Fabulous Four Strokes

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11/11/2016 10:31am
Sidecar wrote:
Saw one of these once, at the NEC international bike show so unfortunately not being ridden, just static display and nobody wanted to talk about it...
Saw one of these once, at the NEC international bike show so unfortunately not being ridden, just static display and nobody wanted to talk about it.... Built by the Vertemati brothers I think though.
mx836 wrote:
Here's a naked pic of the bike. Pretty cool IMO, but I'm into weird stuff like this. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/11/11/159694/s1200_IMG_0682.jpg[/img]
Here's a naked pic of the bike. Pretty cool IMO, but I'm into weird stuff like this.



Same.... my Brother will piss himself laughing at me.... iv owned many Husabergs and 2 Vertemati's.

Wheel a sidecar out of your van in front of a load of hard core moto heads if you want some really weird looks!!!!
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Sidecar wrote:
Same.... my Brother will piss himself laughing at me.... iv owned many Husabergs and 2 Vertemati's. Wheel a sidecar out of your van in front of...
Same.... my Brother will piss himself laughing at me.... iv owned many Husabergs and 2 Vertemati's.

Wheel a sidecar out of your van in front of a load of hard core moto heads if you want some really weird looks!!!!
Laughing I can only imagine. I raced a '99 Husky CR 125 at the age of 15. My dad had the matching 250. Definitely got a lot of looks as they weren't very popular at that point. Still wonder why I chose that over my Honda.
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:laugh: I can only imagine. I raced a '99 Husky CR 125 at the age of 15. My dad had the matching 250. Definitely got a...
Laughing I can only imagine. I raced a '99 Husky CR 125 at the age of 15. My dad had the matching 250. Definitely got a lot of looks as they weren't very popular at that point. Still wonder why I chose that over my Honda.
Those Huskys were nice that era, used to see a few 125s and 610s about but not many 250s.
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11/11/2016 11:52am
mx836 wrote:
Beautiful Rickman BSA [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/11/11/159677/s1200_IMG_0679.jpg[/img]
Beautiful Rickman BSA



One of the most beautiful dirt bikes ever made. The glossy BRG paint, nickel plating and polished aluminum are/were stunning.

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11/11/2016 12:56pm
Sidecar wrote:
Those Huskys were nice that era, used to see a few 125s and 610s about but not many 250s.
You'd see even less in the US! Don't think I saw any other Huskys locally from that generation at all. The 250 was kinda goofy. Still right side drive at that point.
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11/11/2016 1:38pm
MxRyder wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/11/07/159179/s1200_20150925_111326.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/11/07/159180/s1200_20160926_143343.jpg[/img]




That thing looks killer! color combo is on point, especially with the right gear!
11/11/2016 2:56pm
Sidecar wrote:
Above
CCM
Highland
HL Yamaha
Hagon Yamaha
JBR Honda
Curtis Honda
Cheney Yamaha
Lito
Husqvarna
What happened with Highland?
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11/11/2016 4:52pm
Speaking of exotic thumpers.
The 2004 WR450F 2trac. 2Trac = wheel drive

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11/11/2016 5:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2016 6:02pm
ns503 wrote:
I have one of these in pieces in my basement. Hoping I make it far enough into retirement to resurrect it. [img]https://cdn4.bigcommerce.com/s-bg7z96jv/products/130/images/569/1986_Can_Am_Sonic_560_001__34260.1423765894.1280.1280.gif[/img]
I have one of these in pieces in my basement. Hoping I make it far enough into retirement to resurrect it.

