Denver SX - Timed Qualifying Bench Racing

Lloydcarter wrote:

Did you not hear the part where he wasn’t able to test or ride all of December?

aeffertz wrote:

No, I did and I think it helps my side of the argument. If a rider hasn’t ridden very much, the poor results are because lack...

No, I did and I think it helps my side of the argument. If a rider hasn’t ridden very much, the poor results are because lack of seat time right? Or is it because the bike is bad?

If I don’t ride all winter, I’m going to be rusty in the spring or at least not as good as I was at the end of the year. If I don’t win my first race of the year, do I point at the bike and say that’s the reason why I couldn’t get comfortable or do I point at myself and say, I just need more practice so I am more comfortable?

aeffertz wrote:

So what would you call the PR they are doing now saying the bike is why he is having lack luster results? Can we trust anything...

So what would you call the PR they are doing now saying the bike is why he is having lack luster results? Can we trust anything anymore?

VasageXx wrote:

Look's like a completely new track and stadium crazy.

Lloydcarter wrote:

Did you not hear the part where he wasn’t able to test or ride all of December?

aeffertz wrote:

No, I did and I think it helps my side of the argument. If a rider hasn’t ridden very much, the poor results are because lack...

No, I did and I think it helps my side of the argument. If a rider hasn’t ridden very much, the poor results are because lack of seat time right? Or is it because the bike is bad?

If I don’t ride all winter, I’m going to be rusty in the spring or at least not as good as I was at the end of the year. If I don’t win my first race of the year, do I point at the bike and say that’s the reason why I couldn’t get comfortable or do I point at myself and say, I just need more practice so I am more comfortable?

Lloydcarter wrote:

I’d say you go back to middle school to fix those spelling errors

VasageXx wrote:

Look's like a completely new track and stadium crazy.

plowboy wrote:

Explain please?

aeffertz wrote:

No, I did and I think it helps my side of the argument. If a rider hasn’t ridden very much, the poor results are because lack...

No, I did and I think it helps my side of the argument. If a rider hasn’t ridden very much, the poor results are because lack of seat time right? Or is it because the bike is bad?

If I don’t ride all winter, I’m going to be rusty in the spring or at least not as good as I was at the end of the year. If I don’t win my first race of the year, do I point at the bike and say that’s the reason why I couldn’t get comfortable or do I point at myself and say, I just need more practice so I am more comfortable?

Lloydcarter wrote:

I’d say you go back to middle school to fix those spelling errors

aeffertz wrote:

Sorry, I’m on my phone and it’s cold outside so my fingers are cold and slow! I’ll edit the typos.

VasageXx wrote:

Look's like a completely new track and stadium crazy.

plowboy wrote:

Explain please?

Squirrelings wrote:

Was he not talking about riding the stock bike when he made that comment? Was he riding SX? Taking a new bike for a spin and...

Was he not talking about riding the stock bike when he made that comment? Was he riding SX? Taking a new bike for a spin and trying to be the fastest supercross racer in the world on one are two different things. He never said the bike was bad. He’s talking about not being able to find the feeling he’s looking for on tracks that none of us who will buy the bike are riding. Keep hanging onto those comments so you can try to put him down for underperforming. He clearly still has the speed when comfortable.

aeffertz wrote:

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad...

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad and some comments I see on here just made me have the thought. I don’t know why your seeing this as me trying to put Tomac down, I’m a Tomac fan. I don’t understand why everyone’s reacting like they’re emotionally attached and I attacked them.

My main argument is people saying “It’s 100% a bike issue” when a rider says he’s struggling with the bike. Personally I think the rider should be carrying more blame than the bike. Lack of seat time causing you to not be comfortable on the bike is not 100% a bike issue. It’s just a casual thought and mild argument.

aeffertz wrote:

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad...

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad and some comments I see on here just made me have the thought. I don’t know why your seeing this as me trying to put Tomac down, I’m a Tomac fan. I don’t understand why everyone’s reacting like they’re emotionally attached and I attacked them.

