Euros racing Monster cup

Turbojez
Profile picture for user Turbojez
Posts
2421
Joined
8/5/2015
Location
PL
Turbojez 7/27/2018 3:55am
7/27/2018 3:55am Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 3:57am
Question wrote:
I know that many euros do not like SX because they don't have a dog in it or tracks to train on, but I do think...
I know that many euros do not like SX because they don't have a dog in it or tracks to train on, but I do think so, that the US SX is more followed than the MXGP in Europe. In term of atmosphere too, each venue is at least matching in attendance the best GP venues like the UK, France, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands. Only the MXdN is above all.

Maybe right now the current GP generation is competitive against the US top guy (Tomac, Dungey, RV at 95%), but in the like past 30 years the US have always produced and attracted the best riders, McGrath and RC as native but also in terms of "internationals": Bayle, Albertijn, Pichon, Tortelli, Vuillemin, Roncada, Langston, Reed, CP, Rattray, Searle, Anstie, Musquin, Roczen, Ferrandis. Not all have titles, still this list has 15 world championships (whereas it was only a step as they competed most of their career in the US). Lots of GP riders that stayed in the GPs would not have titles or so many titles if the list above had been there.

To be considered as THE best, you have to win both in SX and MX so the US is at least a 3 to 5 years experience to do.
We (meaning euros) do have some dogs in SX, Isn't Roczen and Musquin European? Lack of interest has nothing to do with nationality, SX just gets boring (and I'm a moto freak) within first 3-6 rounds. I assume that a casual viewer couldn't tell A1 from A3, it would be like watching A1 twice. On the other hand, SX event is fun to watch live for a casual viewer just as going to the cinema or monster truck show is. You don't have to be a hardcore SX fan to attend and be entertained.

I disagree with the last paragraph also. To be considered THE best motocross racer you have to be the best at motocross. Again, what does SX have to do with it? It is a different game, it's just played with the same equipment.

Just to make it clear, I enjoy watching AMA Nationals just as much as I enjoy watching MXGPs. From round one, to the last checkers of the season, every year.
3
DonM
Profile picture for user DonM
Posts
6765
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
US
DonM 7/27/2018 5:19am
7/27/2018 5:19am
RichardLoots wrote:
not for you , but it is for most people on this planet ..
Juss72 wrote:
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets...
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets on the radio
RichardLoots wrote:
i mean like people from outside the USA ...how many people in that stadium came from outside USA ? lol SX is the pinnacle of the...
i mean like people from outside the USA ...how many people in that stadium came from outside USA ? lol

SX is the pinnacle of the sport for the USA mx part , i get that ...

you really think USA SX is watched more or followed more in Europa as MXGP ?? you cant be serious :-)
Based by the amount of people from outside the US that bitch about the coverage every year...I would say more watch SX outside the US than people outside Europe watch the GP's....In all seriousness I think you would be surprised at how many people outside the US follow and watch the SX races...FYI I watch all the races, GP's, SX and USMX, and they all have things that they are better at than the others and all have areas that they can improve on...
2
Prntscrn
Profile picture for user Prntscrn
Posts
1418
Joined
7/16/2015
Location
SE
Prntscrn 7/27/2018 7:12am
7/27/2018 7:12am Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 7:16am
oldmotophan wrote:
Herlings couldn't carry Tomac's jock strap at the MEC or Musquin or Roczen or Barcia or........list goes on. Yet I read in another thread that he...
Herlings couldn't carry Tomac's jock strap at the MEC or Musquin or Roczen or Barcia or........list goes on. Yet I read in another thread that he is the FMOTP? Agreed the Herlings is fast on open outdoor tracks he has raced for years. Likely 2 or 3 riders (Tomac, Anderson, Barcia) from the US could compete with him if they focused solely on outdoors and only rode half filled gates all the time. I guess we will see at Red Bud!!!!
MAYBE Tomac but the other two haha not a chance


And lol att guys saying Herlings wouldn't have a chance at the MEC. The dude is incredible

It's not like all he can do is ride in the sand

Starting to love SX ? Can't get enough of it lol ?

Ett inlägg delat av Jeffrey Herlings (@jeffrey_herlings84) 4 Okt 2016 kl. 8:07 PDT


2
Question
Profile picture for user Question
Posts
3083
Joined
6/26/2014
Location
FR
Question 7/27/2018 8:46am
7/27/2018 8:46am Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 8:47am
oldmotophan wrote:
Herlings couldn't carry Tomac's jock strap at the MEC or Musquin or Roczen or Barcia or........list goes on. Yet I read in another thread that he...
Herlings couldn't carry Tomac's jock strap at the MEC or Musquin or Roczen or Barcia or........list goes on. Yet I read in another thread that he is the FMOTP? Agreed the Herlings is fast on open outdoor tracks he has raced for years. Likely 2 or 3 riders (Tomac, Anderson, Barcia) from the US could compete with him if they focused solely on outdoors and only rode half filled gates all the time. I guess we will see at Red Bud!!!!
Prntscrn wrote:
MAYBE Tomac but the other two haha not a chance And lol att guys saying Herlings wouldn't have a chance at the MEC. The dude is...
MAYBE Tomac but the other two haha not a chance


And lol att guys saying Herlings wouldn't have a chance at the MEC. The dude is incredible

It's not like all he can do is ride in the sand

Starting to love SX ? Can't get enough of it lol ?

