F1 looking into 2 stroke engine's for the future

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Edited Date/Time 1/15/2020 10:05am
So F1 are looking into going 2 stroke in 2025-6 to help them go carbon neutral. Says the all electric racing cars could be twice as polluting as the current hybrid cars.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/f1/two-stroke-engines-eco-fuel-…
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Kaaden'sTheory 1/10/2020 6:01am
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This needs to happen. Can you imagine what 22 multi cylinder two-stroke F1 cars screaming into the tunnel at Monaco sounds like? Beautiful music!
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CPR 1/10/2020 6:36am
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That's where the first YZF400 technology came from right, so.....
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Dirty Points 1/10/2020 7:53am
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I would think in terms of carbon neutrality, electric would certainly be problematic if that is F1s goal. In the cases where electric does have a lower footprint, It takes a number of years/miles in the lifecycle of an electric vehicle for the manufacturing carbon output to dip below an equivalent ICE operational output over that time period.

There's no way they'd run a battery long enough to hit that portion of the curve in a highly competitive arena like F1. They'd be demanding freshies every few weeks/months striving for that last few percent in wt/energy ratio.
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jeffro503 1/10/2020 8:02am
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The long game.........what do we do with all those old crusty batteries that are leaking acid every where? Oh that's right , we'll just stuff them all into the ground , or dump them in the middle of the ocean.
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Lead acid batteries are closed-loop recycled, meaning each part the the old batteries is recycled into a new battery. It is estimated that 98% of all lead acid batteries are recycled. ...from batterysolutions.com

You must be referring to the 2% then Jeffro.
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Deja New 1/10/2020 2:39pm
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id start watching again just for the sound... Monaco tunnel here we come Smile the starts would sound epic 22 2 stokes screaming like a pack of angry wasps.
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berniepiet 1/10/2020 3:28pm
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Kaaden'sTheory wrote:
This needs to happen. Can you imagine what 22 multi cylinder two-stroke F1 cars screaming into the tunnel at Monaco sounds like? Beautiful music!
I have personally witnessed Maclaren’s in the tunnel with Senna driving. It would take a lot to top that
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Eventually the big question will to come into focus, and that question is thus: will lithium-ion powered engines eventually become the vehicular equivalent of the fluorescent light bulb? Which is to say, not bad, but far too environmentally harmful to be the real answer - and quickly shuttled off into oblivion once the REAL solution emerges.

Hydrogen, the world may be your oyster.
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hillbilly 1/10/2020 4:04pm
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They should harvest cow farts to run the engines on,it's a shit show anyways
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Barrett57 1/10/2020 4:09pm
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The most boring sport on earth, 2 stroke engines will sound nice but watching paint dry will be more interesting.
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CPR 1/10/2020 4:34pm
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Back to 2t moto by 2030 then!
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F1 has turned to shit...bring back the turbo charged V-12's, let em turn 18k rpm, get rid of all the gimmicky bullshit and let the drivers drive the fucking car...
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seventeen 1/10/2020 6:20pm
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If two strokes help to get the rawness back so be it...
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seventeen wrote:
F1 has turned to shit...bring back the turbo charged V-12's, let em turn 18k rpm, get rid of all the gimmicky bullshit and let the drivers...
F1 has turned to shit...bring back the turbo charged V-12's, let em turn 18k rpm, get rid of all the gimmicky bullshit and let the drivers drive the fucking car...
That's not you Seb, is it? Whistling
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Deja New wrote:
id start watching again just for the sound... Monaco tunnel here we come :) the starts would sound epic 22 2 stokes screaming like a pack...
id start watching again just for the sound... Monaco tunnel here we come Smile the starts would sound epic 22 2 stokes screaming like a pack of angry wasps.
Did you post under two accounts? The same comment with the same mistake...
Bnagazina 1/10/2020 9:25pm
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"Honda - In 2007, at their annual meeting, announced that they would never make another 2-stroke engine again for environmental reasons. 2020 - uh oh... “Honda, we have a problem”

