Dirt bike thief gets conked in the head with a loading ramp

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6/12/2019 2:44 PM

It really is weird how dude's have changed in my years.

Now day's , some dude say's " Bro....just cower and let the thief take your stuff.....it's only stuff ".

My generation DID NOT act this way! I'm not sure if it's the over abundance of fucking soy milk , or dude's just to weak to stand up for themseleve's......and it did NOT used to be like that. It was even worse in my day if you knew the fucker! I had a dude steal my BMX. I knew it was him , so I put the word out that my mom was going to pay $100.00 for the return of my bike. Next day , the thieving piece of shit comes riding down the street to my house and said he recovered my bike.....wants my mom to pay. I got this big smirk on my face and beat the living shit out of that asshole! Like worse than normal! Because when you're 14 years old , your BMX is everything , and it made it even worse I knew the piece of shit!

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6/12/2019 2:54 PM

In the video here you'll see a medic tending to the kids dad and it appears he's bandaged on the left side of his head. I believe he's the guy you see walk back up to the back of the truck as the kid whacks the guy with the ramp. When the kid yells "he hit my Dad with a hammer" he points in this guys direction.

Also you'll see the medics tending to the perp. He's sitting up and conscious. Then they show him being loaded in the ambulance.

There's a shot of the ramp and a claw hammer laying on the pavement.

So if the guy hits this kids Dad in the head with a hammer; to me that assault with deadly force and a comparable response would be justified.

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6/12/2019 3:03 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 3:04 PM

MPJC wrote:

Haha, yes, that would be a remarkable invention! I'm not sure it would work. Put Justin Bieber in a ring with Mike Tyson and I'll put my money on Tyson, regardless of what the coin says.

aFACEdismembered wrote:

I'm playing along.

Wait, what was a loading ramp doing in a boxing ring? Is Mike Tyson the hammer or the son? Was the blood from an ear bite? I'm so confused.

Of course I wouldn't fight Mike Tyson in a boxing ring under normal regulations. I'd stand a much better chance out in the open with no rules and the element of surprise. Maybe a swift kick to the nuts would fix his voice while I run away to safety.

MPJC wrote:

I think your point must have escaped me. Mine was simply that one on one does not indicate even odds. Related to that, our odds of doing well in a fight - whether in a ring or elsewhere - are likely much lower than we think. 93% of people think they’re above average drivers. Some of them are wrong, though none think so.

My point is that you used a strict set of guidelines (Justin Bieber in a BOXING RING with Mike Tyson) to explain why you think the odds would be stacked against a person in a robbery situation. It's so out of context I can't explain it any better if you don't already understand why it's a poor comparison.

It's an apples to oranges argument. I just don't know who has the apples and who has the oranges. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Odds are exactly that. Before the fight starts you will ALWAYS have a 50/50 chance.

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6/12/2019 3:10 PM

aFACEdismembered wrote:

I'm playing along.

Wait, what was a loading ramp doing in a boxing ring? Is Mike Tyson the hammer or the son? Was the blood from an ear bite? I'm so confused.

Of course I wouldn't fight Mike Tyson in a boxing ring under normal regulations. I'd stand a much better chance out in the open with no rules and the element of surprise. Maybe a swift kick to the nuts would fix his voice while I run away to safety.

MPJC wrote:

I think your point must have escaped me. Mine was simply that one on one does not indicate even odds. Related to that, our odds of doing well in a fight - whether in a ring or elsewhere - are likely much lower than we think. 93% of people think they’re above average drivers. Some of them are wrong, though none think so.

aFACEdismembered wrote:

My point is that you used a strict set of guidelines (Justin Bieber in a BOXING RING with Mike Tyson) to explain why you think the odds would be stacked against a person in a robbery situation. It's so out of context I can't explain it any better if you don't already understand why it's a poor comparison.

It's an apples to oranges argument. I just don't know who has the apples and who has the oranges. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Odds are exactly that. Before the fight starts you will ALWAYS have a 50/50 chance.

Good lord. Clearly I’m the dumb one here.

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6/12/2019 3:19 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 3:21 PM

MPJC wrote:

I think your point must have escaped me. Mine was simply that one on one does not indicate even odds. Related to that, our odds of doing well in a fight - whether in a ring or elsewhere - are likely much lower than we think. 93% of people think they’re above average drivers. Some of them are wrong, though none think so.

aFACEdismembered wrote:

My point is that you used a strict set of guidelines (Justin Bieber in a BOXING RING with Mike Tyson) to explain why you think the odds would be stacked against a person in a robbery situation. It's so out of context I can't explain it any better if you don't already understand why it's a poor comparison.

