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5/14/2018 5:34 AM

I’d like to hear your debate on why it’s a good thing or a bad thing.

I see both sides of the fence.

1. This is a professional sport, NHL, NFL, MLB players don’t have to pay admission when they walk in the gate of another stadium. Why do our athletes have to? It’s ludicrous to charge the talent on a “pay to play” system, which scares away a lot of the local and regional racers.
The organizing body make enough money to not have to offset the cost of purse with charging entries. Isn’t that what ticket sales are for?

2. This is the biggest little sport in the world. Much like majority of Motorsports, there is a race fee to offset the costs of the facility. When it’s a pro national race, the riders pay goes into the purse payout. If you’re quality enough rider you will make your money back and some. No different than sitting down at the casino tables and the mandatory buy in. Also- the $250 fee deters any racers that don’t really belong. If all you had to have was a pro license, perhaps it would attract too many guys slipping through the cracks of the system that would be more of a burden than adding talent and could take away potential spots on the entry list for people that should/more deserving to be there.


Add your two cents. I want further opinion.

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5/14/2018 5:49 AM

i dont think the traditional stick and ball sports have an entry fee at any level. In highschool we could play for free. I think all you needed was to buy the uniform and cleets. Maybe a glove for baseball. Id assume a college deal would include the gear.

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5/14/2018 6:00 AM

kb228 wrote:

i dont think the traditional stick and ball sports have an entry fee at any level. In highschool we could play for free. I think all you needed was to buy the uniform and cleets. Maybe a glove for baseball. Id assume a college deal would include the gear.

Even YMCA private leagues charge to join the team. Travel leagues are very very expensive. You don’t play baseball for free anywhere other than for your public high school or middle school.

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5/14/2018 6:49 AM

F1 has entry fees in the millions for the year.
NASCAR has entry fees.
IndyCar has entry fees.
Golfer's pay to play and have to pay their caddy.

It's not something unique or exclusive to MX.

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5/14/2018 7:16 AM

Every NBA or NFL or NHL or MLB player has to pay union fees in order to play in their respective leagues. It's a different kind of entry.

DC
Racer X

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5/14/2018 8:18 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/14/2018 8:20 AM

DC wrote:

Every NBA or NFL or NHL or MLB player has to pay union fees in order to play in their respective leagues. It's a different kind of entry.

DC
Racer X

One could argue the $11,000 in Union dues ($70 a day x 160 games) in MLB are relatively small portion of an average players salary of $4m per year.

If a rider makes 12 fast 40’s and collects a figurative $1000 per weekend- his entry fee is one quarter of his earnings. With no union representation.

HOWEVER. An individual must understand the difference between one series selling 20-30k tickets 12 times vs 30 teams selling an average of 10-15k tickets 162 times.

If you remember my demeanor the few times we’ve spoke, DC, you’d know I’m not here to be a nuisance or argumentative over the system. These are things I am considering as my pro license is pending approval again. I’m just interested in opinion.

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5/14/2018 8:28 AM

Stick and ball is a horrible comparison. The 2 business models are nothing alike. Other Motorsports or golf/fishing tournaments are a better comparisonp as others have mentioned and currently operate in a similar manner. This goes for any aspect of pro-moto. Until there are a limited number of teams with home tracks, hundreds on the roster and big money tv contracts comparing Moto to any pro stick and ball is a non starter.

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5/14/2018 8:28 AM

DC wrote:

Every NBA or NFL or NHL or MLB player has to pay union fees in order to play in their respective leagues. It's a different kind of entry.

DC
Racer X

Rider's union one time!

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5/14/2018 8:29 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/14/2018 8:30 AM

Woah, those union fees offer something in return!

Moto entry fees:
1) aids in removing liability from the promoters! “You paid to do this”
2) a guy has to finish what top 30 to see his money back from the entry fee?
3) if I was a promoter I would make money however I could make money also!

