Dirt bike thief gets conked in the head with a loading ramp

Gworm wrote:

If you have a gun pulled on him and he gets his gun out, you're more than likely going to die, and I wouldn't be too...

If you have a gun pulled on him and he gets his gun out, you're more than likely going to die, and I wouldn't be too sure about your chances if he has a knife.

toostroke wrote:

Not if you shoot first in the right place

MPJC wrote:

Forget guns, get a dog - nobody gets shot, and you have a terrific friend. I have a Doberman/Shepherd who isn't a mean and aggressive dog...

Forget guns, get a dog - nobody gets shot, and you have a terrific friend. I have a Doberman/Shepherd who isn't a mean and aggressive dog but she's far from friendly with strangers. It's amazing how well-behaved people are when she's with me. Door to door salespeople can't leave my doorstep fast enough. Of course I know that this isn't a perfect solution - I don't even know for sure what she would do if someone attacked me - but there is certainly a deterrent effect, at least to some extent.

MXD wrote:

This is one of the absolute worst pieces of advise that I have ever come across. You NEVER pull a concealed firearm on someone unless the...

This is one of the absolute worst pieces of advise that I have ever come across. You NEVER pull a concealed firearm on someone unless the circumstances warrant that you use it. For anyone reading this, please don't ever do this. Pulling a firearm and using it on someone is the absolute last resort after everything else has failed and you believe that the only option left is his life or yours.

toostroke wrote:

So you’re trying to say if someone hits my dad with a hammer in the head and tries to run off with my bike I shouldn’t...

So you’re trying to say if someone hits my dad with a hammer in the head and tries to run off with my bike I shouldn’t pull a gun out?

MXD wrote:

This is one of the absolute worst pieces of advise that I have ever come across. You NEVER pull a concealed firearm on someone unless the...

This is one of the absolute worst pieces of advise that I have ever come across. You NEVER pull a concealed firearm on someone unless the circumstances warrant that you use it. For anyone reading this, please don't ever do this. Pulling a firearm and using it on someone is the absolute last resort after everything else has failed and you believe that the only option left is his life or yours.

toostroke wrote:

So you’re trying to say if someone hits my dad with a hammer in the head and tries to run off with my bike I shouldn’t...

So you’re trying to say if someone hits my dad with a hammer in the head and tries to run off with my bike I shouldn’t pull a gun out?

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

AZRider wrote:

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive...

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive to school with a shotgun in my back window daily because we shot skeet 3 days a week after school. I got in fistfights, but never considered using a gun unless my life was threatened.

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

AZRider wrote:

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive...

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive to school with a shotgun in my back window daily because we shot skeet 3 days a week after school. I got in fistfights, but never considered using a gun unless my life was threatened.

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

jeffro503 wrote:

I was more or less just throwing a scenario out there as if his dad may have a had a gun in the truck that was...

I was more or less just throwing a scenario out there as if his dad may have a had a gun in the truck that was accessible. Not that the kid's now days should be packing iron. Besides.....the ramp seemed to do a pretty good job.

MPJC wrote:

Forget guns, get a dog - nobody gets shot, and you have a terrific friend. I have a Doberman/Shepherd who isn't a mean and aggressive dog...

Forget guns, get a dog - nobody gets shot, and you have a terrific friend. I have a Doberman/Shepherd who isn't a mean and aggressive dog but she's far from friendly with strangers. It's amazing how well-behaved people are when she's with me. Door to door salespeople can't leave my doorstep fast enough. Of course I know that this isn't a perfect solution - I don't even know for sure what she would do if someone attacked me - but there is certainly a deterrent effect, at least to some extent.

SCR wrote:

Nobody ever has to steal anything to get food, ever. Did you hear the part where he took a hammer to the Dads head. You are...

Nobody ever has to steal anything to get food, ever. Did you hear the part where he took a hammer to the Dads head.
You are going to pull a gun on someone hoping to scare him off ? What if he doesn't scare off ? You have about 2/10 of a second before he grabs your gun, are you going to shoot him ? Remember you said it's not morally right to kill the theif who is just trying to get some food for his plate.
You better think it through a little better before you pull a gun if your intention is a bluff.
Based on what you've said I recommend you just run away if someone steals your bike or hits your pops in the head.

toostroke wrote:

4 things Your first sentence isn’t true Key word “Concealed” carry If he hit my dad in the head with a hammer and doesn’t run off...

4 things
Your first sentence isn’t true
Key word “Concealed” carry
If he hit my dad in the head with a hammer and doesn’t run off when I pull my gun out I’m shooting him in a non vital or life threatening part of his body in fear of him trying to do extra damage or hurt me

Also I’m not letting him run away without a fight If I don’t have one on me which would be dumb not having one

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

AZRider wrote:

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive...

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive to school with a shotgun in my back window daily because we shot skeet 3 days a week after school. I got in fistfights, but never considered using a gun unless my life was threatened.

toostroke wrote:

Besides if you think your bike is worth more than some thief’s life hang your boots up lock the bike in your garage and find a...

Besides if you think your bike is worth more than some thief’s life hang your boots up lock the bike in your garage and find a different sport

RONJ OSE wrote:

You obviously have never been around guns or been trained you just another city slicker paper pusher who thinks they know what they are taking about

RONJ OSE wrote:

You obviously have never been around guns or been trained you just another city slicker paper pusher who thinks they know what they are taking about

toostroke wrote:

Look the area up that i live in on google earth I’m not no city slicker and yes I have been around guns know bunch of...

Look the area up that i live in on google earth I’m not no city slicker and yes I have been around guns know bunch of people with permits. You should know what you’re talking about and not make assumptions.

RONJ OSE wrote:

You know people with permits, that’s the issue you don’t have one! Ask any military or police and they will tell you shoot to kill( center...

You know people with permits, that’s the issue you don’t have one!
Ask any military or police and they will tell you shoot to kill( center of mass) and shooting in the leg is just as bad as center of mass and it can hit a bone shatter and rip through your Artries killing you.
And when you draw you be dam ready to shoot

Zacka 161 wrote:

As someone who has an ABI that is really scary and painful to see. Is being a vegetable for the rest of your life because you...

As someone who has an ABI that is really scary and painful to see.

Is being a vegetable for the rest of your life because you tried to steal a bike fair punishment? No fucking way anyone that thinks it is is a fucking idiot and seems to have a ‘death penalty for any crime’ mindset and that’s fucked up.

Should the boy be punished? No fucking way he was defending his property, and retaliating to aggravated assault in a family member with non lethal force. ie. he didn’t pick up a gun and shoot to kill, that would be a different story altogether.

I do think he should take some defence training though to be able to take down thief’s more effectively without turning them into vegetables.

observeroffacts wrote:

So many people posting in here are comparing the violence to the bike and forgetting that the dude TRIED TO HIT HIS DAD WITH A HAMMER.

RONJ OSE wrote:

You know people with permits, that’s the issue you don’t have one! Ask any military or police and they will tell you shoot to kill( center...

You know people with permits, that’s the issue you don’t have one!
Ask any military or police and they will tell you shoot to kill( center of mass) and shooting in the leg is just as bad as center of mass and it can hit a bone shatter and rip through your Artries killing you.
And when you draw you be dam ready to shoot

toostroke wrote:

Can’t get a permit I’m 17 but I’ll be getting one soon when I’m older

RONJ OSE wrote:

Well some one should teach you some lessons before you go out and get a gun/ccp And I think age for a ccp is 21 Go...

Well some one should teach you some lessons before you go out and get a gun/ccp
And I think age for a ccp is 21
Go take a local range class, most PD will put on free training once a month

jeffro503 wrote:

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless...

There are a lot of things a person could do. What these guy's are saying to you in here is.....don't pull your gun on anyone unless you are fully prepared to use it........ever! I guess every situation is different , but at the very moment a robber starts hitting you or anyone else with a hammer , that would have been the time to shoot the piece of shit. The kid used what was at his disposal , a motorcycle ramp. It seemed to do the job.

But what if it didn't.......and then the robber really came after you hard with the hammer? I think this is kind of split second action the kid thought off , so even though the robber went down , he wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get back up.

If the kid had a gun at his disposal during that attack , he would have had every right to shoot the robber. But if the robber is flee'ing and you shoot him as he's running away.....well then , that's a different story. Either way......this story ended up with a happy ending. Dad is probably ok , kid is ok and kept his bike from being stolen.....and the robber is laying there with brain chunks on the pavement.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

AZRider wrote:

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive...

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive to school with a shotgun in my back window daily because we shot skeet 3 days a week after school. I got in fistfights, but never considered using a gun unless my life was threatened.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

AZRider wrote:

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive...

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive to school with a shotgun in my back window daily because we shot skeet 3 days a week after school. I got in fistfights, but never considered using a gun unless my life was threatened.

blockhead17 wrote:

That being said.. I live in a one of the largest cities in the world, we have no guns.. Only 3 people died from gunshots last...

That being said..
I live in a one of the largest cities in the world, we have no guns..
Only 3 people died from gunshots last year in the whole year, from a city of 38 million people
Just google some of the cities in the US, you will be astounded

AZRider wrote:

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive...

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive to school with a shotgun in my back window daily because we shot skeet 3 days a week after school. I got in fistfights, but never considered using a gun unless my life was threatened.

blockhead17 wrote:

That being said.. I live in a one of the largest cities in the world, we have no guns.. Only 3 people died from gunshots last...

That being said..
I live in a one of the largest cities in the world, we have no guns..
Only 3 people died from gunshots last year in the whole year, from a city of 38 million people
Just google some of the cities in the US, you will be astounded

Flatliner wrote:

You also live in a culture heavily based on respect, and hard work. The sense of entitlement is vastly different...

That goes a long way.

MPJC wrote:

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun...

I agree with pretty much everything said in this post, but found it very jarring to read "if the kid had a gun". I'm no anti-gun activist by any stretch but the word "kid" stood out to me. The thought of arming kids - especially remembering how bad my judgment was when I was a kid - sounds like a scary proposition.

AZRider wrote:

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive...

That sounds to me like you didnt grow up around guns and were not educated enough about them. Im only 46 and i used to drive to school with a shotgun in my back window daily because we shot skeet 3 days a week after school. I got in fistfights, but never considered using a gun unless my life was threatened.

blockhead17 wrote:

That being said.. I live in a one of the largest cities in the world, we have no guns.. Only 3 people died from gunshots last...

That being said..
I live in a one of the largest cities in the world, we have no guns..
Only 3 people died from gunshots last year in the whole year, from a city of 38 million people
Just google some of the cities in the US, you will be astounded