, 16-35, 17-40, etc is a must-have starting out. Plus, you mentioned being a rookie and a micro 4/3 like the GH5 is a pretty forgiving camera and it produces great video still.
Sites like lensauthority.com and lensrentals.com are great places to find used equipment. Safer than buying off of eBay.
Get a Sony A7sIII, or a Sony FX3 (basically the same camera, but the FX3 is more video focused). Sony Autofocus is a step above everyone else.
I edit in FCPX on an M1 Mac and it handles 4k footage from the a7sIII with ease. if you don't have an M1 Mac, then listen to avidchimp and use proxy files to edit.
I have an adobe subscription now, however i do have Cyberlink PowerDirector which i used for a couple of mtb edits lol, But part of me doesn't believe anybody trying to make good cinematic clips uses that program.
I really like you guys idea of getting a cheaper camera and a better lenses, I just want to make sure i get something that has growth potential as i gain knowledge.
Thankyou all for the information so far, Im all aboard for Good Shaped Used Cameras so if anybody sees or knows anything let me know.
With that said, the R6 has the same AF system as the R5 for much less $$$, so you are getting a very good AF system for video at the $2100 price point.
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