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Six weeks and a half before the GP season takes off, and Youthstream revealed the participants yesterday. Pretty stacked, certainly compaired with last years attendants.

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Nr. Rider Fed. Nat. Bike Team

4 Arnaud Tonus SUI FMS Yamaha Wilvo Yamaha MXGP
7 Tanel Leok EST EMF Husqvarna Husqvarna 8Biano Racing
9 Ken De Dycker BEL FMB Suzuki J-TECH Suzuki Valenti
12 Maximilian Nagl GER DMSB Husqvarna Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing
17 José Butrón ESP RFME KTM Marchetti Racing Team KTM
21 Gautier Paulin FRA MCM Husqvarna Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing
22 Kevin Strijbos BEL FMB Suzuki Team Suzuki World MXGP
24 Shaun Simpson GBR ACU Yamaha Wilvo Yamaha MXGP
25 Clément Desalle BEL FMB Kawasaki Monster Energy Kawasaki Racing Team
27 Arminas Jasikonis LTU LMSF Suzuki Team Suzuki World MXGP
45 Jake Nicholls GBR ACU KTM Hitachi KTM UK
71 Damon Graulus BEL FMB Honda 24MX Lucas Oil Honda
77 Alessandro Lupino ITA FMI Honda Team Honda Red Moto
79 Jaap Corneth NED KNMV Yamaha STC Racing
84 Jeffrey Herlings NED KNMV KTM Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
89 Jeremy Van Horebeek BEL FMB Yamaha Monster Energy Yamaha Factory Racing
92 Valentin Guillod SUI FMS Honda Team Honda Red Moto
99 Max Anstie GBR ACU Husqvarna Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing
100 Tommy Searle GBR ACU Kawasaki Monster Energy DRT Kawasaki
222 Antonio Cairoli ITA FMI KTM Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
243 Tim Gajser SLO AMZS Honda Team HRC MXGP
259 Glenn Coldenhoff NED KNMV KTM Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
461 Romain Febvre FRA FFM Yamaha Monster Energy Yamaha Factory Racing
777 Evgeny Bobryshev RUS MUL Honda Team HRC MXGP
868 Michael Docherty RSA UAEMC Kawasaki
911 Jordi Tixier FRA FFM Kawasaki Monster Energy Kawasaki Racing Team
999 Rui Gonçalves POR FMP Husqvarna Husqvarna 8Biano Racing