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Deja New wrote:
id start watching again just for the sound... Monaco tunnel here we come :) the starts would sound epic 22 2 stokes screaming like a pack...
id start watching again just for the sound... Monaco tunnel here we come Smile the starts would sound epic 22 2 stokes screaming like a pack of angry wasps.
tcallahan707 wrote:
Did you post under two accounts? The same comment with the same mistake...
Nope I just can’t spell dislixa as phuck Woohoo

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tcallahan707 1/10/2020 10:23pm
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Deja New wrote:
id start watching again just for the sound... Monaco tunnel here we come :) the starts would sound epic 22 2 stokes screaming like a pack...
id start watching again just for the sound... Monaco tunnel here we come Smile the starts would sound epic 22 2 stokes screaming like a pack of angry wasps.
tcallahan707 wrote:
Did you post under two accounts? The same comment with the same mistake...
Deja New wrote:
Nope I just can’t spell dislixa as phuck Woohoo
Does that apply to numbers? Lol
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Deja New 1/10/2020 10:33pm
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Haven’t watched in ages how many are on the grid now
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BobbyM 1/10/2020 10:48pm
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Mucktub wrote:
Lead acid batteries are closed-loop recycled, meaning each part the the old batteries is recycled into a new battery. It is estimated that 98% of all...
Lead acid batteries are closed-loop recycled, meaning each part the the old batteries is recycled into a new battery. It is estimated that 98% of all lead acid batteries are recycled. ...from batterysolutions.com

You must be referring to the 2% then Jeffro.
Lead acid batteries wouldn't make it through practice.
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kiwifan 1/10/2020 10:52pm
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Bnagazina wrote:
"Honda - In 2007, at their annual meeting, announced that they would never make another 2-stroke engine again for environmental reasons. 2020 - uh oh... “Honda...
"Honda - In 2007, at their annual meeting, announced that they would never make another 2-stroke engine again for environmental reasons. 2020 - uh oh... “Honda, we have a problem”

then again, companies are well known to change their minds if the need arises, so who knows what will happen
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monti248 1/10/2020 11:08pm
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I feel with Formula 1 your either a fan of the Driver or the Manufacturer. Bring on the progression of the sport!
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Getting away motor rev limiter they could push more HP out and make them broke down more often. That could bring back some pushing limits/braking down drama, now Mercedes havent miss race because they never broke down.
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Dust601 1/11/2020 1:27am
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seventeen wrote:
F1 has turned to shit...bring back the turbo charged V-12's, let em turn 18k rpm, get rid of all the gimmicky bullshit and let the drivers...
F1 has turned to shit...bring back the turbo charged V-12's, let em turn 18k rpm, get rid of all the gimmicky bullshit and let the drivers drive the fucking car...
It’s really depressing when cars can catch each other, but not even pass, because they overheat if they are outa fresh air for more then 30 seconds.
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Derpin' DJ 1/11/2020 2:12am
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Nothing to get excited about from a moto perspective; doubt you'd see an opposed piston engine in a motocross bike
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Mucktub 1/11/2020 3:43am
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Mucktub wrote:
Lead acid batteries are closed-loop recycled, meaning each part the the old batteries is recycled into a new battery. It is estimated that 98% of all...
Lead acid batteries are closed-loop recycled, meaning each part the the old batteries is recycled into a new battery. It is estimated that 98% of all lead acid batteries are recycled. ...from batterysolutions.com

You must be referring to the 2% then Jeffro.
BobbyM wrote:
Lead acid batteries wouldn't make it through practice.
That wasn't the point, just replying to Jeffro.

Lead acid generally out perform other battery types for longevity, the problem is size, weight, dangerous corrosive liquid, and explosive vapour.
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downard254 1/11/2020 6:00am
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So with this news, does it mean Honda will drop out of F1. I mean, they did say they would never build another 2 stroke, right?

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