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For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day.
Unfortunately, it appears the arguments for the free market in healthcare over there seem readily snuffed out by greed and corruption. You’re correct, no system is perfect, but badboy is right too... he got in and out for nada and I bet his tax dollars didn’t have him thinking twice of it either.
Nobody is that dense.
Unintentional fatal injuries (accidental deaths) ranked 3rd on CDC's 10 leading list from 2017 data, well behind heart disease and cancer.
The Shop
The statistics I'm paying the closest attention to are the number of Covid 19 hospitalizations per 100,000 people in the population compared to the amount of seasonal flu hospitalizations per 100,000 people. The media isn't discussing this much because its not going to get the eyeballs that "death toll" will get. Remember, "if it bleeds it leads". I like looking at the % hospitalizations with Covid 19 compared to 100,000 people in the population because you have a clearly defined denominator and you have a defined numerator in that the cases have tested positive for Covid 19 and are in the hospital. It's harder to skew this data.
Currently, the cumulative hospitalization rate of Covid 19 per 100,000 people is 50.3 people per 100,000 people.
The 2019-2020 hospitalization rate for season flu and pneumonia per 100,000 people is 69.2 people per 100,000.
All of the above data is straight from the CDC. The seasonal flu time period technically ended May 1 (7 month season), but the seasonal ramp up of hospitalizations starts usually around December 1 (or ~5 months ago). We're 4-5 months into the Covid 19, which I would say is about 1 month behind the season flu ramp up for hospitalizations. About 4 weeks ago, the seasonal flu hospitalization rate was still above 60 people per 100,000. Seems to me the severity of both are very similar.
I fully understand that the virus is very different that the flu in how it impacts the body. Of note, the majority of flu cases this year are of the H1N1 strain (swine flu).
I’m not a doctor nor a scientist so I won’t pretend to know things but I think, as with anything in life, everyone should do what they feel is best for themselves and their family.
I think it is important to also make the point again. This discussion is just to compare the data of each illness, not the specifics of the illnesses. Covid 19 is a blood illness that can greatly damage the respiratory system in certain people. The flu is a respiratory illness (typically) that can impact the blood. These two are very different. But I do think it is fair to compare the data regarding how the spread has impacted people/lives.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S6
One is that you implied the flu number of 69 per 100k is the number of hospitalizations since December 1. That’s not true, it’s the number of hospitalizations since October 1. You did say start of December is when things start to ramp up, and you’re right that most hospitalizations were after December 1, but from the chart this was already the 2nd worst flu season included in the chart by December 1. The hospitalizations on that date were low, but clearly above 0. Eyeballing, it looks like there were about 5 hospitalizations per 100k by December 1.
Second is that the covid 19 hospitalization rate of 50.3 per 100k is based on hospitalizations since March 1. So you said that the numbers you were citing were hospitalization rates where the covid number trailed the flu number by 4-5 weeks but in reality it is the same data but with the covid number trailing the flu number by 21 weeks (13 weeks if we go by December 1 for the flu numbers, as you did originally).
If you want to start the counting for the flu on the date when there were already about 5 hospitalizations per 100k, then you should do the same for covid 19. That would mean starting the covid 19 timeline the first week of April, per the first CDC link below. So there were 4.2 covid 19 hospitalizations per 100k at the start of April, and at the end of April the hospitalization rate was 50.3 per 100k. That’s an increase of 46.1 per 100k in 5 weeks.
For the flu, if you start on December 1, when there were about 5 hospitalizations per 100k, and look at the increase in hospitalizations in the next 5 weeks, they only reach about 20 per 100k, so an increase of about 15 per 100k over a comparable timeline to the covid number of 46.1. Even if you look at the area of the flu chart where hospitalizations are increasing most rapidly (week 4-week 9) on the chart, the hospitalization rate went from about 38 to about 60 (eyeballing), so an increase in hospitalizations of about 22 per 100k in 5 weeks. That’s still less than half the rate of hospitalizations than covid 19 in the same time span for which the covid data is reported.
The above is likely why the CDC states at the first link below that “Hospitalization rates for COVID-19 in adults (18-64 years) are already higher than hospitalization rates for influenza at comparable time points* during the past 5 influenza seasons.” They also specify the comparable time points comment means “*Number of weeks since 10% of specimens tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 and influenza, respectively.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_3.html
It’s not far fetched that there will be gouging. I am first hand knowledge of our terribly broken and crooked healthcare system. If you dig around on here (Vital) you will find my story. As a matter of fact I am not sure I finished it up.
Pit Row
and regarding you last post there should be no discounts. The cost is the cost period!
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