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8/9/2010 11:20am Edited Date/Time 10/28/2015 11:28am
From a privateer to a satellite team and finally a factory bike, What range of money do you think those bikes cost, I m guessing the suspension is the biggest cost.even for some privateers who have the aftermarket A-kits, So $8 grand for a bike (privateer) and some,mods, then satellite team bikes bike and more serious mods, then tricked out bikes. Opinions ? I m guessing 10 grand to 100 grand Am i even close? From say a traveling privateers bike to a bike like Dungeys, pro circuit and geico included, one dude from geico said they had like 40grand wrapped up in their 450 s.
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8/9/2010 11:35am
40 grand is way off.. I remember McGraths 96 cr 250 was around 100k. So i'm sure bikes of today are ALOT more
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8/9/2010 11:40am
Maybe he didn t want to tell me to much, but i did nt think that the geico and PC bikes were that far off of factory level bikes, He said most of the money is in the suspension and some mods to the engine IDK,, Yea i remember when they used to say the works bikes were like 100k. Just benchracin till Dilla.
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8/9/2010 11:42am
Dude I heard a Factory Honda is "one million dollars"

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8/9/2010 11:43am
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on and adjust it.
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8/9/2010 11:51am
I did have a former factory Honda rider tell me once that Honda didn't bat an eye at $100k on a bike.

But I don't believe that's $100k on a particular bike. There just isn't that much there to make up that much money. And that was on 250 two-strokes by the way. That has to include the 8 to 12 cranks tested, all the piston configurations, cylinder porting, gearing changes in the tranny, special coating treatments for all the engine internals, all the suspension valving that is tried and thrown out, not to mention all the variations they use during the week, special off-set steering head bearing races and stuff like that. I could easily see tieing up $100k in materials and labor over a year for one particular bike, especially when considering the parts that have been thrown out during the testing process.

I could be wrong though. If there were $100k worth of parts say.... Shorty's factory CR250 two-stroke, I wonder how much money they've thrown away in parts killed during the testing process?
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8/9/2010 11:58am
In a issue of dirt rider when they ride James Stewart's bike, they say factory rides are anywhere from 60,000 - 150,000
8/9/2010 12:07pm
pie8man wrote:
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on...
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on and adjust it.
Don't forget all the 1-off hand made parts especially when they are made of ti or mag materials. Check what ti bolts are selling for now a days also.
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8/9/2010 12:10pm
Voss said his Yamaha several years ago had $15,000 in titanium on it. I read were Stewart said his had $30,000 on his.
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8/9/2010 12:11pm
All I know is this is pretty trick:

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Who s bike? is that x games Grants Bike? #33 on the stand.
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8/9/2010 1:09pm
jasonv43 wrote:
All I know is this is pretty trick: [img]https://motocross.transworld.net/files/2010/08/_s2f5699.jpg[/img]
All I know is this is pretty trick:

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8/9/2010 1:11pm
No telling how many hundreds of thousands per bike Honda spent back in the mid 70's through the late 80's on the works bikes. All of those bikes were one offs with special castings for everything.

MXA did a feature on Mitch's $200,000.00 250F's a few months back.
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8/9/2010 1:23pm
ever wonder how much per hour R &D costs to bench flow a head ?
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8/9/2010 1:38pm
Between R&D and prototyping this sweet Ribi linked twin cylindered 125, you could probably buy a nice home on Maui. Even the brake actuating arms have linkage.

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8/9/2010 3:14pm
I watched a Aussie super X video where they did a feature on CR's factory suzuki in 09. They said his Chads RMZ 450 was worth more than 100k.
8/9/2010 3:48pm
Most true factory bikes run $200k. But a big chunk of that is man-hour labor and R&D. Actual hard parts are probably $50-75k. Stapleton's KX450 last year ran ~$23k, including the price of the bike.
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8/9/2010 3:51pm
Its not just the parts... yes I could easily see 100-200k worth of parts going into the bike. But then you have to factor in time, effort and skill. I mean... how much would it cost (in labor) to have mitch payton spend 6 hours on the head of your KXF 8|
8/9/2010 4:10pm
pie8man wrote:
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on...
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on and adjust it.
you mean R&D
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8/9/2010 4:39pm
pie8man wrote:
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on...
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on and adjust it.
Also a factory bike cost a lot more bc they do so much research and development with almost every part...
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8/9/2010 4:43pm
Ok thats my point. If you cant buy it at a dealership then you ought not be able to race it in an AMA race. Lets put the racers on level ground and see whos the best.
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8/9/2010 5:13pm
i would say 200k sounds right.......with satellite bikes ( aside from FC and PC )at 50-75k
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I remember reading something about RC's Carb on his RMZ450 being around 50k? or something like that? But the question i ask is, why? Was it because it was the matierials it was made of? But then wouldn't that be excessive? What's the performance gain from that?

I have often wondered how people could say bikes cost around 200k etc but i truly have to think they mean a lot of that money is R&D dollars....if they took the R&D out of the equation and gave us a price on the hard parts then that would be an interesting figure i think...
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8/9/2010 5:28pm
Well,think about this. How much money did Harley/ Buell spend developing a dirt bike before they scrapped the project? How many millions went into that? Honda was doing that every year for the 125, 250 and open class back in the 70's. Honda raced the open class all the way back to what, 1974? But they never produced a production open classed mx bike until 1981. None of those bikes had production parts on them. My 77 OW27 Yamaha is the same way. Super trick shit unavailable to mere mortals.
8/9/2010 5:48pm
You can put any price you want on something that is unobtainable to the average motocross rider.
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8/9/2010 6:14pm
How can you put a price on something that's developed in house? You'd have to factor in the wages of everyone that was directly or indirectly involved in developing and building each every part. From the guy at the receiving dock who unloads the raw unobtainim to the machinist to the mechanic who installs the part to the test rider who pounds out the laps to see if it survives, etc etc. And don't forget the secretary who runs the office. She has a hand in it as well lol.
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8/9/2010 6:24pm
pie8man wrote:
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on...
Much of the cost that is figured into a factory bike is labor. Hard parts cost what they cost but someone has to put it on and adjust it.
Yep. I guess that with a team like JGR it is hard to put a price on a bike because they make so much of their own stuff in house. Mostly labor and price of materials. .....and upkeep on machines.
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adamdf wrote:
I remember reading something about RC's Carb on his RMZ450 being around 50k? or something like that? But the question i ask is, why? Was it...
I remember reading something about RC's Carb on his RMZ450 being around 50k? or something like that? But the question i ask is, why? Was it because it was the matierials it was made of? But then wouldn't that be excessive? What's the performance gain from that?

I have often wondered how people could say bikes cost around 200k etc but i truly have to think they mean a lot of that money is R&D dollars....if they took the R&D out of the equation and gave us a price on the hard parts then that would be an interesting figure i think...
It's because pros get parts custom made for them only. We could never get the same parts as a factory rider unless we were s factory rider lol
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Who joins this place to dig up a 5 yr old thread for their first post? Shocked

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