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5/14/2018 9:06 AM

DC wrote:

Every NBA or NFL or NHL or MLB player has to pay union fees in order to play in their respective leagues. It's a different kind of entry.

DC
Racer X

But it is offset by huge salaries and there are no privateers in the NFL.
Image result for nfl league minimumwww.profootballrumors.com
The 4-year minimum base salaries for players in this year's draft are as follows: $465,000 (Year 1), $540,000 (Year 2), $615,000 (Year 3), $690,000 (Year 4). If eventually signed to a contract, each rookie drafted will get a 4-year deal, whereas undrafted rookies are only eligible for 3-year contracts.Apr 28, 2017
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I guess you could call undrafted rookies privateers. But if signed they do a get a 3 year deal. That $465k would be a huge year in SX/MX yet in the NFL is the minimum wage. No way to even compare.

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5/14/2018 9:11 AM

Professional bowling (PBA) has entry fees and must also have to pay for membership each year. Entry fees can be from $175 to $1000 depending on the event.

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5/14/2018 9:22 AM

I know there is little comparison with motorsports to stick and ball sports, I was just making the point that there are few sports you play for free entry, professional or not.

DC
Racer X

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5/14/2018 9:36 AM

DC wrote:

I know there is little comparison with motorsports to stick and ball sports, I was just making the point that there are few sports you play for free entry, professional or not.

DC
Racer X

Maybe a better comparison might be NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, MotoGP, or Superbike racing. Do they all charge race fees for competitors too?

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5/14/2018 9:42 AM

DC wrote:

I know there is little comparison with motorsports to stick and ball sports, I was just making the point that there are few sports you play for free entry, professional or not.

DC
Racer X

SeaClassExpert wrote:

Maybe a better comparison might be NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, MotoGP, or Superbike racing. Do they all charge race fees for competitors too?

NASCAR entry fees and crew credentials were ridiculously expensive in the late 80's. Not sure about now.

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5/14/2018 9:51 AM

SeaClassExpert wrote:

Maybe a better comparison might be NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, MotoGP, or Superbike racing. Do they all charge race fees for competitors too?

Yes they do.

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5/14/2018 10:03 AM

DC wrote:

I know there is little comparison with motorsports to stick and ball sports, I was just making the point that there are few sports you play for free entry, professional or not.

DC
Racer X

SeaClassExpert wrote:

Maybe a better comparison might be NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, MotoGP, or Superbike racing. Do they all charge race fees for competitors too?

lostboy819 wrote:

Yes they do.

All of them do?

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If it can't be fixed with a hammer, it's an electrical problem.

5/14/2018 10:26 AM

SeaClassExpert wrote:

All of them do?

The MotoGP class is restricted to a certain number of teams which they purchase (?) But then are reimbursed (?). The whole deal is pretty complicated but bottom line is that there are no walk-ons so an entry fee is not really needed.

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5/14/2018 10:46 AM

Could be worse - to race S.B.I. I will have to pay $1500.00 for a yearly registration plus $875.00 entry fee at each race. Photo

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5/14/2018 10:59 AM

It seems like the same people that complain that this sport needs to be 'like other professional sports' (even though those sports have HUGE markets) are the same that complain with the progression of bikes and other avenues of growth....

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5/14/2018 11:15 AM

DC wrote:

I know there is little comparison with motorsports to stick and ball sports, I was just making the point that there are few sports you play for free entry, professional or not.

DC
Racer X

Do the entry fees have a designated recipient? For example does it benefit the facility? Or is it just part of the MX Sports revenue?

I don't even know how much the fee is.

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5/14/2018 11:17 AM

On the flip side of this coin are the race purses. They are somewhat dismal imho. I would really love to see more money up for grabs at the actual races.

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5/14/2018 11:40 AM

motomike137 wrote:

On the flip side of this coin are the race purses. They are somewhat dismal imho. I would really love to see more money up for grabs at the actual races.

yeah especially for outdoors would be really cool to see 10 - 20 get a big boost...........thats the meat and potatoes of where the next Peick's come from

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5/14/2018 11:46 AM

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

One could argue the $11,000 in Union dues ($70 a day x 160 games) in MLB are relatively small portion of an average players salary of $4m per year.