Ett inlägg delat av Jeffrey Herlings (@jeffrey_herlings84) 4 Okt 2016 kl. 8:07 PDT


Exactly. Incredible talent. Same level as Tomac and Roczen prior to his massive set backs. There are only 1, 2 to 3 riders like that every 10 years.

Anderson and Musquin are championship calibers if things go their way, but ... Herlings is what is missing to KTM/Husky to really challenge Tomac on pure speed.

I would love to see Herlings at the MEC. Would a podium change his mind? Probably not, and certainly not for 19, but at the end of 19 he should have already achieved his number 1 goal which is to beat Everts's 101 GP wins, so who knows.

The Shop

See All »
nrosso391
Profile picture for user nrosso391
Posts
2457
Joined
2/8/2014
Location
Champlin, MN US
Fantasy
2829th
nrosso391 7/27/2018 10:56am
7/27/2018 10:56am
TDeath21 wrote:
Why would they when US guys won’t even cross the pond for the MXoN?
Maybe because its $15-20K out of their pockets to go race over there just for MXdN
2
Idp57
Profile picture for user Idp57
Posts
422
Joined
12/4/2013
Location
Arlington Heights, IL US
Fantasy
2612th
Idp57 7/27/2018 11:39am
7/27/2018 11:39am
Prntscrn wrote:
MAYBE Tomac but the other two haha not a chance And lol att guys saying Herlings wouldn't have a chance at the MEC. The dude is...
MAYBE Tomac but the other two haha not a chance


And lol att guys saying Herlings wouldn't have a chance at the MEC. The dude is incredible

It's not like all he can do is ride in the sand

Starting to love SX ? Can't get enough of it lol ?

Ett inlägg delat av Jeffrey Herlings (@jeffrey_herlings84) 4 Okt 2016 kl. 8:07 PDT


Looks good to me Smile
BroFoSho
Profile picture for user BroFoSho
Posts
742
Joined
9/26/2013
Location
Tucson, AZ US
BroFoSho 7/27/2018 11:53am
7/27/2018 11:53am
Tim Gajser showed a lot more speed at Monster Cup than I was expecting. Granted it is a mellowed down SX track it terms of technicality.

I could see Herlings easily on the podium for Monster Cup if he ran it.

For actual Supercross, I think Herlings can definitely win, it would probably take him a year or two to get it fully figured out though. Remember, Roczen crashed his brains out when he first made the transition.
1
ruy
Profile picture for user ruy
Posts
4092
Joined
4/26/2009
Location
España ES
ruy 7/27/2018 12:08pm
7/27/2018 12:08pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 1:25pm
Question wrote:
With the MXdN just a week before, I would say it is this year or never for a lot of GP riders. The main issue is...
With the MXdN just a week before, I would say it is this year or never for a lot of GP riders.

The main issue is the bikes are set up very differently, Gajser did great (well until ...). Not sure others can do as great.

- Gajser, let us hope he give it another try, he did more than great for a first time.
- Paulin or Febvre should be able to race with a decent set up.
- Herlings can too, too much talent. He did well at the SMX cup too.
- Prado but I don't think he has ever trained on a 350/450.
- Lawrence ? It may be risky to try to race just after a week of sx prep.
- Anstie ? Why not since he is looking for a ride (I thought he was going HRC with Bogers out for longer)
Prado trained or tested the 350 last year, but I do not think he goes to the MC because he does not think about it, he is focused on getting the title of MX2 and also if he raised it, he does not have time before the race to train some Supercross . But being focused on MX2 and with such a long season I doubt that in his first year of opting for the title of MX2 he turned his attention to the MC
Without the whoops I do not see it as dangerous, I see the Red Bull Rhythm Section more dangerous
1
1
Question
Profile picture for user Question
Posts
3083
Joined
6/26/2014
Location
FR
Question 7/27/2018 4:45pm
7/27/2018 4:45pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 4:48pm
Question wrote:
With the MXdN just a week before, I would say it is this year or never for a lot of GP riders. The main issue is...
With the MXdN just a week before, I would say it is this year or never for a lot of GP riders.

The main issue is the bikes are set up very differently, Gajser did great (well until ...). Not sure others can do as great.