It's an apples to oranges argument. I just don't know who has the apples and who has the oranges. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Odds are exactly that. Before the fight starts you will ALWAYS have a 50/50 chance.

MPJC wrote:

Good lord. Clearly I’m the dumb one here.

I'm not trying to argue with you. Once the fight starts or you get hit with the first Tyson punch to the face those odds change. That's why Dad stopped fighting. He got hit with a fucking hammer. Son, on the other hand, still had good odds and he was rewarded with his quick decision making. Element of surprise. You can't surprise a professional boxer in a square ring who shows up knowing he's going to fight. A criminal with a hammer in a parking lot? Clearly, he didn't show up expecting a fight.

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6/12/2019 3:19 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 3:24 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

It really is weird how dude's have changed in my years.

Now day's , some dude say's " Bro....just cower and let the thief take your stuff.....it's only stuff ".

My generation DID NOT act this way! I'm not sure if it's the over abundance of fucking soy milk , or dude's just to weak to stand up for themseleve's......and it did NOT used to be like that. It was even worse in my day if you knew the fucker! I had a dude steal my BMX. I knew it was him , so I put the word out that my mom was going to pay $100.00 for the return of my bike. Next day , the thieving piece of shit comes riding down the street to my house and said he recovered my bike.....wants my mom to pay. I got this big smirk on my face and beat the living shit out of that asshole! Like worse than normal! Because when you're 14 years old , your BMX is everything , and it made it even worse I knew the piece of shit!

You're only looking at half of it. My generation was able to fist fight without kicking people in the face when they went down. So yeah, people are more willing to give up their shit, but it's because assailants have no real code they live by and it used to be that you had a really good chance of not being murdered if you refused to give up your stuff, but it's literally flip a fucking coin these days. You can live in today's generation with your older generation philosophies if you wanted to, but if you were mugged on the reg, your time would run out much faster than if you adjusted yourself to today.

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6/12/2019 3:25 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

It really is weird how dude's have changed in my years.

Now day's , some dude say's " Bro....just cower and let the thief take your stuff.....it's only stuff ".

My generation DID NOT act this way! I'm not sure if it's the over abundance of fucking soy milk , or dude's just to weak to stand up for themseleve's......and it did NOT used to be like that. It was even worse in my day if you knew the fucker! I had a dude steal my BMX. I knew it was him , so I put the word out that my mom was going to pay $100.00 for the return of my bike. Next day , the thieving piece of shit comes riding down the street to my house and said he recovered my bike.....wants my mom to pay. I got this big smirk on my face and beat the living shit out of that asshole! Like worse than normal! Because when you're 14 years old , your BMX is everything , and it made it even worse I knew the piece of shit!

Look, I know you react to everything emotionally and have absolutely no sense of logic. But did you read this thread before posting? 95% say let him die, only a couple say otherwise. Every single one of your posts is about what a badass you are and what pussies society has become, while making up fake stories to support your position. Stop watching cable news.

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6/12/2019 3:31 PM

aFACEdismembered wrote:

My point is that you used a strict set of guidelines (Justin Bieber in a BOXING RING with Mike Tyson) to explain why you think the odds would be stacked against a person in a robbery situation. It's so out of context I can't explain it any better if you don't already understand why it's a poor comparison.

It's an apples to oranges argument. I just don't know who has the apples and who has the oranges. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Odds are exactly that. Before the fight starts you will ALWAYS have a 50/50 chance.

MPJC wrote:

Good lord. Clearly I’m the dumb one here.

aFACEdismembered wrote:

I'm not trying to argue with you. Once the fight starts or you get hit with the first Tyson punch to the face those odds change. That's why Dad stopped fighting. He got hit with a fucking hammer. Son, on the other hand, still had good odds and he was rewarded with his quick decision making. Element of surprise. You can't surprise a professional boxer in a square ring who shows up knowing he's going to fight. A criminal with a hammer in a parking lot? Clearly, he didn't show up expecting a fight.

You can’t possibly believe that prior to an altercation each combatant has a 50% chance. That ignores background knowledge and prior probabilities. Bayes theorem is what you need, not a coin. If, say, we know that one person is trained (eg. military) and the other is not then we know that the military person has an advantage. He’s apt to be trained to deal with surprises and to be aware enough of his surroundings to not give you a chance to use whatever weapon is available. The problem in a street fight is you probably lack the background knowledge so you can’t realistically gauge your odds - especially if you’re not very familiar with your own ability. The fact that you can’t calculate them due to lack of knowledge doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And they may be stacked badly against you. The only difference with the Tyson\Bieber example is that it seems preposterous given our background knowledge. That illustrates the point about the relevance of background knowledge and prior probabilities.

