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9/19/2011 11:11am
9/19/2011 11:11am
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1/27/2012 12:13am
To get started, congratulation to America who won. I was at the race and what an awesome weekend!
Or was it France that lost it? I was at the race, and in that final moto, Pourcel was seriously hauling ass and pulling in on the leaders. Then bike problems... France only needed a top 5, if even, from Pourcel, who looked like he was going to challenge for the moto win. People can argue Bagget had 2 bad motos and USA still won, but it's his fault he crashed. Pourcel's problem was out of his hands.
Secondly, in the first moto Roczen was UNBELIEVABLE!! Roczen (17 years old) coming from a 6th place start, to catch and pass Dungey and finish 2nd on a 250 is just astonishing. I think Dungey's podium interview said it all, complaining about getting a bad start and having to battle through the pack - HE WAS 3RD ON THE FIRST LAP!! Sour grapes if you ask me...
Then, race 2. I thought Roczen was going to beat Villopoto this time!! Got past him but couldn't stay in front, . But what about Herlings?? This kid has just turned 17, first race on the "sh*t underpowered" 350 (words of Americans, not my own) and he beats your very own national champ? And being stuck in 3rd gear for the majority of the race?? All this is forgetting Paulin is an MX2 rider and beat them all, but hey...
Lets not forget Roczen lapping Bagget both motos either.
And I've already read the AMA vs. GP threads - a loada BS if you ask me. Cairolli's bars came off moto 1, and fell in the 3rd moto. Anyone who was there on the saturday would have seen Cairolli easily had the beating of Dungey.
Then let's look at the injury list of the GP riders who definitely would have been up there:
Frossard
Phillipaerts
Desalle
Nagl
Ramon
(Bobryshev was supposed to be out the rest of the season, but gave a spirited performance and showed his speed. He ran with the top AMA guys and is far from being the best in the GPs).
Already looking forward to next year and hopefully get a full gate with no injuries!! Call me a US hater, or call me a Europe fan, I just love the racing!!!!
Anyway, everyone knows team Ireland should have won...
Or was it France that lost it? I was at the race, and in that final moto, Pourcel was seriously hauling ass and pulling in on the leaders. Then bike problems... France only needed a top 5, if even, from Pourcel, who looked like he was going to challenge for the moto win. People can argue Bagget had 2 bad motos and USA still won, but it's his fault he crashed. Pourcel's problem was out of his hands.
Secondly, in the first moto Roczen was UNBELIEVABLE!! Roczen (17 years old) coming from a 6th place start, to catch and pass Dungey and finish 2nd on a 250 is just astonishing. I think Dungey's podium interview said it all, complaining about getting a bad start and having to battle through the pack - HE WAS 3RD ON THE FIRST LAP!! Sour grapes if you ask me...
Then, race 2. I thought Roczen was going to beat Villopoto this time!! Got past him but couldn't stay in front, . But what about Herlings?? This kid has just turned 17, first race on the "sh*t underpowered" 350 (words of Americans, not my own) and he beats your very own national champ? And being stuck in 3rd gear for the majority of the race?? All this is forgetting Paulin is an MX2 rider and beat them all, but hey...
Lets not forget Roczen lapping Bagget both motos either.
And I've already read the AMA vs. GP threads - a loada BS if you ask me. Cairolli's bars came off moto 1, and fell in the 3rd moto. Anyone who was there on the saturday would have seen Cairolli easily had the beating of Dungey.
Then let's look at the injury list of the GP riders who definitely would have been up there:
Frossard
Phillipaerts
Desalle
Nagl
Ramon
(Bobryshev was supposed to be out the rest of the season, but gave a spirited performance and showed his speed. He ran with the top AMA guys and is far from being the best in the GPs).
Already looking forward to next year and hopefully get a full gate with no injuries!! Call me a US hater, or call me a Europe fan, I just love the racing!!!!
Anyway, everyone knows team Ireland should have won...
I think this year showed that a country can win and not dominate but I thought We should have lost it this year.
The Shop
Prove anything? Sure it did.
It proved that in the year 2011, the USA had the strongest, fastest, most consistant guys on the planet.
