Difference between dungey and tomac

TXDirt wrote:

What's to compare? Dungey is a multi time champion who's consistency decimated his competition in a series. Tomac is like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. No...

What's to compare? Dungey is a multi time champion who's consistency decimated his competition in a series.

Tomac is like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. No consistency whatsoever. Mentally weak.

resetjet wrote:

I have said it a number of times. Et is the new js

Park Boys wrote:

Not even close.

akillerwombat wrote:

Ha! I feel like Dungey will always be remembered but Tomac will always be talked about. Not trying to knock Dungey at all but due to...

Ha!

I feel like Dungey will always be remembered but Tomac will always be talked about. Not trying to knock Dungey at all but due to his race craft (one of the most solid ever) he doesn't have those many of those 'holy shit' moments that leave people talking for years to come.

lostboy819 wrote:

I guess you don't follow the sport,and anyone who says "race craft" is a tool ;) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/13/209657/s1200_max_102112mustsee_656322.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/13/209658/s1200_download.jpg[/img]

I guess you don't follow the sport,and anyone who says "race craft" is a tool

BobbyM wrote:

We saw how fast they could go... We never saw how fast Dungey could ride... I bet it would have been as fast or faster than...

We saw how fast they could go... We never saw how fast Dungey could ride... I bet it would have been as fast or faster than those 3 guys. Dungey is and will go down as one of the best that ever was.
Anybody that thinks otherwise is a mouthbreathing cumchuggling dickass.

Hut wrote:

Come on now JLaw was awesome. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/13/209608/s1200_jlawv.jpg[/img]

Come on now JLaw was awesome.

TDeath21 wrote:

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it...

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it matters. Look what Villopoto had to do in order to beat Dungey consistently. Just be consistently at the top of his game. And he put his body through hell to do so. Both with burnout and injuries. Dungey is the most consistent rider in the history of the sport. I'm trying to think of a time he crashed while pushing too hard. Maybe you could argue that race trying to keep pace with Villopoto in 2013 where the bike came over on top of him. Forget the venue but it was in MX. That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Tomac, meanwhile, has been in the big bike class for four years now and has missed how much time? And has never really been the guy. Inconsistency, lack of race smarts, and being mentally weak have cost him dearly. Tomac is amazing and even with his flaws he's still a top rider in the world. But I don't think he will ever be mentioned among the top 10-20 AMA riders ever.

TDeath21 wrote:

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it...

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it matters. Look what Villopoto had to do in order to beat Dungey consistently. Just be consistently at the top of his game. And he put his body through hell to do so. Both with burnout and injuries. Dungey is the most consistent rider in the history of the sport. I'm trying to think of a time he crashed while pushing too hard. Maybe you could argue that race trying to keep pace with Villopoto in 2013 where the bike came over on top of him. Forget the venue but it was in MX. That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Tomac, meanwhile, has been in the big bike class for four years now and has missed how much time? And has never really been the guy. Inconsistency, lack of race smarts, and being mentally weak have cost him dearly. Tomac is amazing and even with his flaws he's still a top rider in the world. But I don't think he will ever be mentioned among the top 10-20 AMA riders ever.

honda341 wrote:

Not trying to pick apart your post, just picking ONE point :D What about Carmichael as the most consistent rider? Consistently first or second if he...

Not trying to pick apart your post, just picking ONE point :D What about Carmichael as the most consistent rider? Consistently first or second if he went down. Just curious on the actual math behind it.

TDeath21 wrote:

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it...

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it matters. Look what Villopoto had to do in order to beat Dungey consistently. Just be consistently at the top of his game. And he put his body through hell to do so. Both with burnout and injuries. Dungey is the most consistent rider in the history of the sport. I'm trying to think of a time he crashed while pushing too hard. Maybe you could argue that race trying to keep pace with Villopoto in 2013 where the bike came over on top of him. Forget the venue but it was in MX. That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Tomac, meanwhile, has been in the big bike class for four years now and has missed how much time? And has never really been the guy. Inconsistency, lack of race smarts, and being mentally weak have cost him dearly. Tomac is amazing and even with his flaws he's still a top rider in the world. But I don't think he will ever be mentioned among the top 10-20 AMA riders ever.

honda341 wrote:

Not trying to pick apart your post, just picking ONE point :D What about Carmichael as the most consistent rider? Consistently first or second if he...

Not trying to pick apart your post, just picking ONE point :D What about Carmichael as the most consistent rider? Consistently first or second if he went down. Just curious on the actual math behind it.

jeffro503 wrote:

I think there actually was a stat up here not to long ago. In all races entered , I think that RD was the most consistent...

I think there actually was a stat up here not to long ago. In all races entered , I think that RD was the most consistent ever. Can't remember , but I think that was SX and MX combined.

bama205 wrote:

Didn't RV have to part with dad or something like that ? Not sure on reasons

1st Amendment wrote:

He had to call up Aldon after losing the title to Dungey in 2010

bama205 wrote:

Didn't RV have to part with dad or something like that ? Not sure on reasons

1st Amendment wrote:

He had to call up Aldon after losing the title to Dungey in 2010

cali11 wrote:

RV threw that title a way over a triple

TDeath21 wrote:

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it...