MX2

Nr. Rider Fed. Nat. Bike Team

6 Benoît Paturel FRA FFM Yamaha Kemea Yamaha Yamalube Racing
10 Calvin Vlaanderen NED KNMV KTM HSF Logistics Motorsport Team
15 Davide Bonini ITA FMI KTM KTM Silver Action
18 Vsevolod Brylyakov RUS MFR Kawasaki Monster Energy DRT Kawasaki
19 Thomas Kjær Olsen DEN DMU Husqvarna Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing
28 Chihiro Notsuka JPN MFJ Honda Team HRC
29 Henry Jacobi GER DMSB Husqvarna STC Racing
33 Julien Lieber BEL FMB KTM LRT KTM
41 Pauls Jonass LAT LaMSF KTM Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
46 Davy Pootjes NED KNMV KTM HSF Logistics Motorsport Team
57 Darian Sanayei USA AMA Kawasaki Monster Energy DRT Kawasaki
61 Jorge Prado García ESP RFME KTM Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
64 Thomas Covington USA AMA Husqvarna Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing
66 Iker Larrañaga ESP RFME Husqvarna Husqvarna 8Biano Racing
67 Magne Klingsheim NOR NMF Kawasaki F&H Racing
91 Jeremy Seewer SUI FMS Suzuki Team Suzuki World MX2
96 Hunter Lawrence AUS MA Suzuki Team Suzuki World MX2
97 Maykal Ivanov BUL QMMF Honda Vamo Racing Team
98 Bas Vaessen NED KNMV Suzuki Team Suzuki World MX2
118 Stephen Rubini FRA FFM Kawasaki Monster Energy Kawasaki Racing Team
128 Ivo Monticelli ITA FMI KTM Marchetti Racing Team KTM
152 Petar Petrov BUL QMMF Kawasaki Monster Energy Kawasaki Racing Team
161 Alvin Östlund SWE SVEMO Yamaha Kemea Yamaha Yamalube Racing
170 Caleb Ward AUS MA Husqvarna Husqvarna 8Biano Racing
172 Brent Van Doninck BEL FMB Yamaha Kemea Yamaha Yamalube Racing
189 Brian Bogers NED KNMV KTM HSF Logistics Motorsport Team
200 James Dunn GBR ACU Yamaha iFly JK Racing
211 Nicholas Lapucci ITA FMI KTM Italian Factory Racing
223 Giuseppe Tropepe ITA FMI Suzuki J-TECH Suzuki Valenti
297 Anton Gole SWE SVEMO Husqvarna CEC Husqvarna Sweden
321 Samuele Bernardini ITA FMI TM TM Factory Racing Team
426 Conrad Mewse GBR ACU Husqvarna Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing
747 Michele Cervellin ITA FMI Honda Team HRC
811 Adam Sterry GBR ACU Kawasaki Monster Energy Kawasaki Racing Team
841 Luca Moroni ITA FMI KTM Italian Factory Racing
919 Ben Watson GBR ACU KTM Hitachi KTM UK
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1-forty-8 1/10/2017 2:50am
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Can't wait to see how mx2 plays out this year. The door is wide open for a new boss. I love these transition periods, we get to find out who wants it the most. The racing should be fantastic.

And of course mx1 should be a pretty cool 4 way battle too. I just wonder how long before 84 starts to either walk away with it.. or something bad happens along the way.

Really looking forward to the GP's this year to be honest. Bring it on.
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NVA57 1/10/2017 2:50am
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This is gonna be an exiting year with Herlings in MXGP now (unless he runs away with it). Can't wait to see what Gajser, Febvre and perhaps Cairoli have for him.

MX2 class is weird, only one rider who has won a GP before! Also the MX2 class kinda looks like an EMX250 entry list now lol.
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DeStouwer 1/10/2017 3:13am
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NVA57 wrote:
This is gonna be an exiting year with Herlings in MXGP now (unless he runs away with it). Can't wait to see what Gajser, Febvre and...
This is gonna be an exiting year with Herlings in MXGP now (unless he runs away with it). Can't wait to see what Gajser, Febvre and perhaps Cairoli have for him.

MX2 class is weird, only one rider who has won a GP before! Also the MX2 class kinda looks like an EMX250 entry list now lol.
Yeah, Covington. Hardly to believe he got an overall before guys like Seewer, Jonass and Paturel, who are the favourites in this class according to me.
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mpy 1/10/2017 3:19am
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Looking forward to the MXGP season! Racing should be good in both classes... because Herlings moved to the MXGP class.

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Swedishmxfan 1/10/2017 3:21am
1/10/2017 3:21am
The last 2 seasons have been suprising with Febvre and Gajser. No One expected that at the beginning of 15 and 16. Herlings will have more pressure from his debut. It will be intresting to see Cairolis experience against herlings, Gajser and febvres Speed Smile And My English is not very good i know that Smile
Sandwarrior752 1/10/2017 5:00am
1/10/2017 5:00am
Can't wait till Qatar really. Both classes are looking really good and hyped up!

mx2 feels so wide open. I feel like Paturel & Seewer are kind of the most experienced guys that we'll see emerge. Also the USA youngster Darian Sanayei i have high hopes for, he was damn impressive at the end of last emx 250 season.

mxgp i think we'll be in for an epic season, Gajser & Herlings are gonne push that class to another level.
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Motofinne 1/10/2017 5:03am
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I love the GPs but it's so difficult to have the same enthusiasm as with SX when they start in Qatar and Indonesia.