Had one back in 86 , only had spring in one fork leg, cant remember which one. when I would land from jumps front end would rebound back off ground . after I had spring put in other leg like earlier models didn't have problems . wish I wouldn't have sold it ,one of the bikes I ve owned that I had most fun on , even though it was tall and I could barely touch ground.. stock motor had great powerband , easy to turn with rear wheel ..later I had 630 ccm with lightened crank, big valve head , big cam etc. but felt the stock can am had better powerband ... remember one race passin a couple guys on 500 maicos and they looked shocked that big ol 4 stroke could blow by em llike that ...hehehe
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11/11/2016 5:15pm
newmann wrote:
I sold one of these engines for next to nothing. Thought I made serious money back when I sold it.:blush: I need to track one of...
I sold one of these engines for next to nothing. Thought I made serious money back when I sold it.Blush

I need to track one of these bikes down here locally. I do believe there is one still in the crate.




Bigfoot wrote:
One of my photos from the 1977 4-Stroke National, Carlsbad. A cookie to anyone who can ID the rider.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/11/11/159662/s1200_img926.jpg[/img]
One of my photos from the 1977 4-Stroke National, Carlsbad.

A cookie to anyone who can ID the rider.

Jeff Jennings???
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newmann wrote:
I sold one of these engines for next to nothing. Thought I made serious money back when I sold it.:blush: I need to track one of...
I sold one of these engines for next to nothing. Thought I made serious money back when I sold it.Blush

I need to track one of these bikes down here locally. I do believe there is one still in the crate.




Bigfoot wrote:
One of my photos from the 1977 4-Stroke National, Carlsbad. A cookie to anyone who can ID the rider.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/11/11/159662/s1200_img926.jpg[/img]
One of my photos from the 1977 4-Stroke National, Carlsbad.

A cookie to anyone who can ID the rider.

magoo1982 wrote:
Jeff Jennings???
Wow, that's a great guess. But nope, it's his dad Marshal. I'm curious about what made you guess JJ.
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11/11/2016 5:48pm
riding gear and helmet reminded me of him ....
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MXD wrote:
Is this going to end up about freedom of speech or trademark infringement again? Laughing
Who's stalking who MXD?
The quote below is from you in another thread.

10/16/2016 4:57 PM

The OP is a kooky nut job. He's always spewing nonsense. He's been following me around message boards trying to taunt me ever since I laughed at him years ago for starting a post about protesting a beginner race because he (or maybe his kid, I don't remember) got cheated out of a plastic trophy. Just leave him alone with his tin foil hat and HAM radio.
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magoo1982 wrote:
riding gear and helmet reminded me of him ....
Good eye! JJ had called in some sponsor favors and outfitted his pop in JT pants and boots and a Bell helmet painted by the same guy who painted his.
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I raced an '81ish CR that had an open bike four-stroke motor in at an AHRMA race once. Fun vintage bike to ride but the brakes were merely a suggestion!

My understanding is it was meant to be a replica of a factory rider that rode it back then. Does that ring a bell to anyone?

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Double post
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In reference to my earlier post. Looked similar but different motor.

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Back in mid 70s, Honda had Rocket Rex race a four stroke for a short time. I think it was based on xl 350 motor . Then late 70s Marty Moates raced one based on xl350 ???
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One of the sickest minis in existence.



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Here's one for Sidecar:

Ducati Bevel Drive engined Sidecarcrosser :

And, at first I thought this showed an ATK style CS disc, when looking at a small picture, but its a Brembo caliper 1/2 being used as a slave cylinder with a hydraulic clutch conversion - at least I think it is :

I'm a bit baffled by the chain links connected to a through shaft, another shaft, and perhaps the rear brake mastercylinder. Gears / Brakes, buggered if I know. Sidecarcrossers seem to be a somewhat bodgey group of lunatics ........
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11/15/2016 9:33pm
I think this was from a mid 70s French GP - Karsmakers and Bob Wright having a practice start against each other:



I grew up surrounded by bikes - very specifically BSAs / CCMs, Matchless's, Vincents, Velocettes and Ducati's, Guzzis and Laverdas. My Dad and Uncle got new BSAs, then CCMs each year as they came out, keeping each one. Me? - I was far more interested in my RMs, YZs and CRs of the time, that I worked my arse off to pay for on my own - no backing from the old man. It was sink or swim with him, with just advice on the mechanical front. Typical, lifetime professional soldier. A hard. damned near heartless bastard at times, but, much loved. He died earlier this year, and the executors are trying to find his collection of bikes he left to my brothers and I - it appears that his last consort may have done a shifty with them. Hope not, as we would put them to good use. The Old Bastard wanted it that way, instead of her lining her pockets.
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Bigfoot wrote:
KELVIN FRANKS' HONDA Kelvin built two of these. Magoo rode one of them at a USGP. Jeff Jennings went lightning fast on one at the Carlsbad...
KELVIN FRANKS' HONDA

Kelvin built two of these. Magoo rode one of them at a USGP. Jeff Jennings went lightning fast on one at the Carlsbad 4-stroke Nationals. Does anybody know if either still exists?


[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/11/14/160121/s1200_5b19ccdb233…" class="img-fluid" />

Thanks to you and all that replied. I knew someone would know. I was most intrigued by the fact that someone wanted to race a 4 banger instead of the two stroke back then.

Different than todays 4T's (obviously), heavy, and I could hear it laugh at me everytime I used the brakes, but a blast to ride!
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11/15/2016 10:37pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2016 11:45pm
magoo1982 wrote:
Back in mid 70s, Honda had Rocket Rex race a four stroke for a short time. I think it was based on xl 350 motor...
Back in mid 70s, Honda had Rocket Rex race a four stroke for a short time. I think it was based on xl 350 motor . Then late 70s Marty Moates raced one based on xl350 ???
Well do I remember a picture of Staten on the Honda 4t at the Snake River Canyon MX in MXA - with him completely sideways, mid air, with a caption along the lines of "handles good, don't it Rex?" I've been trying to find it for years now.

Moates rode a Knobby Shop International / KSI bike, in a couple of GPs - or, at least in Britain. I think he rode a Works Ossa 2T in a few GPs too.

The type Marty rode ( a re-furb by Rod Spry - check his site out, he does gorgeous work) :

A 'Modern' version of it, static, and being ridden (I think at a VMXDN a year or two ago) :
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11/15/2016 10:48pm
my 2008 CRF450R Rebuilt. Before and after pictures!







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Bearuno wrote:
Here's one for Sidecar: Ducati Bevel Drive engined Sidecarcrosser : [URL=http://s163.photobucket.com/user/bearorso/media/Ducati%20Bevel%20Drive%20Sidecarcrosser_zpsqkwttouo.jpg.html][IMG]http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t319/bearorso/Ducati%20Bevel%20Drive%20Sidecarcrosser_zpsqkwttouo.jpg[/IMG][/URL] And, at first I thought this showed an ATK style CS disc, when looking at...
Here's one for Sidecar:

Ducati Bevel Drive engined Sidecarcrosser :

And, at first I thought this showed an ATK style CS disc, when looking at a small picture, but its a Brembo caliper 1/2 being used as a slave cylinder with a hydraulic clutch conversion - at least I think it is :

I'm a bit baffled by the chain links connected to a through shaft, another shaft, and perhaps the rear brake mastercylinder. Gears / Brakes, buggered if I know. Sidecarcrossers seem to be a somewhat bodgey group of lunatics ........
Bodgers and lunatics..... And I thought we were mates..... LaughingLaughingLaughing
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11/15/2016 10:59pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2016 11:07pm
From the Telford (?) Classic / VMX show a year or two ago, here's a fellows variation of a Honda XL / XR 4t engined bike with a semi perimeter frame and Ribi Quadrilateral type front end :


I think they are Fournales air shocks? Or, maybe Sachs? More likely Fournales as they are still made / they can make what you want. Hell, they also remind me of the non piggyback reservoir Kayaba Airshocks of the mid / late 70s, but I doubt that's what they are.

And it's rear end with a trellis type swingarm :


Sorry, I never seem to be able to put them up as full sized pictures.

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