Villopoto, in my opinion, is the second best all time AMA rider. Dungey is fourth in my opinion. Carmichael first and McGrath third for what it matters. Look what Villopoto had to do in order to beat Dungey consistently. Just be consistently at the top of his game. And he put his body through hell to do so. Both with burnout and injuries. Dungey is the most consistent rider in the history of the sport. I'm trying to think of a time he crashed while pushing too hard. Maybe you could argue that race trying to keep pace with Villopoto in 2013 where the bike came over on top of him. Forget the venue but it was in MX. That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Tomac, meanwhile, has been in the big bike class for four years now and has missed how much time? And has never really been the guy. Inconsistency, lack of race smarts, and being mentally weak have cost him dearly. Tomac is amazing and even with his flaws he's still a top rider in the world. But I don't think he will ever be mentioned among the top 10-20 AMA riders ever.

honda341 wrote:

Not trying to pick apart your post, just picking ONE point :D What about Carmichael as the most consistent rider? Consistently first or second if he...

Not trying to pick apart your post, just picking ONE point :D What about Carmichael as the most consistent rider? Consistently first or second if he went down. Just curious on the actual math behind it.

mauidex wrote:

i dunno............maybe about 3 or 4 or 5 championships?!??!?!

Motodave15 wrote:

Difference between tomac and dungey was seen in the 250 class Dungey had his mental fortitude tested versus J-law. Tomac has his mental fortitude tested with...

Difference between tomac and dungey was seen in the 250 class

Dungey had his mental fortitude tested versus J-law.
Tomac has his mental fortitude tested with a championship on the line, and he locked up that one year... i think it was seattle or somewhere else in SX.

Difference is Dungey seriously became mentally stronger imo, Same with Tomac however i think Tomac is more prone to that lock up, too much pressure issue.

Both are amazing riders. and Dungey's Career may not ever be replicated because it is that hard to do. Tomac might be able to break the funk if he can find the cause.

Park and Huck wrote:

Not sure how/why we are even having this conversation? In terms of career, there really isn't a comparison at this point. If Eli can sort his...

Not sure how/why we are even having this conversation? In terms of career, there really isn't a comparison at this point. If Eli can sort his head out and win a few titles, talk to me then. Until that point it's apples to oranges.

RangerLee wrote:

So glad you posted this, Dungey had MANY holy shit moments. Of course if you were a hater you would never remember any of them. For...

So glad you posted this, Dungey had MANY holy shit moments. Of course if you were a hater you would never remember any of them.

For me, when any rider has one of those moments, it is something to be remembered no matter if a fan or not.

RangerLee wrote:

So glad you posted this, Dungey had MANY holy shit moments. Of course if you were a hater you would never remember any of them. For...

So glad you posted this, Dungey had MANY holy shit moments. Of course if you were a hater you would never remember any of them.

For me, when any rider has one of those moments, it is something to be remembered no matter if a fan or not.

akillerwombat wrote:

No one is debating "if" he had some insane moments but at the end of the day he will foremost be remembered for his consistency and...

No one is debating "if" he had some insane moments but at the end of the day he will foremost be remembered for his consistency and consistency isn't remembered the same way as firework moments.

Point in case: Ty Cobb vs Babe Ruth

TXDirt wrote:

That's like comparing an at bat to a full baseball season. If you look at an at bat, a guy hits a monster 500 foot homerun...

That's like comparing an at bat to a full baseball season.

If you look at an at bat, a guy hits a monster 500 foot homerun. Across a season a guy hits above 300. Sure, the monster home run make sports center but the guy batting above 300 for the season gets the paycheck and the girl.

1st Amendment wrote:

He had to call up Aldon after losing the title to Dungey in 2010

cali11 wrote:

RV threw that title a way over a triple

1st Amendment wrote:

I didn't know someone 13 points down could throw the title away

TXDirt wrote:

That's like comparing an at bat to a full baseball season. If you look at an at bat, a guy hits a monster 500 foot homerun...

That's like comparing an at bat to a full baseball season.

If you look at an at bat, a guy hits a monster 500 foot homerun. Across a season a guy hits above 300. Sure, the monster home run make sports center but the guy batting above 300 for the season gets the paycheck and the girl.

akillerwombat wrote:

And which one do more people remember?

TXDirt wrote:

That may be more a reflection of your attention span.

Which do people remember and which one actually matters.

doofy wrote:

After reading all this im curious as to what made RV able to beat Dungey time after time. Aldon said Dungey is the most athletic rider...

After reading all this im curious as to what made RV able to beat Dungey time after time.

Aldon said Dungey is the most athletic rider he's ever trained and that he was a work horse and RV HATED training. Obviously dunge was rock solid consistent... it almost makes me think RV was even more badass of a dude. Slaughtering the field year and year seemingly with no care in the world.