Different perfect season?

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I know we have 2 24 moto win perfect seasons, but if eli wins every race with 12 1sts overall its a step lower, but still perfect. What do you guys think? Its like a 2nd tier perfect season. Has anyone else done that? Hes won every single race so far and could finish that way who knows. Where would this rank?
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Pretty sure RC did it in 05. Going by memory I didn't check the vault.
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Is that why they say he has two?

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drt410 wrote:
Is that why they say he has two?
No RC won all 24 motos in 02 and 04.
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Rc did 2 completely perfect season (02/04) first on a two stroke Honda then on the 4 stroke before leaving to suszuki, then his first year on suszuki (05)he had 22-24 moto wins and clinched every overall that year still. His first moto he lost in over 2 years was at south wick, he tried jumping to the bottom of a hill with sand rollers n came up short, two laps later in the same section he jumped over my shoulder 2 bumps further into the bottom of the hill riding like an absolute mad man. Then the moto he lost at unadilla, that one I think everyone knows about with him and bubba...
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drt410 wrote:
Is that why they say he has two?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
No RC won all 24 motos in 02 and 04.
Exactly
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Pretty impressive that he was able to settle for 3rd in the 2nd moto and still get the overall after that bad start. It's nice that a 1-3 beats a 2-2.
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2nd tier perfect season is like trophies for everyone.
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bsharkey 6/24/2018 5:36pm
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Honestly it's pretty smart it seems like Eli's gottin real smart at knowing when to back it down maybe you have that day where you're just not feeling it but you can still win that's always a good thing
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Spizzy wrote:
2nd tier perfect season is like trophies for everyone.
12-0 overall is still 12-0 overall. Are you fucking kidding me?
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cbuehler767 6/24/2018 5:41pm
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Spizzy wrote:
2nd tier perfect season is like trophies for everyone.
Ya winning every overall but not every moto just pathetic
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drt410 wrote:
I know we have 2 24 moto win perfect seasons, but if eli wins every race with 12 1sts overall its a step lower, but still...
I know we have 2 24 moto win perfect seasons, but if eli wins every race with 12 1sts overall its a step lower, but still perfect. What do you guys think? Its like a 2nd tier perfect season. Has anyone else done that? Hes won every single race so far and could finish that way who knows. Where would this rank?
That's not a perfect season. A perfect season is 24-0 which was done by RC4 and JS7. Like folks said, RC went to 12-0 in 2005.... call it a "no hitter" if you use baseball terms. Its still amazing but 24-0 is unreal!
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winning every round would be bad AF. Hardly a sub-par accomplishment regarding perfection.
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Spizzy wrote:
2nd tier perfect season is like trophies for everyone.
Considering only 4 times in History of the sport has anyone went 12-0, I’m going to call bullshit.
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Spizzy wrote:
2nd tier perfect season is like trophies for everyone.
yeah, Tomac should be ashamed and not do the MXdN too.
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Spizzy 6/24/2018 6:04pm
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im sure Mr Tomac will be ecstatic at the awards banquet when they provide him with a 2nd tier perfect season award.

Hey Eli, you were almost as good as RC and JS, but heres your highly coveted AMA snowflake award.

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im sure Mr Tomac will be ecstatic at the awards banquet when they provide him with a 2nd tier perfect season award. Hey Eli, you were...
im sure Mr Tomac will be ecstatic at the awards banquet when they provide him with a 2nd tier perfect season award.

Hey Eli, you were almost as good as RC and JS, but heres your highly coveted AMA snowflake award.
Go fuck yourself
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So let me get this straight, you want to award an almost perfect season, yet Im the snowflake. Hahahaa My work is done here.
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zehn 6/24/2018 6:14pm
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Did I say anything about a perfect season? Can you even read?

Everyone who has quoted your post has called you out on being a dumbass.
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You know what’s even crazier, I believe it was 1991 when JMB won the 250 outdoor title and didn’t have a single overall win. I think Stanton and Bradshaw won most of the outdoor overalls.
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Considering the current field of riders (at least the quality of the top 5-6), this season in my mind is equally impressive as 24-0 if he can do it. RC and JS were simply incredible riders and to me their greatness wasn't defined by going 24-0 (it was for other reasons) because going 24-0 says more about the competition (or lack of) than it does the rider going 24-0. Tim Ferry in his prime wouldn't be in the top 5 in this field (no disrespect Tim). Other factors have to play into your favor to go 24-0 - mechanicals, weather (no crazy mud races), not getting caught in a first turn pile up, someone not cross jumping into your line taking you out, no cameraman running across the track distracting you from 200 yards away, bike not running out of gas, etc. So much can happen in a MX season to ruin it. In order to get to 24-0, there must be a WIDE discrepancy in talent from #1 to the rest. RC and JS were simply fantastic riders, I'm not trying to take anything away from their greatness or put ET3 on their level yet. I just don't use the vaunted 24-0 to define their greatness. To me, 24-0 says "weak field" as opposed to "great rider".

In this field, you have the following riders that could show elite speed in any moto on any weekend: Anderson (when healthy), Barcia, Tomac, Musquin, Roczen (once fully healthy), and Baggett. That's a solid 6 riders that could easily take any moto during a season. If Tomac can go 12-0, that's a totally badass accomplishment in my eyes.
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TbonesPop wrote:
Considering the current field of riders (at least the quality of the top 5-6), this season in my mind is equally impressive as 24-0 [i]if he...
Considering the current field of riders (at least the quality of the top 5-6), this season in my mind is equally impressive as 24-0 if he can do it. RC and JS were simply incredible riders and to me their greatness wasn't defined by going 24-0 (it was for other reasons) because going 24-0 says more about the competition (or lack of) than it does the rider going 24-0. Tim Ferry in his prime wouldn't be in the top 5 in this field (no disrespect Tim). Other factors have to play into your favor to go 24-0 - mechanicals, weather (no crazy mud races), not getting caught in a first turn pile up, someone not cross jumping into your line taking you out, no cameraman running across the track distracting you from 200 yards away, bike not running out of gas, etc. So much can happen in a MX season to ruin it. In order to get to 24-0, there must be a WIDE discrepancy in talent from #1 to the rest. RC and JS were simply fantastic riders, I'm not trying to take anything away from their greatness or put ET3 on their level yet. I just don't use the vaunted 24-0 to define their greatness. To me, 24-0 says "weak field" as opposed to "great rider".