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6/12/2019 4:07 PM

Here's how I see it. The blow from the ramp is justified. Once the crook is down and not a threat the blows to the head can be looked at as a crime. No element of self defense there.

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6/12/2019 4:21 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

It really is weird how dude's have changed in my years.

Now day's , some dude say's " Bro....just cower and let the thief take your stuff.....it's only stuff ".

My generation DID NOT act this way! I'm not sure if it's the over abundance of fucking soy milk , or dude's just to weak to stand up for themseleve's......and it did NOT used to be like that. It was even worse in my day if you knew the fucker! I had a dude steal my BMX. I knew it was him , so I put the word out that my mom was going to pay $100.00 for the return of my bike. Next day , the thieving piece of shit comes riding down the street to my house and said he recovered my bike.....wants my mom to pay. I got this big smirk on my face and beat the living shit out of that asshole! Like worse than normal! Because when you're 14 years old , your BMX is everything , and it made it even worse I knew the piece of shit!

GrapeApe wrote:

Look, I know you react to everything emotionally and have absolutely no sense of logic. But did you read this thread before posting? 95% say let him die, only a couple say otherwise. Every single one of your posts is about what a badass you are and what pussies society has become, while making up fake stories to support your position. Stop watching cable news.

Hey! You guys go to time out and when you're ready I have 2 motorcycle ramps for the both of you's and we can settle this.

While this is a pretty serious matter I'm just going to try my best to provide some comedic relief.

Excuse while I slowly back away with wide eyes and an upset tummy. Can everyone please stop yelling?

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6/12/2019 4:25 PM

That kid just put himself in prison. He should of stopped after "ramping" the would be thief.

Having video evidence didn't help him also.

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6/12/2019 4:31 PM

captmoto wrote:

Here's how I see it. The blow from the ramp is justified. Once the crook is down and not a threat the blows to the head can be looked at as a crime. No element of self defense there.

Emotion. Ever seen your dad take a claw hammer to the head? Would you be so calm?

I speak ONLY for me. I'd have done the same EXACT thing. In the moment, My DAD was attacked with a HAMMER and is down. Again, speaking only for me, had someone done that to my Dad (who is now gone, RIP), I'd have likely had to be be pulled off of him.

If that makes me a bad person, put me away, but I think that's a pretty natural response when your father is harmed. I salute his response. He wasn't defending a theft at that point, but keeping an assailant from further harming his father. Good on you, son.

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6/12/2019 4:34 PM

What has happened to this country? At what point did it become ok for people to do whatever they want to people, Talk to people anyway they want,. Act anyway they want and when someone stands up to them they become a victim?

I am surprised someone did not say they should have just gave them the bikes, Because its not fair they could not have dirt bikes also.

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6/12/2019 4:39 PM

mx900 wrote:

What has happened to this country? At what point did it become ok for people to do whatever they want to people, Talk to people anyway they want,. Act anyway they want and when someone stands up to them they become a victim?

I am surprised someone did not say they should have just gave them the bikes, Because its not fair they could not have dirt bikes also.

You're using broad statements to try and control opinions on a specific event. It doesn't work that way. People have accomplished amazing things. Nature is wonderful. Doesn't we have to love Hitler and Cujo.

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6/12/2019 4:51 PM

mx900 wrote:

What has happened to this country? At what point did it become ok for people to do whatever they want to people, Talk to people anyway they want,. Act anyway they want and when someone stands up to them they become a victim?

I am surprised someone did not say they should have just gave them the bikes, Because its not fair they could not have dirt bikes also.

byke wrote:

You're using broad statements to try and control opinions on a specific event. It doesn't work that way. People have accomplished amazing things. Nature is wonderful. Doesn't we have to love Hitler and Cujo.

What does that even mean?

In Nature if a animal is attacked then what do you think the outcome will be? Just guessing they attack back.

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6/12/2019 5:13 PM

I definitely do not in any way condone killing someone over a dirt bike, but if a guy hit my pops with a hammer, then came at me with it, I would pick up the first weapon I could find (in this instance a loading ramp) and have zero issue with hitting the guy over the head with it. BUT, once I saw the damage it caused, I would never jump on the dude and start pretending I'm an MMA fighter practicing my ground and pound on an unconscious person. I think that part says something about this kid.

Do I feel sorry for the thief? Not even a little.

And to the people misinterpreting that every person that backs the kid thinks killing someone over a dirt bike is okay, I think you're missing the point that the thief is the one that brought a deadly weapon to this battle. The other dude just brought a ramp to unload the bike and I guarantee you when he threw it in the back of his truck, the last thing he envisioned was it being used to kill someone.

