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12/14/2018 7:43 PM

19’ 450sx class

Top 5:
Tomac
Anderson
Musquin
Roczen
Barcia

Top 10:
Webb
Osbourne
Savatgy
Baggett
Plessinger

Top 15:
Seely
Wilson
Hill
Peick
Brayton

Top 20:
Reed
Malcolm
Bogle
Friese
Bloss

Obviously interchangeable its just a list but I tried to get it fairly close to what I thought the lineup is. At least enough to be interchangeable within each group of 5. No list will ever be accurate or agreed upon but holy jeezus this is a stacked class. There is not a ringer or a nobody within the top 20. I remember when just outside the top 10 youd start to get no name guys. That large chunk of 250 riders moving up really made this class what its supposed to be (the premier class). Imagine when Jeremy Martin Moves up? Cianciarulo? Not a who lot of chances to win for a long time the way it is now. Obviously injuries will thin it out but this is stacked.

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12/14/2018 7:46 PM

Fixed it

Top 5:
Tomac
Anderson
Musquin
Roczen
Seely

Top 10:
Barcia
Hill
Brayton
Webb
Baggett

Top 15:
Plessinger
Savatgy
Osborne
Wilson
Reed

Top 20:
Mookie
Peick
Bloss
Brogle
Freise

but I agree

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12/14/2018 7:56 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/14/2018 8:01 PM

Thats whats so crazy about this. Your list still has Plessinger and Osborne, the 2 most dominant recent 250 riders plus Savatgy another one as 15-18th place riders in this class. Thats insaneeee. You never would have seen that...ever. Im not arguing either I think your is pretty good too. Obviously both of them could do very well any given night, but so can a whole lot of other riders. This is going to be incredible. Whoever wins this year is reallllly accomplishing something huge. Seely is coming off a massive injury and a lot of time off and Osborne rode very well this winter thats why I dropped him down.

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12/14/2018 7:58 PM

drt410 wrote:

Thats whats so crazy about this. Your list still has Plessinger and Osborne, the 2 most dominant recent 250 riders plus Savatgy another one as 15-18th place riders in this class. Thats insaneeee. You never would have seen that...ever. Im not arguing either I think your is pretty good too. Obviously both of them could do very well any given night, but so can a whole lot of other riders. This is going to be incredible. Whoever wins this year is reallllly accomplishing something huge. Seely is coming off a massive injury and a lot of time off and Osborne rode very well this winter thats why I dropped him down.

I was just toying around with you, it's honestly going to come down to starts. This will be a start 15th you might not get deep into the top 10 kind of year, except for those top 5 guys, but there's no 15th to 3rd rides this year, unless you're Eli.

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12/14/2018 8:05 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/14/2018 8:14 PM

Yea this will be the year of the starts. These guys are going to be riding outdoors also so that equals a stacked mx class next year as well. Off topic here but Hunter Lawrence and Covington coming over really ups the 250 talent level as well. Things are really looking good for the level of talent in the US in both classes. Weve never seen anything like this and it all happened over this off season with all the established top 250 guys minus Martin moving up and then top talent coming over from over seas. The Lawrence bros seem to be known as the future of motocross and its awesome they chose our series. Jo Shimoda and MANY MANY more top prospects are also moving up to Pro within a couple years and another wave of talent is going to hit.

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12/14/2018 8:07 PM

Wait until round 5 when half the field is injured

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12/14/2018 8:18 PM

We have these posts every year and every year 3 or 4 guys week in amd week out crush it while the rest do zilch

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12/14/2018 8:23 PM

yz133rider wrote:

We have these posts every year and every year 3 or 4 guys week in amd week out crush it while the rest do zilch

There's no doubt that each year the field gets deeper and deeper. It's up to the riders themselves to stay healthy and treat us to good racing all season.

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12/14/2018 8:32 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/14/2018 8:35 PM

yz133rider wrote:

We have these posts every year and every year 3 or 4 guys week in amd week out crush it while the rest do zilch

Yea... because It gets more stacked every year. Osbourne, Savatgy, Plessinger adds 2 more multi time champions and Savatgy who was right there and 1 block pass away from one to the class. 1 multi time champ is a good addition we have 2 plus Savatgy in 1 off season. Roczen was just coming back off his injury last year... hes since won a couple times in MX, then Webb going to KTM and Aldon Baker... yea its friggin stacked. I forgot Vital bitches a lot lol...

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12/14/2018 8:32 PM

yz133rider wrote:

We have these posts every year and every year 3 or 4 guys week in amd week out crush it while the rest do zilch

Exactly this. Every damn year there's a thread saying how stacked the class is and it never works out any different.

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12/14/2018 8:49 PM

It does tho... we had Anderson win the sx class last year, when everyone thought itd be Eli or Marv. Someone outside of the shoe ins won because... it was stacked. Its even more stacked this year which is obvious by the riders who moved up, if you dont see that then idk what to say. It said most stacked top 20 ever? Not sure how anyone can argue its not. Injuries happen, thats why the more top tier riders you have the better the racing will stay throughout the series so its a good thing.

