Fantic/Yamaha 2t's best the field of Factory 250 4t's in Italian Championship, New 125 2t rumored??

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3/8/2021 7:37 AM

Fantic leads the 250 and the 125 class. Impressive stuff!

https://mxvice.com/all-results-alghero-ita/

A win and a 2nd so far for Nicholas Lapucci! Surely credit also goes to Jan Witteveen the famous tuner.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMILycCgHTO/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CL43C-Jh6YH/

Motofinne:
"During the 125 moto the commentator said to Rinaldi in a slightly funny way that he has heard rumors about Yamaha coming out with a new 125 engine, Rinaldi answered that he doesn't know anything about something like that. Then the commentator laughed and basically said "oh, well those are the rumors that i have heard" and Rinaldi finally said "i have heard them too".

It's really difficult to put that conversation to text. But with the tone they talked and with the tone he answered the commentator, it was pretty easy to read between the lines that something is coming in the future."

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3/8/2021 9:01 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/8/2021 10:56 AM

Yamaha just needs to cut the check for whatever designs/tooling Fantic have put together on their cylinder and bodywork, and fold it into the YZ.

Let the Italian company be their subsidized-by-branded-sales R&D house, and keep that blue dinosaur alive for another decade.

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3/8/2021 10:17 AM

If Yamaha is building a new 125- and hopefully a 250 2stroke- how many years will it take for the Austrian Company to get back on that Level???

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3/8/2021 10:57 AM

Dirty Points wrote:

Yamaha just needs to cut the check for whatever designs/tooling Fantic have put together on their cylinder and bodywork, and ...more

I’d buy a Fantic if they were in the US.

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3/8/2021 11:46 AM

I will say it again i would pay good money to look in those yz cylinders tuned by Jan Witteveen, those bikes seem to have super great bottom but will still rev very far.

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3/8/2021 12:21 PM

If Yamaha is going to improve anything it should be the weird old school ergos. The rider triangle is 1990’s. At 5’ 10” switching from modern brands like KTM and Honda to the YZ it’s just bizarre, wouldn’t know where to start to fix it. 🤷🏾‍♂️

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3/8/2021 12:24 PM

In regards to handling, is the 250f chassis better than the 125 chassis?
If so, is the 250f chassis to big to slot a 125 into?

Would it be fairly simple for Yamaha to slot an updated 125 engine into late model 250f chassis?

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3/8/2021 2:56 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/8/2021 3:04 PM

RCMXracing wrote:

If Yamaha is going to improve anything it should be the weird old school ergos. The rider triangle is 1990’s. At 5’ 10” ...more

The Fantic has new bodywork that purports modern-style ergos. Different seat/tank/shrouds with a narrower, flatter junction. Different top clamp with different bars.

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3/8/2021 4:15 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/8/2021 4:16 PM

curious....what’s a 2t or 4t?

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3/8/2021 4:56 PM

2T - 4T:

2- 4Tempi / 2- 4Takt, and a variety of other languages are out there that describe the ICE formats. There's more than just English out there on our planet.

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3/8/2021 5:05 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/8/2021 5:11 PM

inthebadboycorner wrote:

In regards to handling, is the 250f chassis better than the 125 chassis?
If so, is the 250f chassis to big to slot a 125 into? ...more

If blokes can shoe horn all sorts of engines into all sorts of chassis, in their sheds, Yamaha ( and every other Japanese manufacturer, if they wanted to make a bit of money from their old 2t engines) could easily fit their 2ts into 4t chassis. It's absolutely the most basic of engineering tasks. And a 125 in the 250 4t chassis, well, I can't think of anything easier, given how small 125 engines are.

Me - I'm not sure that you'd get much, if any, benefit from putting the 125 into the 250F chassis. Just slimmer / different plastics and seat set up, on the existing chassis, ala Fantic, and dipping into the 4t parts bin to get the weight savings from the Swingarm etc conversion that so many do, makes for a very cheap, very effective update.

