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The production rule is a joke and anyone who thinks its being fallowed is out of touch with reality. What I'm about to suggest is is going to make some peoples heads spin around as they scream "But it's the rider" are you done ? relax breath. Okay lets move on to my point which is, on the pro level and by pro I'm referring to AMA licensed racers, not your locale bad ass. I think their is an unfair advantage the factory supported teams have and give to their racers over the rest of the field not able to ride prototype equipment, and this would include teams such as pro circuit and factory connection and the like. From custom frames they change out as they stretch every 8 races or so ( Ya they do that ) to 50k suspension, 3speed trannys for SX, and one off electrical and exhaust the list goes on and on. The other pros lining up to race against these machines are not as privileged and they are the back bone the heart and soul of the sport, hell they even have to pay to race what if the NFL did that LOL !
This kind of makes our sport on a professional level a bit of a joke and not to be taken to seriously. The OEMS spend millions in racing to prove their bike is the best, and maybe their bike on the AMA race track they custom built is the best ? but not necessarily the one you go to buy at their locale dealer, which is where all the privateers have to start. So why not break down the classes differently, have a 250 and 450 pro class as well a 250 and 450 factory class. More racing to watch and better chances for a privateer to make real money at least more than he is now not working at a disadvantage and if you don't think he is "Because it's all about the rider" just remember there's a reason Rv has 50K suspension and if it didn't make a difference on his wins "They wouldn't make it " I'm done flame on !
This kind of makes our sport on a professional level a bit of a joke and not to be taken to seriously. The OEMS spend millions in racing to prove their bike is the best, and maybe their bike on the AMA race track they custom built is the best ? but not necessarily the one you go to buy at their locale dealer, which is where all the privateers have to start. So why not break down the classes differently, have a 250 and 450 pro class as well a 250 and 450 factory class. More racing to watch and better chances for a privateer to make real money at least more than he is now not working at a disadvantage and if you don't think he is "Because it's all about the rider" just remember there's a reason Rv has 50K suspension and if it didn't make a difference on his wins "They wouldn't make it " I'm done flame on !
And yea, the only thing making my head spin is your grammar.
The factory bikes of today are not light years ahead of the production stuff any more. Sure....they are better , but it is nothing like what the gap was back in the early to mid 80's.
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outside the top 20, this would be more beneficial to help them keep their bike more competitive.
Like those hydraulic clutches on the japanese supercross production bikes, If Honda or any other brand thinks it is an
advantage, why is it not on their real production bike?
and yeah it would be cool to open a "claiming" option in the sport.
Id like to see it become "just the rider" instead of seeing how custom a bike can be taylord to a rider......If they are indeed that good then let them adapt to the bike in stock trim.
So, say if each factory team purchased one exemption, that would equal $500,000 that would be added to the overall series purse. If the five works bikes came in 1-5 in a moto, the first rider to receive purse money would be the 6th place rider. That rider would receive what is now 1st place purse plus part of the purse from the exemptions. the Purse money would go further to the people it really matters to and there would be more of it.
I see it as the fans get works bikes again, the top riders get the best equipment with the small disadvantage of no purse money, and the second, third, and fourth tier riders get more money.
KW was a guy who used to like the worked over production suspension better than the factory stuff. Larry ward was another guy like that and said he just didn't feel right on the factory suspension...so he ran modified stock stuff.
Then you have guys like Reed.....which in 2011 put down $80,000 of his own money to get a factory tranny put in his bike....and he must of felt that it was worth the investment.
DM18 and Short both have proven this year that you can get these production bikes pretty damn close to a factory bike with the right parts......but it all boils down to what the rider actually feels comfortable with.
A full team of technicians to make the bike new and to your liking at your whim, fresh tires, motors, etc
A privateer with 2 bikes and a limited budget can wear them out very, very quickly. When you're national level fast, you tend to wear things down quite a bit
It's just like this local so cal has been Dan Berg, he smokes,drinks, eats cheeseburgers, drinks more beer than Lou soto , comes out on worn out pile of junk and smokes his class beating guys who have trick fresh bikes with the latest shiny metal bits added to them. Motocross is purely a Mans sport, that requires more heart , less brains and desire pin it
Davi Milsaps
Andrew Short
Weston Peick
Bobby Kiniry
Jimmy Albertson
They Defy this thread.
The Advantage Is NOT nearly as great as it has been in the past.
The "Production Rule" has improved Stock Equipment Sooooooo Much that I can't help laughing at this thread; because, I'm SO Damn Old that I remember going thru 3 frames on each of my '81 YZs! Lets not EVEN go into Motors: Yes! They ARE that Good!
Best Example? 2013.5 KTM 450-SXF-FE (really don't care what the Magazine guys say: you're buying a Factory Edition when they made & sold'em just to have Lighter-Cases).
Furthermore, I applaud KTM for "Turning it up a notch"!
I'm jus' sayin'...
this is what i love about capitalism....go buy a new rmz450 or a new cbr1000rr.....now tell me they suck and aren't competitive. both bikes, with alittle massaging are 'race ready'
i used sportbikes as an example cause the new 600 / Liter bikes are friggin TRICK!!
every year the bikes get better and better.
If the riders were actually racing their bikes to its potential you might have an argument .
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Never in the history of the sport has the difference between a stone stock bike and a works bike been so small.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tblazier/6757438771/in/set-721576308891289…
As already been mentioned: Factory for me means similar equipement, but greater effort when it matters.
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