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12/14/2018 9:02 PM

I'm counting 8 riders in that field that have at least one premier class win. The most interesting thing to me though is seeing how the guys moving up will do.

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12/14/2018 9:31 PM

Late 90s early 2000 was more stacked imo ,

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12/14/2018 9:35 PM

yz133rider wrote:

We have these posts every year and every year 3 or 4 guys week in amd week out crush it while the rest do zilch

woody woodpecker wrote:

Exactly this. Every damn year there's a thread saying how stacked the class is and it never works out any different.

Plus will always put guys like Bryton and pieck as top 15 guy s, then every year , they always hover around the top 5 , and guy with loads of hype end up with feck all top 5 or 10 s , ie mookie. I seen so many threads here saying he could win

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12/14/2018 9:55 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/14/2018 9:55 PM

Savatgy Osborne and Plessinger is already 3 more very fast people in the class now when your talking about just top 5s. Eli, Marvin, Anderson, Kenny, Barcia, Seely, Baggett, Webb... Thats 11 people. The point is even with injuries there should be plenty of people to keep the series interesting. The addition of 2 multi time champions is big, then a top 2 finisher as well. 3 people is a big addition when theres already a lot of fast guys and you start talking about top 5. 1 guy is 1 thing 3 is something else. If JMart had moved it would have been even crazier. Regardless of injuries that doesnt change the fact that this line up of guys who are now in the 450 class is crazy.

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12/14/2018 10:08 PM

brimx153 wrote:

Late 90s early 2000 was more stacked imo ,

I was going to disagree, but looking at the results from A1 in 1999 is pretty stacked.

Lusk
Pichon
LaRocco
Windham
Dowd
Carmichael
McGrath
Emig
Lamson
Huffman
Ferry
Sellards
Vuillemin
Button
Lawrence
Albertyn
Tortelli
Ward
Reynard
Roncada

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12/14/2018 10:33 PM

How about this lineup from Anaheim 1982, 11 National Champs

1 Hansen
2 Ward
3 OMara
4 Schultz
5 Hannah
6 Johnson
7 Glover
8 Gibson
9 Barnett
10 Chandler
11 Benolkin
12 Reid
13 Martin
14 Sun
15 Liles
16 Turner
17 Howerton
18 Keylon
19 Holland
20 Myerscough

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RIP Danny "Magoo" Chandler 1959-2010

12/14/2018 10:59 PM

Webb is so painfully overrated.. he may turn things around being on KTM but it amazes me how high everyone seems to rank him

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12/14/2018 11:30 PM

drt410 wrote:

It does tho... we had Anderson win the sx class last year, when everyone thought itd be Eli or Marv. Someone outside of the shoe ins won because... it was stacked. Its even more stacked this year which is obvious by the riders who moved up, if you dont see that then idk what to say. It said most stacked top 20 ever? Not sure how anyone can argue its not. Injuries happen, thats why the more top tier riders you have the better the racing will stay throughout the series so its a good thing.

Anderson got lucky that marv and tomac both missed rounds. Tomac was leading a1 and running away easily and lost it. Gave up 50 points there and the next weekend. Anderson cruised into it even more then dungey ever has.

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12/15/2018 12:55 AM

drt410 wrote:

It does tho... we had Anderson win the sx class last year, when everyone thought itd be Eli or Marv. Someone outside of the shoe ins won because... it was stacked. Its even more stacked this year which is obvious by the riders who moved up, if you dont see that then idk what to say. It said most stacked top 20 ever? Not sure how anyone can argue its not. Injuries happen, thats why the more top tier riders you have the better the racing will stay throughout the series so its a good thing.

yz133rider wrote:

Anderson got lucky that marv and tomac both missed rounds. Tomac was leading a1 and running away easily and lost it. Gave up 50 points there and the next weekend. Anderson cruised into it even more then dungey ever has.

So what you're trying to say is that there should be an * next to Anderson's name in the record books?

There's no such thing as an asterisk next to anyone's name in the record books. Everyone needs to line up at round 1 to stand a chance at a title. Injuries, mechanicals, etc. are all part of the sport.

It's not Anderson's fault the other guys missed races, had poor finishes, mechanicals, etc. That's out of his control. Simply put, he was the better/smarter rider this year and was rewarded with a 450SX title.

Will he have the same kind of success in 2019? Only time will tell.

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12/15/2018 12:58 AM

drt410 wrote:

It does tho... we had Anderson win the sx class last year, when everyone thought itd be Eli or Marv. Someone outside of the shoe ins won because... it was stacked. Its even more stacked this year which is obvious by the riders who moved up, if you dont see that then idk what to say. It said most stacked top 20 ever? Not sure how anyone can argue its not. Injuries happen, thats why the more top tier riders you have the better the racing will stay throughout the series so its a good thing.

yz133rider wrote:

Anderson got lucky that marv and tomac both missed rounds. Tomac was leading a1 and running away easily and lost it. Gave up 50 points there and the next weekend. Anderson cruised into it even more then dungey ever has.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

So what you're trying to say is that there should be an * next to Anderson's name in the record books?