In this field, you have the following riders that could show elite speed in any moto on any weekend: Anderson (when healthy), Barcia, Tomac, Musquin, Roczen (once fully healthy), and Baggett. That's a solid 6 riders that could easily take any moto during a season. If Tomac can go 12-0, that's a totally badass accomplishment in my eyes.
That's pretty stinky....!
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zehn 6/24/2018 6:48pm
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He has a point though, in certain ways
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drt410 6/24/2018 7:34pm
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Im just tryin to sort it out. If he wins every overall then he wins every race. Its not “perfect” but its winning every race. Thats still something that raaaaarely anyone does and eli probably wont either. Its crazy though that theres been a few in mx but not 1 in sx, shows the difference in technicality. Not rv, js, rc, rd, not mcgrath as far as I know. Says a lottt especially mcgrath not doing it may never be done.
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Spizzy wrote:
So let me get this straight, you want to award an almost perfect season, yet Im the snowflake. Hahahaa My work is done here.
We are talking about two different types of a perfect season here dipshit. Perfect moto wins vs perfect overall wins. It's really not a hard thing to grasp or understand ( except for you ) , but if it makes you feel all super cool to talk your bullshit , mr anonymous.....then by all means , go ahead. Just know that you're an assclown , and will be considered one tomorrow as well.
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TbonesPop wrote:
Considering the current field of riders (at least the quality of the top 5-6), this season in my mind is equally impressive as 24-0 [i]if he...
Considering the current field of riders (at least the quality of the top 5-6), this season in my mind is equally impressive as 24-0 if he can do it. RC and JS were simply incredible riders and to me their greatness wasn't defined by going 24-0 (it was for other reasons) because going 24-0 says more about the competition (or lack of) than it does the rider going 24-0. Tim Ferry in his prime wouldn't be in the top 5 in this field (no disrespect Tim). Other factors have to play into your favor to go 24-0 - mechanicals, weather (no crazy mud races), not getting caught in a first turn pile up, someone not cross jumping into your line taking you out, no cameraman running across the track distracting you from 200 yards away, bike not running out of gas, etc. So much can happen in a MX season to ruin it. In order to get to 24-0, there must be a WIDE discrepancy in talent from #1 to the rest. RC and JS were simply fantastic riders, I'm not trying to take anything away from their greatness or put ET3 on their level yet. I just don't use the vaunted 24-0 to define their greatness. To me, 24-0 says "weak field" as opposed to "great rider".

In this field, you have the following riders that could show elite speed in any moto on any weekend: Anderson (when healthy), Barcia, Tomac, Musquin, Roczen (once fully healthy), and Baggett. That's a solid 6 riders that could easily take any moto during a season. If Tomac can go 12-0, that's a totally badass accomplishment in my eyes.
wreckitrandy wrote:
That's pretty stinky....!
Pop is 100% correct on what he wrote too.
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downard254 wrote:
You know what’s even crazier, I believe it was 1991 when JMB won the 250 outdoor title and didn’t have a single overall win. I think...
You know what’s even crazier, I believe it was 1991 when JMB won the 250 outdoor title and didn’t have a single overall win. I think Stanton and Bradshaw won most of the outdoor overalls.
That Hangtown National in 1991 was big.... all of JMB's competition finished poorly at it. I think Bayle had some in the tank if he needed it.... he was on fire in '91. Wonder what type of dumb shit he would of gotten on a message board?

I agree... that was one hell of a year and championship for JMB.
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TbonesPop wrote:
Considering the current field of riders (at least the quality of the top 5-6), this season in my mind is equally impressive as 24-0 [i]if he...
Considering the current field of riders (at least the quality of the top 5-6), this season in my mind is equally impressive as 24-0 if he can do it. RC and JS were simply incredible riders and to me their greatness wasn't defined by going 24-0 (it was for other reasons) because going 24-0 says more about the competition (or lack of) than it does the rider going 24-0. Tim Ferry in his prime wouldn't be in the top 5 in this field (no disrespect Tim). Other factors have to play into your favor to go 24-0 - mechanicals, weather (no crazy mud races), not getting caught in a first turn pile up, someone not cross jumping into your line taking you out, no cameraman running across the track distracting you from 200 yards away, bike not running out of gas, etc. So much can happen in a MX season to ruin it. In order to get to 24-0, there must be a WIDE discrepancy in talent from #1 to the rest. RC and JS were simply fantastic riders, I'm not trying to take anything away from their greatness or put ET3 on their level yet. I just don't use the vaunted 24-0 to define their greatness. To me, 24-0 says "weak field" as opposed to "great rider".

In this field, you have the following riders that could show elite speed in any moto on any weekend: Anderson (when healthy), Barcia, Tomac, Musquin, Roczen (once fully healthy), and Baggett. That's a solid 6 riders that could easily take any moto during a season. If Tomac can go 12-0, that's a totally badass accomplishment in my eyes.
I get what you are saying mostly. It’s just that RC beat Reed and Windham for 24 motos straight in 04. That’s pretty damn impressive. Lack of competition doesn’t stand out in my mind.

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