But it will be very exciting to watch both classes. The 450 class is ultra stacked and the 250 class is wide open!

I can't wait for the first real round in Argentina, probably one of the best tracks in the world.
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ehr400 1/10/2017 5:07am
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I just wish they would stop with these rounds, poor tracks, poor dirt, be better off doing a GP in america at that time then when they have been doing it.

Since I am complaining, when are they gonna put Leirop back on the schedule??? I would rather see races there then Lommel.
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Alex 1/10/2017 5:12am
1/10/2017 5:12am Edited Date/Time 1/10/2017 5:17am
I almost forgot Herlings has finally joined the big boys! I think he might just pick up where he left off at the Nations. Will be fun to see how Febvre and Gaisjer respond. I'm putting my money on GP21 as the dark horse.
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Park Boys 1/10/2017 5:17am
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If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None the less we have never seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors.
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jamma10 1/10/2017 5:29am
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Park Boys wrote:
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None...
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None the less we have never seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors.
You really think so?

Gajsers a talented kid but I don't think he's as special as you're making him out to be.
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Park Boys 1/10/2017 5:52am
1/10/2017 5:52am Edited Date/Time 1/10/2017 6:17am
Park Boys wrote:
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None...
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None the less we have never seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors.
jamma10 wrote:
You really think so?

Gajsers a talented kid but I don't think he's as special as you're making him out to be.
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving up after he said his bike was slow,(hindsight everyone knows KTM owns MX2)I thought maybe he was dodging JH but from race 1 on his 450 he was lights out. He has improved so much the last two years it's nuts but everyone seems to still be JH this JH that. Prime example was SMX cup, Gasjer beats JH for the lap challenge and then smokes them in Moto 1 was killing it again in Moto 2 until he crashes, JH wins Moto 3 and he is god and everyone talks about Moto 3, completely ignoring the 20 year old who was killing it. Without the Moto 2 crash Gasjer wins easily.
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Pepe 1/10/2017 6:05am
1/10/2017 6:05am Edited Date/Time 1/10/2017 6:05am
Jonass and Pootjes show in MX2.

shaffstall721 1/10/2017 6:11am
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Park Boys wrote:
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None...
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None the less we have never seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors.
jamma10 wrote:
You really think so?

Gajsers a talented kid but I don't think he's as special as you're making him out to be.
Park Boys wrote:
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving...
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving up after he said his bike was slow,(hindsight everyone knows KTM owns MX2)I thought maybe he was dodging JH but from race 1 on his 450 he was lights out. He has improved so much the last two years it's nuts but everyone seems to still be JH this JH that. Prime example was SMX cup, Gasjer beats JH for the lap challenge and then smokes them in Moto 1 was killing it again in Moto 2 until he crashes, JH wins Moto 3 and he is god and everyone talks about Moto 3, completely ignoring the 20 year old who was killing it. Without the Moto 2 crash Gasjer wins easily.
I totally agree Park Boys, everyone is talking about Jeffrey is the favor to win, I do not agree at all.

I will be surprised if Herlings beats him in the first 6 motos, unless falls, or terrible starts get in the way.

I actually will bet 1 person on this site 20 bucks Gajser beats Herlings in points.

Also I am thankful Ryan Villopoto got me interested in the series over the pond, its a lot more interesting than supercross.
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jamma10 1/10/2017 6:40am
1/10/2017 6:40am Edited Date/Time 1/10/2017 6:49am
Park Boys wrote:
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None...
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None the less we have never seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors.
jamma10 wrote:
You really think so?

Gajsers a talented kid but I don't think he's as special as you're making him out to be.
Park Boys wrote:
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving...
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving up after he said his bike was slow,(hindsight everyone knows KTM owns MX2)I thought maybe he was dodging JH but from race 1 on his 450 he was lights out. He has improved so much the last two years it's nuts but everyone seems to still be JH this JH that. Prime example was SMX cup, Gasjer beats JH for the lap challenge and then smokes them in Moto 1 was killing it again in Moto 2 until he crashes, JH wins Moto 3 and he is god and everyone talks about Moto 3, completely ignoring the 20 year old who was killing it. Without the Moto 2 crash Gasjer wins easily.
You said we haven't seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors. Im not sure the SMX cup was the best barometer, it's essentially a novelty indoor event. Nevermind the fact Herlings had only jumped on a 450 two or three weeks prior while Gajser had a full MXGP season under his belt.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's an immensely talented rider (I was championing him when he first started out in MX2) and you may very well be right, but he had a few erratic results in 2016 and got dropped at Glen Helen, which dented his reputation IMO. Im not sure whether you were talking exclusively about 20 year old GP riders, but Im pretty confident Roczen was a better rider when he won his 450 Outdoor title aged 20, not to mention Stewart or RC back in the day.


Either way, it makes for a really interesting MXGP series this year! Smile
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kkawboy14 1/10/2017 6:46am
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Park Boys wrote:
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None...
If Gasjer improves as much this year as he has the last two than everyone will be racing for second. But thats a big ask. None the less we have never seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors.
jamma10 wrote:
You really think so?

Gajsers a talented kid but I don't think he's as special as you're making him out to be.
Maybe he's not but that new Honda......
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doghouse 1/10/2017 6:51am
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jamma10 wrote:
You really think so?

Gajsers a talented kid but I don't think he's as special as you're making him out to be.
Park Boys wrote:
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving...
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving up after he said his bike was slow,(hindsight everyone knows KTM owns MX2)I thought maybe he was dodging JH but from race 1 on his 450 he was lights out. He has improved so much the last two years it's nuts but everyone seems to still be JH this JH that. Prime example was SMX cup, Gasjer beats JH for the lap challenge and then smokes them in Moto 1 was killing it again in Moto 2 until he crashes, JH wins Moto 3 and he is god and everyone talks about Moto 3, completely ignoring the 20 year old who was killing it. Without the Moto 2 crash Gasjer wins easily.
jamma10 wrote:
You said we haven't seen a 20 year old this fast [i]outdoors[/i]. Im not sure the SMX cup was the best barometer, it's essentially a novelty...
You said we haven't seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors. Im not sure the SMX cup was the best barometer, it's essentially a novelty indoor event. Nevermind the fact Herlings had only jumped on a 450 two or three weeks prior while Gajser had a full MXGP season under his belt.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's an immensely talented rider (I was championing him when he first started out in MX2) and you may very well be right, but he had a few erratic results in 2016 and got dropped at Glen Helen, which dented his reputation IMO. Im not sure whether you were talking exclusively about 20 year old GP riders, but Im pretty confident Roczen was a better rider when he won his 450 Outdoor title aged 20, not to mention Stewart or RC back in the day.


Either way, it makes for a really interesting MXGP series this year! Smile
Stewart was the first thing that popped to mind when someone said fast 20 year old outside.

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Park Boys 1/10/2017 6:55am
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jamma10 wrote:
You really think so?

Gajsers a talented kid but I don't think he's as special as you're making him out to be.
Park Boys wrote:
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving...
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving up after he said his bike was slow,(hindsight everyone knows KTM owns MX2)I thought maybe he was dodging JH but from race 1 on his 450 he was lights out. He has improved so much the last two years it's nuts but everyone seems to still be JH this JH that. Prime example was SMX cup, Gasjer beats JH for the lap challenge and then smokes them in Moto 1 was killing it again in Moto 2 until he crashes, JH wins Moto 3 and he is god and everyone talks about Moto 3, completely ignoring the 20 year old who was killing it. Without the Moto 2 crash Gasjer wins easily.
jamma10 wrote:
You said we haven't seen a 20 year old this fast [i]outdoors[/i]. Im not sure the SMX cup was the best barometer, it's essentially a novelty...
You said we haven't seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors. Im not sure the SMX cup was the best barometer, it's essentially a novelty indoor event. Nevermind the fact Herlings had only jumped on a 450 two or three weeks prior while Gajser had a full MXGP season under his belt.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's an immensely talented rider (I was championing him when he first started out in MX2) and you may very well be right, but he had a few erratic results in 2016 and got dropped at Glen Helen, which dented his reputation IMO. Im not sure whether you were talking exclusively about 20 year old GP riders, but Im pretty confident Roczen was a better rider when he won his 450 Outdoor title aged 20, not to mention Stewart or RC back in the day.


Either way, it makes for a really interesting MXGP series this year! Smile
Roczen was better at 20 the first half of the season but faded bad at the end of the year. Bubba was fast at 20 but usually behind RC, and RC was more dominant but not as fast, I will point out the bikes being better and training evolution help him when comparing him to RC/Bubba at 20. The reason I bring up SMX is cause Gasjer was easily the star of the show IMO but everyone was still talking about JH. Getting dropped by Tomac at a very American track to me is not nearly as bad as let's say being beat by Jason Anderson on your side of the pond, that's how I look at that. Tomac has arguably gone faster than anyone ever outdoors vs Anderson who has never finished higher than 3rd in a AMA 450 Moto. Either way this upcoming season will be good. I think Gasjer and Herlings will go back and forth a lot, the pace is to high for Febvre as evident by all his crashes and I think a real rutty technical track will let AC shine from time to time.
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Park Boys 1/10/2017 6:56am
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Park Boys wrote:
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving...
I think it's insane how under the radar this guy still is after winning two titles in a row, I was questioning his reason for moving up after he said his bike was slow,(hindsight everyone knows KTM owns MX2)I thought maybe he was dodging JH but from race 1 on his 450 he was lights out. He has improved so much the last two years it's nuts but everyone seems to still be JH this JH that. Prime example was SMX cup, Gasjer beats JH for the lap challenge and then smokes them in Moto 1 was killing it again in Moto 2 until he crashes, JH wins Moto 3 and he is god and everyone talks about Moto 3, completely ignoring the 20 year old who was killing it. Without the Moto 2 crash Gasjer wins easily.
jamma10 wrote:
You said we haven't seen a 20 year old this fast [i]outdoors[/i]. Im not sure the SMX cup was the best barometer, it's essentially a novelty...
You said we haven't seen a 20 year old this fast outdoors. Im not sure the SMX cup was the best barometer, it's essentially a novelty indoor event. Nevermind the fact Herlings had only jumped on a 450 two or three weeks prior while Gajser had a full MXGP season under his belt.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's an immensely talented rider (I was championing him when he first started out in MX2) and you may very well be right, but he had a few erratic results in 2016 and got dropped at Glen Helen, which dented his reputation IMO. Im not sure whether you were talking exclusively about 20 year old GP riders, but Im pretty confident Roczen was a better rider when he won his 450 Outdoor title aged 20, not to mention Stewart or RC back in the day.


Either way, it makes for a really interesting MXGP series this year! Smile
doghouse wrote:
Stewart was the first thing that popped to mind when someone said fast 20 year old outside.
Stewart was balls out fast at Hangtown and High Point 06 and after his second Moto crash at High Point he never recovered to his rounds 1 and 2 speed the rest of the year IMO.
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doghouse 1/10/2017 6:59am
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Stewart was balls out fast at Hangtown and High Point 06 and after his second Moto crash at High Point he never recovered to his rounds...
Stewart was balls out fast at Hangtown and High Point 06 and after his second Moto crash at High Point he never recovered to his rounds 1 and 2 speed the rest of the year IMO.
True, but he was so blazing for awhile there I'm not sure it will be matched.

Also, as someone mentioned, RC was more dominant, but probably not as fast.
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Park Boys 1/10/2017 7:06am
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True, but he was so blazing for awhile there I'm not sure it will be matched. Also, as someone mentioned, RC was more dominant, but probably...
True, but he was so blazing for awhile there I'm not sure it will be matched.

Also, as someone mentioned, RC was more dominant, but probably not as fast.
He was blazing fast outdoors but he was more than matched by RC outdoors.

I said the comment about RC not being as fast but it's also a lil unfair to compare RC from 16 years ago on a two stroke.
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sende 1/10/2017 7:07am
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The last 2 seasons have been suprising with Febvre and Gajser. No One expected that at the beginning of 15 and 16. Herlings will have more...
The last 2 seasons have been suprising with Febvre and Gajser. No One expected that at the beginning of 15 and 16. Herlings will have more pressure from his debut. It will be intresting to see Cairolis experience against herlings, Gajser and febvres Speed Smile And My English is not very good i know that Smile
Nothing wrong with your English. Welcome to the forum.

Herlings has pressure for sure, but he'll be the man to beat. Febvre and Gajser are the nearest challengers.
If Cairoli is 100% healthy, he will be in the mix. This maybe his final year, when he can win a championship.

This year I will go to my first trip to Netherlands and will go to the GP of Europe. It'll be interesting to see how fast Herlings goes in Valkenswaard. Gonna have a "few" beers in Amsterdam as well. Haha.
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jamma10 1/10/2017 7:07am
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Roczen was better at 20 the first half of the season but faded bad at the end of the year. Bubba was fast at 20 but...
Roczen was better at 20 the first half of the season but faded bad at the end of the year. Bubba was fast at 20 but usually behind RC, and RC was more dominant but not as fast, I will point out the bikes being better and training evolution help him when comparing him to RC/Bubba at 20. The reason I bring up SMX is cause Gasjer was easily the star of the show IMO but everyone was still talking about JH. Getting dropped by Tomac at a very American track to me is not nearly as bad as let's say being beat by Jason Anderson on your side of the pond, that's how I look at that. Tomac has arguably gone faster than anyone ever outdoors vs Anderson who has never finished higher than 3rd in a AMA 450 Moto. Either way this upcoming season will be good. I think Gasjer and Herlings will go back and forth a lot, the pace is to high for Febvre as evident by all his crashes and I think a real rutty technical track will let AC shine from time to time.
The laptimes show Herlings was faster than Anderson at Maggiora though, whether he would have been able to get around him in that MX2/Open race is another thing. Maybe not.

Tomac was about 3 secs a lap faster than Gajser at GH! It should have been Gajsers time to shine but he was found out.
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doghouse 1/10/2017 7:11am
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doghouse wrote:
True, but he was so blazing for awhile there I'm not sure it will be matched. Also, as someone mentioned, RC was more dominant, but probably...
True, but he was so blazing for awhile there I'm not sure it will be matched.

Also, as someone mentioned, RC was more dominant, but probably not as fast.
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He was blazing fast outdoors but he was more than matched by RC outdoors. I said the comment about RC not being as fast but it's...
He was blazing fast outdoors but he was more than matched by RC outdoors.

I said the comment about RC not being as fast but it's also a lil unfair to compare RC from 16 years ago on a two stroke.
Oh damn, I didn't even realize that was you, ha. Trying to post while working...

I don't feel RC ever had Bubba's raw speed, at least not until he got into the bigger bikes. RC became so fit that he could really stamp on a race, not to say he wasn't fast because obviously he was, but there are several riders I think were faster. I've seen RC and Villopoto on the same track outdoors and RV was definitely the faster of the two in terms of straight speed.
shaffstall721 1/10/2017 7:15am
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Park Boys wrote:
Roczen was better at 20 the first half of the season but faded bad at the end of the year. Bubba was fast at 20 but...
Roczen was better at 20 the first half of the season but faded bad at the end of the year. Bubba was fast at 20 but usually behind RC, and RC was more dominant but not as fast, I will point out the bikes being better and training evolution help him when comparing him to RC/Bubba at 20. The reason I bring up SMX is cause Gasjer was easily the star of the show IMO but everyone was still talking about JH. Getting dropped by Tomac at a very American track to me is not nearly as bad as let's say being beat by Jason Anderson on your side of the pond, that's how I look at that. Tomac has arguably gone faster than anyone ever outdoors vs Anderson who has never finished higher than 3rd in a AMA 450 Moto. Either way this upcoming season will be good. I think Gasjer and Herlings will go back and forth a lot, the pace is to high for Febvre as evident by all his crashes and I think a real rutty technical track will let AC shine from time to time.
jamma10 wrote:
The laptimes show Herlings was faster than Anderson at Maggiora though, whether he would have been able to get around him in that MX2/Open race is...
The laptimes show Herlings was faster than Anderson at Maggiora though, whether he would have been able to get around him in that MX2/Open race is another thing. Maybe not.