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6/12/2019 5:43 PM

OldYZRider1 wrote:

In the video here you'll see a medic tending to the kids dad and it appears he's bandaged on the left side of his head. I believe he's the guy you see walk back up to the back of the truck as the kid whacks the guy with the ramp. When the kid yells "he hit my Dad with a hammer" he points in this guys direction.

Also you'll see the medics tending to the perp. He's sitting up and conscious. Then they show him being loaded in the ambulance.

There's a shot of the ramp and a claw hammer laying on the pavement.

So if the guy hits this kids Dad in the head with a hammer; to me that assault with deadly force and a comparable response would be justified.

It looks like to me the medic is tending the thief. Watch the OP video. The dude in the white t-shirt is the one who gets conked on the head.....

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6/12/2019 6:07 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 6:08 PM

Not to digress, but the cultural embedment of consumerism in this country cannot be denied. It's great that you may not worship the material gods, but it's a dominant aspect of our society. If it's not insanely visible, it could be that an idealistic view of America is casting too strong of a shadow to see through.

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6/12/2019 6:35 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/13/2019 7:44 AM

jeffro503 wrote:

It really is weird how dude's have changed in my years.

Now day's , some dude say's " Bro....just cower and let the thief take your stuff.....it's only stuff ".

My generation DID NOT act this way! I'm not sure if it's the over abundance of fucking soy milk , or dude's just to weak to stand up for themseleve's......and it did NOT used to be like that. It was even worse in my day if you knew the fucker! I had a dude steal my BMX. I knew it was him , so I put the word out that my mom was going to pay $100.00 for the return of my bike. Next day , the thieving piece of shit comes riding down the street to my house and said he recovered my bike.....wants my mom to pay. I got this big smirk on my face and beat the living shit out of that asshole! Like worse than normal! Because when you're 14 years old , your BMX is everything , and it made it even worse I knew the piece of shit!

GrapeApe wrote:

Look, I know you react to everything emotionally and have absolutely no sense of logic. But did you read this thread before posting? 95% say let him die, only a couple say otherwise. Every single one of your posts is about what a badass you are and what pussies society has become, while making up fake stories to support your position. Stop watching cable news.

God damn Grapeape's comment pissed me off last night , and I shouldn't have went off like that. Apologizes to the board.

I don't even know if it's a generation's type thing ( about just bending the knee and giving your stuff to whoever is robbing you ) compared to people who fight to protect their loved one's and personal property.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja

6/12/2019 6:36 PM

byke wrote:

Not to digress, but the cultural embedment of consumerism in this country cannot be denied. It's great that you may not worship the material gods, but it's a dominant aspect of our society. If it's not insanely visible, it could be that an idealistic view of America is casting too strong of a shadow to see through.

I don't deny that we are materialistic...but that does not equate to placing higher value on material things than human life. This is a diverse (and extremely divided) country, our two perspectives may have to do with what part of the country we are establishing our norms from?

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6/12/2019 6:54 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 7:08 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

God damn Grapeape's comment pissed me off last night , and I shouldn't have went off like that. Apologizes to the board.

I don't even know if it's a generation's type thing ( about just bending the knee and giving your stuff to whoever is robbing you ) compared to people who fight to protect their loved one's and personal property.

Ah nevermind...

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6/12/2019 7:03 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 7:03 PM

MPJC wrote:

You can’t possibly believe that prior to an altercation each combatant has a 50% chance. That ignores background knowledge and prior probabilities. Bayes theorem is what you need, not a coin. If, say, we know that one person is trained (eg. military) and the other is not then we know that the military person has an advantage. He’s apt to be trained to deal with surprises and to be aware enough of his surroundings to not give you a chance to use whatever weapon is available. The problem in a street fight is you probably lack the background knowledge so you can’t realistically gauge your odds - especially if you’re not very familiar with your own ability. The fact that you can’t calculate them due to lack of knowledge doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And they may be stacked badly against you. The only difference with the Tyson\Bieber example is that it seems preposterous given our background knowledge. That illustrates the point about the relevance of background knowledge and prior probabilities.

It's math bro. I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know you so therefore you have a 50% chance of belonging to the LGBTQ community if I ask. You either A) do, or B ) do not. Those are the possibilities.

You get in a fight. You either A) kick ass, or B ) get your ass kicked. Those are the possibilities. The odds don't change until a variable is encountered that changes the probability. In this case, the variable is a hammer and a loading ramp.

We're not talking about who has a better chance at winning based on training and skills and what a Vegas bookie would put for a spread. We're talking about the possible outcomes of an encounter before a person makes their decision to stand up to the would be robber. You either A) get robbed, or B ) don't get robbed. Those are the possibilities. 50/50.