You wanna throw in lucky, that's okay also, but I wouldn't bank on a rabbit's foot. With the record the
USA has at the moment, any country that beat's us would have to be called lucky.
What did that cowboy used to say, 'no brag, just fact."
7 of the 9 riders on the top three teams currently ride in the AMA! 7!!!!
AMA riders went 1-2-3 in the MX1/MX3 moto....
AMA riders dominated the event.
mechanicals, crashes, injuries, bad starts....they are all part of racing.
I love the GP's...I'm a huge AC fan...but this raced proved AGAIN, that the AMA riders are better.
And all this bullshit about the "top" GP riders being out, how is that our fault? They crashed, and put themselves out. Your "top" guy was there, Antonio Cairoli, he was beat by Dungey straight up in the qualifyers, and Dungey's never raced the track before.
In both motos, Cairoli couldn't keep it on both wheels, he crashed at the start, and then crashed himself out in the same moto. The only people that were able to compete with Dungey this weekend was Reed and Roczen, but if you want to get technical, it's clear after Roczen got close and passed Dungey, he let him go... 1, because he didn't have goggles, and didnt want to get caught in the roost, 2, 3rd place is good for your first moto at the MXdN, no need to try and speed up and risk crashing.
The bottom line is, your top GP rider in the 450s was there and got beat in qualifyers straight up, and crashed himself out of contention in the first moto. Your top GP rider couldn't beat our guys, so what makes you think the guys below him could? In race 2, Villopoto started clear back in 15th and damn near caught Paulin who was in 1st most of the race... Villopoto also had the fastest lap time that race. If he would have gotten a good start like Paulin did, Paulin wouldn't have stood a chance (like how he didn't stand a chance in the qualifyers)
Baggest crashed in both motos and worked his way up. In the 2nd moto he crashed all the way back to 34th, and caught up to 17th. Which isn't bad.
3rd moto, Dungey passed Bobryshev like he was sitting still. Villopoto had some problems, but who cares, he won by a HUGE margin. The Americans were ahead by so far, they had time to wait for each other to cross the finish line together.
Like I said, try harder next year, I hope you win so we don't have to hear the bullshit excuses like we do every year.
USA had the best team, but didn't dominate.
You don't have to, you just have to win. Last year, they were somewhat lucky, this year they won by give or take 10 points.
Dude needed to finish and I truly believe he could have got that bike back to the pits (I would love to see pics of his rear wheel but it didn't look to me like the tire was completely off the rim). It's sad for him, they probably wouldn't have won, anyway, but at least he would have finished the game.
Pit Row
America won, their fans will be happy. Everyone else lost, their fans will make up all kinds of excuses as to why they lost and how the winner got lucky. Happens every year.
Lots of disappointments with a few riders (Musquin wtf???) but this is MX and the only guarantee is that you are gonna have a problem at SOMETIME.
You could start a list of which teams had what problems but it dont change the result (sadly)
With any "luck" as you guys put it, Baggett easily runs top 8 either moto and the rest of the world looks like... well, like you look every year come time for the MXdN.
Luck goes both ways. We won it decisively. Look at the final points. It wasn't close after the third moto.
He has single-handedly put Russia back on the map in the World of Moto.
The guy was a great starter all weekend and great at the beginning of every race he rode.
He proved that he wants to do well and he wants to win.
I hope he trains his ass off during the off-season (and stays away from his moms cooking lol) and comes back and battles AC & Desalle for the World Championship next year. I got a feeling those are gonna be the Top 3 MX1 guys next year in the GP's.
Only time will tell though.
I would also like to see what he could do with a decent ride here in the States.
Or just maybe even come over for a national or 2....maybe at a place like Dilla or Washougal.
He seemed to also do very well at the USGP...I think he got a podium.
I'm definitely a fan us his...after watching him do well in some GP's this year and also standing out at the MXoN at the beginning of every one of his races.
Just following your logic...
I NEVER would have guessed Baggett would have been outside the top 15 ONCE let alone twice! I thought that even on a bad moto he'd of been inside the top 10 (with the possibility to be top 3 or 5 in the other), and had he done that in even one of his moto's it would have been a different story going into the last moto.
And yes the MXoN did prove something.
It proved motocross is the greatest sport on the planet.
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