Tomac was about 3 secs a lap faster than Gajser at GH! It should have been Gajsers time to shine but he was found out.
Tim wrecked hard in the qualifying race and already won the championship? What did he have to prove?

Herlings couldnt get around a guy who was on the couch all summer (Anderson) at Maggiora......

I wish Tim was in that race!
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I would love to see Tony win the championship and retire. I think he can do it.
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jamma10 wrote:
The laptimes show Herlings was faster than Anderson at Maggiora though, whether he would have been able to get around him in that MX2/Open race is...
The laptimes show Herlings was faster than Anderson at Maggiora though, whether he would have been able to get around him in that MX2/Open race is another thing. Maybe not.

Tomac was about 3 secs a lap faster than Gajser at GH! It should have been Gajsers time to shine but he was found out.
Tomac has been 5 seconds a lap faster than Dungey before(Hangtown 15) and how has that worked out for those two riders since then? You should know better about how different the tracks are and how one race don't really mean much. If JH would have been racing Tomac like he should have in 2016 Glen Helen it would have been the same beat down. Tomac was next level that day. Also what was at stake for Gasjer that day? Nothing.
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ehr400 wrote:
I would love to see Tony win the championship and retire. I think he can do it.
If I had one Moto wish for 2017 it would be this!
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BobPA 1/10/2017 7:22am
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Park Boys wrote:
Roczen was better at 20 the first half of the season but faded bad at the end of the year. Bubba was fast at 20 but...
Roczen was better at 20 the first half of the season but faded bad at the end of the year. Bubba was fast at 20 but usually behind RC, and RC was more dominant but not as fast, I will point out the bikes being better and training evolution help him when comparing him to RC/Bubba at 20. The reason I bring up SMX is cause Gasjer was easily the star of the show IMO but everyone was still talking about JH. Getting dropped by Tomac at a very American track to me is not nearly as bad as let's say being beat by Jason Anderson on your side of the pond, that's how I look at that. Tomac has arguably gone faster than anyone ever outdoors vs Anderson who has never finished higher than 3rd in a AMA 450 Moto. Either way this upcoming season will be good. I think Gasjer and Herlings will go back and forth a lot, the pace is to high for Febvre as evident by all his crashes and I think a real rutty technical track will let AC shine from time to time.
jamma10 wrote:
The laptimes show Herlings was faster than Anderson at Maggiora though, whether he would have been able to get around him in that MX2/Open race is...
The laptimes show Herlings was faster than Anderson at Maggiora though, whether he would have been able to get around him in that MX2/Open race is another thing. Maybe not.

Tomac was about 3 secs a lap faster than Gajser at GH! It should have been Gajsers time to shine but he was found out.
shaffstall721 wrote:
Tim wrecked hard in the qualifying race and already won the championship? What did he have to prove? Herlings couldnt get around a guy who was...
Tim wrecked hard in the qualifying race and already won the championship? What did he have to prove?

Herlings couldnt get around a guy who was on the couch all summer (Anderson) at Maggiora......

I wish Tim was in that race!
Excuse excuses excuses

You live in the US

Show some pride and defend your countrymen, you commi

Oh wait, Ohio explains it all

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