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3/8/2021 5:51 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/8/2021 6:02 PM

inthebadboycorner wrote:

In regards to handling, is the 250f chassis better than the 125 chassis?
If so, is the 250f chassis to big to slot a 125 into? ...more

Bearuno wrote:

If blokes can shoe horn all sorts of engines into all sorts of chassis, in their sheds, Yamaha ( and every other Japanese ...more

Yeah. Easiest thing in the world putting a YZ125 engine into a front-intake YZ250F chassis! Most basic of engineering tasks!

All they have to do is drop the little smoker engine in butt-end forward, route the chain up to the front wheel: Voilà! ready to rip the world's first front wheel drive MXer

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3/8/2021 6:12 PM

inthebadboycorner wrote:

In regards to handling, is the 250f chassis better than the 125 chassis?
If so, is the 250f chassis to big to slot a 125 into? ...more

Bearuno wrote:

If blokes can shoe horn all sorts of engines into all sorts of chassis, in their sheds, Yamaha ( and every other Japanese ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

Yeah. Easiest thing in the world putting a YZ125 engine into a front-intake YZ250F chassis! Most basic of engineering tasks!

...more

Also, you know, there's nothing wrong with the 125 chasis as it sits. Still comparably nimble to modern bikes.

The 250 chasis could use a little love.

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3/8/2021 6:22 PM

Dirty Points wrote:

Yamaha just needs to cut the check for whatever designs/tooling Fantic have put together on their cylinder and bodywork, and ...more

vdrsnk04 wrote:

I’d buy a Fantic if they were in the US.

Yeah me too. Probably be easier to buy one from Europe. Than find a 05-07 cr125 in America.

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3/8/2021 8:06 PM

I do enjoy watching Lapucci ride. The guy has style for days and just looks like he's having fun out there. Considering he's already had some decent MXGP-class finishes, it seems he took the Fantic ride as a way to increase his value with, perhaps, easier wins in EMX2T racing. I hope that will translate into some bigger rides.

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3/8/2021 9:31 PM

Dirty Points wrote:

Yeah. Easiest thing in the world putting a YZ125 engine into a front-intake YZ250F chassis! Most basic of engineering tasks!

...more

Yes, it is easy for those of us that have done such things for Decades.

You, especially with your 2nd paragraph, read as being one that can't do such things.

Fair enough, as there are plenty of things I can't do as well as others here, and, I daresay, things that you may do easily. cool

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3/8/2021 10:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/8/2021 10:29 PM

Bearuno wrote:

If blokes can shoe horn all sorts of engines into all sorts of chassis, in their sheds, Yamaha ( and every other Japanese ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

Yeah. Easiest thing in the world putting a YZ125 engine into a front-intake YZ250F chassis! Most basic of engineering tasks!

...more

Bearuno wrote:

Yes, it is easy for those of us that have done such things for Decades.

You, especially with your 2nd paragraph, read as ...more

C'mon now. Don't be silly.

A Yz125 motor shoved into the backwards motor chassis would be a cobbled-together trainwreck compared to just a YZ125 in even the best of builds.

Obviously the second paragraph was just a joke meant to illustrate that.

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3/8/2021 10:34 PM

Dirty Points wrote:

C'mon now. Don't be silly.

A Yz125 motor shoved into the backwards motor chassis would be a cobbled-together trainwreck ...more

Re-read my first post.

You'll find that I don't favour such a conversion. Just a waste of time, in my opinion. Check my second paragraph in my original post.

But doing the, to me, unnecessary job, would not be particularly hard. Putting the engine in the correct position - and by that I mean duplicating the CS to SA pivot geometry ( as close as possible, I've no idea of the CS center to SA pivot center in both engines respective cases) , would be the most important thing. It always is, though so, so many mess that up.

Then, you do the ancillaries. With no airbox behind the engine, well, you'd have some fun and games, but, it would be far from insurmountable. The fuel tank? Well, no real problem there using the std one, but with my obsession for getting fuel low, I'd find it hard not to be a silly bugger and not build a tank - a tank that would be far, far more work that the engine placement. If I didn't do that - and I hope I wouldn't want to give myself so much work, the next silly thing would be resisting the temptation to do a 'weird' pipe, with all the room above the tiny, slanted engine.

And hey, as I wrote, there's things you may do better than me. For example, take your Points avatar and Nom de plume : the last time I set some points was when I had a 348 Montesa, in 1983.......... or was it my VW Station Wagon??? I haven't got near a Points and Condenser ignition, in yonks w00t

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3/8/2021 10:45 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/8/2021 10:46 PM

Bearuno wrote:

Yes, it is easy for those of us that have done such things for Decades.

You, especially with your 2nd paragraph, read as ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

C'mon now. Don't be silly.

A Yz125 motor shoved into the backwards motor chassis would be a cobbled-together trainwreck ...more

Bearuno wrote:

Re-read my first post.

You'll find that I don't favour such a conversion. Just a waste of time, in my opinion. Check my ...more

Every single machine that has ever been "engineered" under the flight of fancy thinking you are toying with in your post -- trying to solve problems you created for the sake of solving problems -- has resulted in a steaming pile of shit. And none of it reflects "the most basic of engineering tasks"

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3/9/2021 12:14 AM

Dirty Points wrote:

Every single machine that has ever been "engineered" under the flight of fancy thinking you are toying with in your post -- ...more

That's Complete and Utter Bullshit, Dirty Points .
That you can't do projects / engineering and fabrication, does not mean many others can't.

Though, there are plenty of useless 'Engineers', like MPS, and other dodgy "makers", out there doing dreadful work, and ripping people off.

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3/9/2021 3:20 AM

inthebadboycorner wrote:

In regards to handling, is the 250f chassis better than the 125 chassis?
If so, is the 250f chassis to big to slot a 125 into? ...more

Bearuno wrote:

If blokes can shoe horn all sorts of engines into all sorts of chassis, in their sheds, Yamaha ( and every other Japanese ...more

True..I ride an 06 yz 125 and a 2020 yz 450...could see no possible benefit having the 125 motor in the 450 chassis over keeping it in its present chassis.
Yeah update the swing arm and linkage to the current design..make a more compact and more powerful motor like ktm have and at least have the tank inside the shrouds like one of those Italian revolution kits...
Really wouldn't take much...

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3/9/2021 3:29 AM

Dirty Points wrote:

Yamaha just needs to cut the check for whatever designs/tooling Fantic have put together on their cylinder and bodywork, and ...more

vdrsnk04 wrote:

I’d buy a Fantic if they were in the US.

They are.

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3/9/2021 5:12 PM

inthebadboycorner wrote:

In regards to handling, is the 250f chassis better than the 125 chassis?
If so, is the 250f chassis to big to slot a 125 into? ...more

Bearuno wrote:

If blokes can shoe horn all sorts of engines into all sorts of chassis, in their sheds, Yamaha ( and every other Japanese ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

Yeah. Easiest thing in the world putting a YZ125 engine into a front-intake YZ250F chassis! Most basic of engineering tasks!

...more

Hillarious, 5🌟

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3/10/2021 4:41 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Fantic leads the 250 and the 125 class. Impressive stuff!

https://mxvice.com/all-results-alghero-ita/

A win and a 2nd so far ...more

I have a hard time understanding the results. The 250 won against 450’s and 125 against 250’s? Help me understand.

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3/10/2021 5:13 PM

If Yamaha made a new 125 i would buy it the day I could. Not sure what I would do with my current yz125.

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3/10/2021 5:50 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Fantic leads the 250 and the 125 class. Impressive stuff!

https://mxvice.com/all-results-alghero-ita/

A win and a 2nd so far ...more

YZ1254LIFE wrote:

I have a hard time understanding the results. The 250 won against 450’s and 125 against 250’s? Help me understand.

250 vs 250, 125 vs 125

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3/10/2021 6:34 PM

Little to no chance they update their two strokes.

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3/13/2021 10:09 AM

Has anyone tried getting the Fantic bodywork from Europe and fitting it to a YZ yet?

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3/13/2021 12:01 PM

from the yamaha commercial i thought i saw a Yz1250/250 with the restyled shroud/tank? is it the same as fantic maybe? im not sure if it was another bike or anything just saw that the shroud covered the tank and it was a 2T.

is it racetech that makes a restyle tank and shrouds already?

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3/13/2021 12:45 PM

I emailed fantic Canada. They are trying to bring them in to the great white north. Land of moose and trudeau.

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