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6/12/2019 7:04 PM

captmoto wrote:

Here's how I see it. The blow from the ramp is justified. Once the crook is down and not a threat the blows to the head can be looked at as a crime. No element of self defense there.

I agree it wasnt needed for self defence.... the one whilst on the ground was for his dad and his dirtbike and in my mind JUSTIFIED!
Humans are in plague so let’s weed out the bad ones and get society back on track, before we develop the realiance on BRAWNDO...

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6/12/2019 7:11 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 7:13 PM

DanDunes818 wrote:

I definitely do not in any way condone killing someone over a dirt bike, but if a guy hit my pops with a hammer, then came at me with it, I would pick up the first weapon I could find (in this instance a loading ramp) and have zero issue with hitting the guy over the head with it. BUT, once I saw the damage it caused, I would never jump on the dude and start pretending I'm an MMA fighter practicing my ground and pound on an unconscious person. I think that part says something about this kid.

Do I feel sorry for the thief? Not even a little.

And to the people misinterpreting that every person that backs the kid thinks killing someone over a dirt bike is okay, I think you're missing the point that the thief is the one that brought a deadly weapon to this battle. The other dude just brought a ramp to unload the bike and I guarantee you when he threw it in the back of his truck, the last thing he envisioned was it being used to kill someone.

I can only imagine that the kids state of mind, after being attacked by the thief, is “not normal” & he's on “fight or flight” auto-pilot.

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6/12/2019 7:13 PM

Maybe a misunderstanding?

Maybe just trying to trade that sweet hammer straight across?

Hopefully we'll never know...

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6/12/2019 7:16 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

It really is weird how dude's have changed in my years.

Now day's , some dude say's " Bro....just cower and let the thief take your stuff.....it's only stuff ".

My generation DID NOT act this way! I'm not sure if it's the over abundance of fucking soy milk , or dude's just to weak to stand up for themseleve's......and it did NOT used to be like that. It was even worse in my day if you knew the fucker! I had a dude steal my BMX. I knew it was him , so I put the word out that my mom was going to pay $100.00 for the return of my bike. Next day , the thieving piece of shit comes riding down the street to my house and said he recovered my bike.....wants my mom to pay. I got this big smirk on my face and beat the living shit out of that asshole! Like worse than normal! Because when you're 14 years old , your BMX is everything , and it made it even worse I knew the piece of shit!

GrapeApe wrote:

Look, I know you react to everything emotionally and have absolutely no sense of logic. But did you read this thread before posting? 95% say let him die, only a couple say otherwise. Every single one of your posts is about what a badass you are and what pussies society has become, while making up fake stories to support your position. Stop watching cable news.

jeffro503 wrote:

God damn Grapeape's comment pissed me off last night , and I shouldn't have went off like that. Apologizes to the board.

I don't even know if it's a generation's type thing ( about just bending the knee and giving your stuff to whoever is robbing you ) compared to people who fight to protect their loved one's and personal property.

Why so insecure? Maybe hit him over the head with something so you can feel better?

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6/12/2019 7:20 PM

Sluggo77 wrote:

Why so insecure? Maybe hit him over the head with something so you can feel better?

I'm actually quite confident. But thanks for asking.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja

6/12/2019 7:30 PM

Jeffro has a 50/50 chance of losing his shit. Either A) he does, or B ) he does not. Those are the possibilities. 50/50.

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6/12/2019 8:19 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2019 8:19 PM

Funny how one guy calls another one out to not speak about how his generation grew up if he don't belong to the same one, and then proceeds to do the same thing making statement about a generation he is not part of. What is even funnier is the correlation he states about drinking soy milk and the direct impact on not standing for yourself.

From what I know the benefits of soy milk is to reduce the rBGH hormone that comes with the consumption of dairy products, which leads to increase of insulin and higher risk of diabetes.

Guess I'll start drinking "normal" milk again to be up to the standards of how a real man should behave 😂

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6/12/2019 8:32 PM

FerCzD wrote:

Funny how one guy calls another one out to not speak about how his generation grew up if he don't belong to the same one, and then proceeds to do the same thing making statement about a generation he is not part of. What is even funnier is the correlation he states about drinking soy milk and the direct impact on not standing for yourself.

From what I know the benefits of soy milk is to reduce the rBGH hormone that comes with the consumption of dairy products, which leads to increase of insulin and higher risk of diabetes.

Guess I'll start drinking "normal" milk again to be up to the standards of how a real man should behave 😂

Sounds like your estrogen level's are up again. Go ahead and keep defending your soy milk habit.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja