F1 looking into 2 stroke engine's for the future

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Bearuno 1/11/2020 6:27am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Nothing to get excited about from a moto perspective; doubt you'd see an opposed piston engine in a motocross bike
Yup, they certainly aren't talking about 2 stroke engines as most here would know of.

But, hey ho , anything that keeps ICE engines around, I'm happy about
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Brad460 1/11/2020 6:31am
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Bearuno wrote:
Yup, they certainly aren't talking about 2 stroke engines as most here would know of. But, [i]hey ho [/i], anything that keeps ICE engines around, I'm...
Yup, they certainly aren't talking about 2 stroke engines as most here would know of.

But, hey ho , anything that keeps ICE engines around, I'm happy about
Yeah- I was hoping the article would get into the engineering details on this carbon neutral “2 stroke”.
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philG 1/11/2020 6:56am
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I genuinely checked the date on this when i saw it a few days ago.
metal_miracle 1/11/2020 6:58am
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There have been some modern day 2 stroke concept . they where horizontal opposing pistons , and a very flat engine layout.. it could be related
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Bearuno wrote:
Yup, they certainly aren't talking about 2 stroke engines as most here would know of. But, [i]hey ho [/i], anything that keeps ICE engines around, I'm...
Yup, they certainly aren't talking about 2 stroke engines as most here would know of.

But, hey ho , anything that keeps ICE engines around, I'm happy about
Brad460 wrote:
Yeah- I was hoping the article would get into the engineering details on this carbon neutral “2 stroke”.
Same! Interested to see these designs they are talking about.
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Talisker 1/14/2020 12:44am
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Cant believe anyone would use this old technology we speak of....
Would be great to see what advancements could be made with modern research applied
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Last Braaap 1/14/2020 1:25am
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Yeah.. nah... For sure.

I don't wanna burst your bubble guys. There is the same issue with hydrogen as with electric power... the storage.

You can't store the hydrogen just willy nilly in the tank or it goes big kaboom (90's cartoon style) when it says howdy to the oxygen in air. You need to fill the volume of the tank with palladium or other chill schmuck that doesn't react with hydrogen.

Is it possible? Yes
Is it reasonable? ehhhm. i don't know.
Thisusernameisavailable 1/14/2020 4:01am
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Two stroke die-hards love them for some specific reasons. The fact they can work on them and they're relatively cheap to maintain and rebuild.

Well you don't think for minute that these 'new' two strokes are just going to be reproduced 2007 models do you?? Of course they won't, they'll be high-tech, complicated, expensive with mellow power curves- everything a two stroke die hard likes/d about a two stroke, will be gone.
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FreshTopEnd 1/14/2020 3:09pm
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"The new engines are likely to remain hybrids but powered by synthetic fuel, made by combining hydrogen with carbon captured from the air, using surplus green energy."
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Last Braaap 1/15/2020 5:09am
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
"The new engines are likely to remain hybrids but powered by synthetic fuel, made by combining hydrogen with carbon captured from the air, using surplus green...
"The new engines are likely to remain hybrids but powered by synthetic fuel, made by combining hydrogen with carbon captured from the air, using surplus green energy."
Tell me about the "surplus green energy"

if you factor the ammount of energy (therefore CO2 & NOx emissions - except for sassy norwegians who have huge dams and hydropower up their balls, so their energy is clean - but they are basically cheating Tongue ) to transport, produce and assemble wind turbines/solar panels/other greta schmuck - you can call yourself lucky if you produce ammount of energy from it that makes it all dead even at the end of the lifespan of said machine.

surplus green energy *laughs*

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FreshTopEnd wrote:
"The new engines are likely to remain hybrids but powered by synthetic fuel, made by combining hydrogen with carbon captured from the air, using surplus green...
"The new engines are likely to remain hybrids but powered by synthetic fuel, made by combining hydrogen with carbon captured from the air, using surplus green energy."
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Tell me about the "surplus green energy" if you factor the ammount of energy (therefore CO2 & NOx emissions - except for sassy norwegians who have...
Tell me about the "surplus green energy"

if you factor the ammount of energy (therefore CO2 & NOx emissions - except for sassy norwegians who have huge dams and hydropower up their balls, so their energy is clean - but they are basically cheating Tongue ) to transport, produce and assemble wind turbines/solar panels/other greta schmuck - you can call yourself lucky if you produce ammount of energy from it that makes it all dead even at the end of the lifespan of said machine.

surplus green energy *laughs*

1985 called and they want whatever technology you are talking about back...

Here's a quote this excerpt from a scientific journal

US researchers have carried out an environmental lifecycle assessment of 2-megawatt wind turbines mooted for a large wind farm in the US Pacific Northwest. Writing in the International Journal of Sustainable Manufacturing, they conclude that in terms of cumulative energy payback, or the time to produce the amount of energy required of production and installation, a wind turbine with a working life of 20 years will offer a net benefit within five to eight months of being brought online.



https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/14061


5-8 months... Notice it says a '20 year lifespan' - maybe thats not accurate but it could a 1 year lifespan and still be better than continuing to burn coal...


But yeah surplus green energy is a dumb phrase. And completely carbon free energy production is also a farce. But you realise you have to transport all that metal and such to produce and assemble a coal plant right? Also throughout the lifespan of that coal you have to transport coal there. You realise that right... I guess maybe you havent thought this through? Do you work in the dirty energy sector by chance? or do you just like to be wrong for kicks
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BobPA 1/15/2020 9:55am
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Talisker wrote:
Cant believe anyone would use this old technology we speak of....
Would be great to see what advancements could be made with modern research applied
I guess you're not into snowmobiles or outboards?
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Talisker wrote:
Cant believe anyone would use this old technology we speak of....
Would be great to see what advancements could be made with modern research applied
BobPA wrote:
I guess you're not into snowmobiles or outboards?
I think he was being sarcastic.
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BobPA 1/15/2020 10:05am
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Talisker wrote:
Cant believe anyone would use this old technology we speak of....
Would be great to see what advancements could be made with modern research applied
BobPA wrote:
I guess you're not into snowmobiles or outboards?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
I think he was being sarcastic.
Makes sense, tough to tell on these internets...
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So F1 are looking into going 2 stroke in 2025-6 to help them go carbon neutral. Says the all electric racing cars could be twice as...
So F1 are looking into going 2 stroke in 2025-6 to help them go carbon neutral. Says the all electric racing cars could be twice as polluting as the current hybrid cars.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/f1/two-stroke-engines-eco-fuel-…
B.S.
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BillHones 1/16/2020 5:51pm
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i looked at this a few days ago. now the link wont work.

i do not think i was mistaken, but all the photos were CG or from a video game? (didnt look like the f1 game) Even the extra stories on the bottom with headlines had CG photos. I only came back to see if anyone else noticed it... maybe i glanced over a post? Would be cool none the less, but i think STL has it right. Or true, and F1 photo rights are stupid expensive. but then why not from the actual f1 game?
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jeffro503 wrote:
The long game.........what do we do with all those old crusty batteries that are leaking acid every where? Oh that's right , we'll just stuff them...
The long game.........what do we do with all those old crusty batteries that are leaking acid every where? Oh that's right , we'll just stuff them all into the ground , or dump them in the middle of the ocean.
They get recycled like most all gasoline engine batteries. It's the future

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