ET Damage Control: To Little, to Late?

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

Aldon is yet to pull out his “secret weapon”, the 4arm strong...

kb228 wrote:

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

Totally agree with you on that. How could it not be an advantage? Anyone that has never run a mile at 5000+ altitude, give it a try and you'll see we're saying.

kb228 wrote:

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

Harry Backmon wrote:

Totally agree with you on that. How could it not be an advantage? Anyone that has never run a mile at 5000+ altitude, give it a try and you'll see we're saying.

I thought training in the heat and humidity of Florida was the advantage to have?

Maybe they should eat more Zebra?

kb228 wrote:

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

Harry Backmon wrote:

Totally agree with you on that. How could it not be an advantage? Anyone that has never run a mile at 5000+ altitude, give it a try and you'll see we're saying.

early wrote:

I thought training in the heat and humidity of Florida was the advantage to have?

I think both are an advantage. In fact, I can tell you that Eli melted in the second Moto last September at the USGP. He said he felt like he was wearing a blanket in Moto 2.

kb228 wrote:

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

Bingo! Spend 3 hours pedaling a mtb up/down and around at 9000 feet if you are living at sea level and the difference is quite noticeable. Additionally growing up at elevation can give you anatomically larger lungs than normal.

I just bought 45 acres about 10 miles north of Cortez, tracks to come, in case anyone wants to come and train at 6800 feet.

So far i don't understand, why all the MX guys don't train in the higher altitudes. In Nordic skiing it's commom that the teams going to the boot camp to the highter mountains before the season starts. And if you can't afford that. We have **Alp houses**, where basicaly artificially same conditions like in the hight mountains. It's all about increase your red blood cells.

Fuuck. I have to start selling those houses to the teams

kb228 wrote:

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

I live at 7000’ and was told the body produces an extra pint of blood to compensate for the lack oxygen your blood can hold with 7 pints (I may be off on the pint count). We had an NFL player move to our little mountain town for a summer so he could train at altitude and gain the benefits, albeit a brief competitive gain because he left the area. In ET3’s case he doesn’t lose the edge.

I know I feel like I have an advantage when I go to sea level, especially when everyone around me is sucking wind and I’m not. Shit, I don’t even train except for the occasional 12 oz. curl.

keinz wrote:

So far i don't understand, why all the MX guys don't train in the higher altitudes. In Nordic skiing it's commom that the teams going to the boot camp to the highter mountains before the season starts. And if you can't afford that. We have **Alp houses**, where basicaly artificially same conditions like in the hight mountains. It's all about increase your red blood cells.

Fuuck. I have to start selling those houses to the teams

Because half of the season the racers will benefit from training in humid and hot areas for acclimation. Skiing is clear cut, no hot weather to care for.

Herlings said recently he's on a diet provided by Baker. I just think Eli is better at riding dirt bikes than Musquin and Anderson

So Herlings is a part time Bakers boy?

mammoth track club (mammoth lakes, ca @ 8,000ft) was the go to spot for ryan hall and a lot of other very very fast olympic marathoners for a reason.

killian jornet is arguably the best mountain ultrarunner in the world, he grew up at 7,000/ft

most people don't realize that ethiopia (consistently home of the fastest marathoners) is high elevation (4,000-9000ft).

the list goes on

i spent a few weeks at mostly above 10,000ft in the sierras (fastpacking) and coming back to sea level in socal was amazing. after only that short of an acclimation period.

no way around it, elevation training is a huge advantage.

no doubt the FL training has advantages with the heat/humidity. i'm surprised oxygen deprivation sleep tents haven't made their way into the training programs there.

kb228 wrote:

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

Harry Backmon wrote:

Totally agree with you on that. How could it not be an advantage? Anyone that has never run a mile at 5000+ altitude, give it a try and you'll see we're saying.

early wrote:

I thought training in the heat and humidity of Florida was the advantage to have?

Why do you think fighters go out of their way to do altitude training. It must be incorporated to any training regime.

For all of you that are scratching your head, training at altitude DOES NOT change the size of your lungs. It just raises your blood hematocrit level naturally instead of doping with banned substances. Your body makes more red blood cells. Triathletes and cyclists train at altitude. When your racing at sea level, you have way more red blood cells than those who don’t and you feel like you have an endless supply of oxygen that allows you to faster and last longer. That’s the dumb’d down version for everyone.

It’s natural doping.

2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:

Why do you think fighters go out of their way to do altitude training. It must be incorporated to any training regime.

I was being facetious. 10 years ago the thought was Forida was the secret weapon.

Thunder Valley is going to be interesting.

To early too tell.

Lakewood is only at 5500' but JA will wilt just from thinking about it.

Give it time. Statistics show Tomac will Tomac. Points will even out. Unfortunate but true.

I thought this was a Roseanne Barr thread for a second.

I don't think it is too little, too late, but they are definitely worried.

You can do the same training regimen as Michael Jordan but you will never be Michael Jordan

aldon baker is not john tomac. john tomac himself has competed on the highest level possible in xc, downhill and road racing. nobody heard of aldon baker before RC hired him. I'm not saying baker is a rubbish trainer but john is one of the best athletes mointainbiking has ever seen. there is a huge carry-over onto eli. that's why he has the edge as soon as it get's tough in my opinion.

Ted722 wrote:

To early too tell.

Two much too handle.

wfopete wrote:

Lakewood is only at 5500' but JA will wilt just from thinking about it.

Which doesn't make sense to me since JA is from Albuquerque which is about 5400'.

tempura wrote:

Aldon is yet to pull out his “secret weapon”, the 4arm strong...

Hahhahahahahhaha. Do you guys remember when he posted about that piece of crap on here and had no idea what he was in for. The vitards absolutely demoolished him with masturbation jokes n all kinds of shit n I think someone even got him to swear at them on here. He completely broke character lol. People were like geeeeet the hell out of here with that stupid ripoff piece of plastic bullshit for like $250 and take your “10% discount” where its still $200 too expensive and shove it up your ass. He had never been here before and has never been back lolllll.

wfopete wrote:

Lakewood is only at 5500' but JA will wilt just from thinking about it.

VicDaMoan03 wrote:

Which doesn't make sense to me since JA is from Albuquerque which is about 5400'.

Your body adjusts to different altitudes. Jason can adjust to it but he would have to spend months there.

kb228 wrote:

I think eli has a huge advantage by training at altitude. Hes just as fit as anderson and marv with way less oxygen. So when he goes back down to sea level to race his body has so much oxygen its probably similar to blood doping legitimately.

I might be way off but just my observation.

There is no conclusive scientific evidence that training at high altitudes provides an advantage at sea level (training at altitude does provide an advantage when performing at altitude versus athletes training at sea level).

You just won't be able to take advantage of the extra count in red blood cells at sea level, it is not how the body works.

I don't think Eli has an edge in terms of being more physically fit than the rest of the Elite riders. I just think he's faster -sometimes too fast for his own good-. Anderson appears to be under trained for two 34-minute motos, but the rest of them? Nay.

PS: the other rider who is dominating the sport is Herlings. The dude is Dutch. Netherlands is as flat and as low as Florida (albeit less hot).