- Gajser, let us hope he give it another try, he did more than great for a first time.
- Paulin or Febvre should be able to race with a decent set up.
- Herlings can too, too much talent. He did well at the SMX cup too.
- Prado but I don't think he has ever trained on a 350/450.
- Lawrence ? It may be risky to try to race just after a week of sx prep.
- Anstie ? Why not since he is looking for a ride (I thought he was going HRC with Bogers out for longer)
ruy wrote:
Prado trained or tested the 350 last year, but I do not think he goes to the MC because he does not think about it, he...
Prado trained or tested the 350 last year, but I do not think he goes to the MC because he does not think about it, he is focused on getting the title of MX2 and also if he raised it, he does not have time before the race to train some Supercross . But being focused on MX2 and with such a long season I doubt that in his first year of opting for the title of MX2 he turned his attention to the MC
Without the whoops I do not see it as dangerous, I see the Red Bull Rhythm Section more dangerous
The music is painful which is why it got a thumb down (not from me), but the speed and style are there. If he decide to move to the us, I don't see why he wouldn't do as well as Ferrandis or Musquin for instance. I do think however that he is really tempted to take the golden spot at DeCarli, which is very understantable.

And BTW you are right about the RBSR, it is only for SX specialists. They go 110% in it and there is not much room for error. The MEC (or Paris) seems much better as first steps.
jorgechavez 7/27/2018 5:03pm
7/27/2018 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 5:11pm
RichardHerlings has been huffing glue if he thinks the GP's draws a bigger audience than SX.

Not exactly shocking though. Lets just hope that ol' Richards panties don't get so wadded up that he forgets how to speak English again.
3
3
WCRider
Profile picture for user WCRider
Posts
3134
Joined
8/19/2017
Location
BE
Fantasy
2301st
WCRider 7/28/2018 1:36am
7/28/2018 1:36am
Richard is so chauvinistic that he is rarely objective....
1
RichardLoots 7/28/2018 2:07am
7/28/2018 2:07am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2018 2:22am
WCRider wrote:
Richard is so chauvinistic that he is rarely objective....
looks like you dont even know what that word means .try again
4
RichardLoots 7/28/2018 2:20am
7/28/2018 2:20am Edited Date/Time 7/29/2018 4:23am
jorgechavez wrote:
RichardHerlings has been huffing glue if he thinks the GP's draws a bigger audience than SX. Not exactly shocking though. Lets just hope that ol' Richards...
RichardHerlings has been huffing glue if he thinks the GP's draws a bigger audience than SX.

Not exactly shocking though. Lets just hope that ol' Richards panties don't get so wadded up that he forgets how to speak English again.
tell me how many people watch SX on avg per race ?? take a wild quess as you seem to know it all and im curious

and you dont know , just trying to be the smartass once again with some BS and ignorance


oh and btw dude , whats your issue with panties ??
LMFAO you use that word a lot around here , im not a tranny or so
3
HenryA
Profile picture for user HenryA
Posts
3789
Joined
12/29/2011
Location
Stockholm SE
HenryA 7/28/2018 3:34am
7/28/2018 3:34am
Anaheim 2 vs Indonesia 2



2
RichardLoots 7/28/2018 3:37am
7/28/2018 3:37am
HenryA wrote:
Anaheim 2 vs Indonesia 2 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/07/28/277333/s1200_a2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/07/28/277334/s1200_indo2.jpg[/img]
Anaheim 2 vs Indonesia 2



lol ... were talking viewers worldwide not spectators ... LaughingLaughing
1
HenryA
Profile picture for user HenryA
Posts
3789
Joined
12/29/2011
Location
Stockholm SE
HenryA 7/28/2018 3:46am
7/28/2018 3:46am
RichardLoots wrote:
lol ... were talking viewers worldwide not spectators ... LaughingLaughing
Haha yeah I know, it was just a joke man.
1
oldmotophan 7/28/2018 1:52pm
7/28/2018 1:52pm
I am curious about how many people watch the mxgp on subscription? 50,000 maybe? Anybody know how to come up with the real numbers, I know how many watch supercross on tv because the numbers are published.
ruy
Profile picture for user ruy
Posts
4092
Joined
4/26/2009
Location
España ES
ruy 7/28/2018 3:35pm
7/28/2018 3:35pm
HenryA wrote:
Anaheim 2 vs Indonesia 2 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/07/28/277333/s1200_a2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/07/28/277334/s1200_indo2.jpg[/img]
Anaheim 2 vs Indonesia 2




Sweden

Pit Row

See All »
NateDawg
Profile picture for user NateDawg
Posts
394
Joined
7/5/2017
Location
Athens, GA US
NateDawg 7/28/2018 3:42pm
7/28/2018 3:42pm
HuskyEd wrote:
Herlings would have no chance. Not his forte.
fanger wrote:
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up...
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a sx race?
RichardLoots wrote:
but how can we say anybody is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a MXGP race? the best MX serie...
but how can we say anybody is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a MXGP race? the best MX serie of the world
Tomac has lined up in MXGP, and blown the doors off everybody more than once.
2
RichardLoots 7/29/2018 4:21am
7/29/2018 4:21am
NateDawg wrote:
Tomac has lined up in MXGP, and blown the doors off everybody more than once.
youre not that smart he Wink

Post a reply to: Euros racing Monster cup