If a rider makes 12 fast 40’s and collects a figurative $1000 per weekend- his entry fee is one quarter of his earnings. With no union representation.

HOWEVER. An individual must understand the difference between one series selling 20-30k tickets 12 times vs 30 teams selling an average of 10-15k tickets 162 times.

If you remember my demeanor the few times we’ve spoke, DC, you’d know I’m not here to be a nuisance or argumentative over the system. These are things I am considering as my pro license is pending approval again. I’m just interested in opinion.

Two questions...

Which nationals are selling between 20-30k in tickets?

How many of the nationals do you do per season?

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5/14/2018 3:41 PM

IWreckALot wrote:

Do the entry fees have a designated recipient? For example does it benefit the facility? Or is it just part of the MX Sports revenue?

I don't even know how much the fee is.

Last year the entry fee was $245. https://mxsportsproracing.com/pages/race-registration

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5/14/2018 3:54 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/14/2018 4:20 PM

A quick Google scan...

NHRA Pro Mod: $500
NHRA Alcohol Dragster or Funny Car: $250
NHRA Top Fuel Harley: $210

NASCAR Sprint Cup: $3,630 (per event, not including a franchise)
Indy 500: $12,000 (2013 info)
F1 team: $3.3 million (season ... 2013 info)
IndyCar team: $456,000 (season ... 2013 info)


Personally, I've never done anything worth doing that didn't have an entry fee.

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5/14/2018 4:07 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/14/2018 4:08 PM

When the Elete series first started in the BASSMASTERS you had to pay $1000 each for 6 regular tournaments and finish top ten and have the opportunity to pay 65k up front to join the Elete series. But if you did horrible you still made around that through the series. So everyone gets paid but they cut the bottom points guys for new qualifiers each year.

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5/14/2018 6:32 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/14/2018 6:33 PM

GuyB wrote:

Two questions...

Which nationals are selling between 20-30k in tickets?

How many of the nationals do you do per season?

Am I blown out on my ticket sales estimate? I always thought that was ballpark number for attendance.

This year, Tenn., Southwick, Millville. Last national I raced was 09 so I am having to go through the discretionary approval. Finally got a position and seniority at FedEx to get the time off to do three races.

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5/14/2018 7:08 PM

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

One could argue the $11,000 in Union dues ($70 a day x 160 games) in MLB are relatively small portion of an average players salary of $4m per year.

If a rider makes 12 fast 40’s and collects a figurative $1000 per weekend- his entry fee is one quarter of his earnings. With no union representation.

HOWEVER. An individual must understand the difference between one series selling 20-30k tickets 12 times vs 30 teams selling an average of 10-15k tickets 162 times.

If you remember my demeanor the few times we’ve spoke, DC, you’d know I’m not here to be a nuisance or argumentative over the system. These are things I am considering as my pro license is pending approval again. I’m just interested in opinion.

GuyB wrote:

Two questions...

Which nationals are selling between 20-30k in tickets?

How many of the nationals do you do per season?

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

Am I blown out on my ticket sales estimate? I always thought that was ballpark number for attendance.

This year, Tenn., Southwick, Millville. Last national I raced was 09 so I am having to go through the discretionary approval. Finally got a position and seniority at FedEx to get the time off to do three races.

I think 10,000 - 15000 is a more realistic ticket sales number for the nationals.

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5/14/2018 7:32 PM

-MAVERICK- wrote:

F1 has entry fees in the millions for the year.
NASCAR has entry fees.
IndyCar has entry fees.
Golfer's pay to play and have to pay their caddy.

It's not something unique or exclusive to MX.

Mav's points answer the question.

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5/14/2018 7:44 PM

Nobody is forced to race anything, Racing is and always has been about money, if you got money you can race if you don't you can't.

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