There's no such thing as an asterisk next to anyone's name in the record books. Everyone needs to line up at round 1 to stand a chance at a title. Injuries, mechanicals, etc. are all part of the sport.

It's not Anderson's fault the other guys missed races, had poor finishes, mechanicals, etc. That's out of his control. Simply put, he was the better/smarter rider this year and was rewarded with a 450SX title.

Will he have the same kind of success in 2019? Only time will tell.

No hes the champ. Im just saying Drt's claim of a super deep field and using anderson winning as proof is kinda a crock.

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12/15/2018 12:59 AM

From first post, I count 14 riders with championships. I feel bad for privateers this year.

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12/15/2018 1:19 AM

yz133rider wrote:

We have these posts every year and every year 3 or 4 guys week in amd week out crush it while the rest do zilch

drt410 wrote:

Yea... because It gets more stacked every year. Osbourne, Savatgy, Plessinger adds 2 more multi time champions and Savatgy who was right there and 1 block pass away from one to the class. 1 multi time champ is a good addition we have 2 plus Savatgy in 1 off season. Roczen was just coming back off his injury last year... hes since won a couple times in MX, then Webb going to KTM and Aldon Baker... yea its friggin stacked. I forgot Vital bitches a lot lol...

And Justin Hill is also a 250 champ, don’t forget that he’s a upcoming rookie too.
I think he will do better than the others but time will tell.
Really exited for the 2019 season.

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12/15/2018 3:10 AM

I mentioned this in the Bogle thread already.
On paper it looks like a stacked field. By round 4 or 5 everyone will accept and settle into there places for the rest of the season. Seems like everyone just gives up and shooting for a top 10 is the goal.

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12/15/2018 4:38 AM

TG130 wrote:

How about this lineup from Anaheim 1982, 11 National Champs

1 Hansen
2 Ward
3 OMara
4 Schultz
5 Hannah
6 Johnson
7 Glover
8 Gibson
9 Barnett
10 Chandler
11 Benolkin
12 Reid
13 Martin
14 Sun
15 Liles
16 Turner
17 Howerton
18 Keylon
19 Holland
20 Myerscough

'82-'83 for sure

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12/15/2018 4:49 AM

Talisker wrote:

I mentioned this in the Bogle thread already.
On paper it looks like a stacked field. By round 4 or 5 everyone will accept and settle into there places for the rest of the season. Seems like everyone just gives up and shooting for a top 10 is the goal.

Gonna be a tough battle if you want a top ten. Thats what should keep it interesting, your gonna have to go for it, or youll end up wayy wayyyy back. Theres not gonna be any settle in for a 5th. The best part is that with the usual injuries theres enough people to keep it highly competitive, where sometimes its not.

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12/15/2018 7:46 AM

yz133rider wrote:

We have these posts every year and every year 3 or 4 guys week in amd week out crush it while the rest do zilch

woody woodpecker wrote:

Exactly this. Every damn year there's a thread saying how stacked the class is and it never works out any different.

Don’t open the thread then. This isn’t a thread about top 4 guys and injury’s, it’s about how much talent we have within the top 20 to start.

This is a forum for god sakes. People are excited for A1 okay?

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12/15/2018 7:55 AM

That is what is awesome about this sport. Every year we do the same thing, and get super excited drooling over new bike liveries, riders etc. When you look back and find dominant riders.... I think everyone can attest that some of the best riders in history have resumes that can not compete with that of a lesser skilled rider. But when the gate drops the BS stops. Pumped as always for a new year. Hoping Bam Bam, Reedy, Wilson, Roczen all kill it in the four five O's. Like always, somehow, the 250's provide the most excitement throughout the season!

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12/15/2018 8:02 AM

blockhead17 wrote:

Webb is so painfully overrated.. he may turn things around being on KTM but it amazes me how high everyone seems to rank him

I Disagree, i do agree he had a bad couple years, and needs to get his mojo back, But i dont think you can be that Dominant in the 250 class (and its not just once)
And then not be good anymore, The KTM is lighter and more agile and if he gels with it and gets his mojo back,
The skys the Limit imo

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12/15/2018 8:04 AM

blockhead17 wrote:

Webb is so painfully overrated.. he may turn things around being on KTM but it amazes me how high everyone seems to rank him

Tarz483 wrote:

I Disagree, i do agree he had a bad couple years, and needs to get his mojo back, But i dont think you can be that Dominant in the 250 class (and its not just once)
And then not be good anymore, The KTM is lighter and more agile and if he gels with it and gets his mojo back,
The skys the Limit imo

Everyone is on the Webb is the next Damon Bradshaw hype train, but as soon as he does bad they all blame that piece of shit Yamaha that Reed struggled on, then he leaves for the best team in the sport and those same people are trying to say he's going to be at the same level? I don't think Webb wins the title, but he's going to be in that "next group" more often than not.

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