My main argument is people saying “It’s 100% a bike issue” when a rider says he’s struggling with the bike. Personally I think the rider should be carrying more blame than the bike. Lack of seat time causing you to not be comfortable on the bike is not 100% a bike issue. It’s just a casual thought and mild argument.

Ray_MXS wrote:

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much...

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much about bike setup a decade ago but now it's such an easy go-to excuse when someone is having a bad night.

aeffertz wrote:

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad...

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad and some comments I see on here just made me have the thought. I don’t know why your seeing this as me trying to put Tomac down, I’m a Tomac fan. I don’t understand why everyone’s reacting like they’re emotionally attached and I attacked them.

My main argument is people saying “It’s 100% a bike issue” when a rider says he’s struggling with the bike. Personally I think the rider should be carrying more blame than the bike. Lack of seat time causing you to not be comfortable on the bike is not 100% a bike issue. It’s just a casual thought and mild argument.

Ray_MXS wrote:

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much...

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much about bike setup a decade ago but now it's such an easy go-to excuse when someone is having a bad night.

aeffertz wrote:

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad...

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad and some comments I see on here just made me have the thought. I don’t know why your seeing this as me trying to put Tomac down, I’m a Tomac fan. I don’t understand why everyone’s reacting like they’re emotionally attached and I attacked them.

My main argument is people saying “It’s 100% a bike issue” when a rider says he’s struggling with the bike. Personally I think the rider should be carrying more blame than the bike. Lack of seat time causing you to not be comfortable on the bike is not 100% a bike issue. It’s just a casual thought and mild argument.

Ray_MXS wrote:

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much...

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much about bike setup a decade ago but now it's such an easy go-to excuse when someone is having a bad night.

aeffertz wrote:

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad...

I’m not even specifically talking about Tomac, it’s anyone who uses the phrase struggling with the bike all night/couldn’t get comfortable. The interview with his dad and some comments I see on here just made me have the thought. I don’t know why your seeing this as me trying to put Tomac down, I’m a Tomac fan. I don’t understand why everyone’s reacting like they’re emotionally attached and I attacked them.

My main argument is people saying “It’s 100% a bike issue” when a rider says he’s struggling with the bike. Personally I think the rider should be carrying more blame than the bike. Lack of seat time causing you to not be comfortable on the bike is not 100% a bike issue. It’s just a casual thought and mild argument.

Ray_MXS wrote:

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much...

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much about bike setup a decade ago but now it's such an easy go-to excuse when someone is having a bad night.

280driver wrote:

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli...

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli said the motor was better and handling would be better for Supercross. If Williamson made the factory bike more rear steer and stiff, that could be why he struggled. Will see what happens now that Williamson is gone.

Ray_MXS wrote:

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much...

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much about bike setup a decade ago but now it's such an easy go-to excuse when someone is having a bad night.

280driver wrote:

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli...

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli said the motor was better and handling would be better for Supercross. If Williamson made the factory bike more rear steer and stiff, that could be why he struggled. Will see what happens now that Williamson is gone.

aees wrote:

I don't get that comment that everyone drops. You can't compare magazine reviews of a stock bike with a factory bike. Even more so, comparing reviews...

I don't get that comment that everyone drops. You can't compare magazine reviews of a stock bike with a factory bike. Even more so, comparing reviews done riding MX, for a bike used in SX.

Anderson is still on 2018 top end on 2019.5 bike. Same with Cairoli. Herlings run different swing arm and frame. Troylee had issues dialing in 2019 sxf, same with bagget.

Put Tomac on his 2018 sx bike, and he would have been the sx champ 2019.

280driver wrote:

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli...

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli said the motor was better and handling would be better for Supercross. If Williamson made the factory bike more rear steer and stiff, that could be why he struggled. Will see what happens now that Williamson is gone.

aees wrote:

I don't get that comment that everyone drops. You can't compare magazine reviews of a stock bike with a factory bike. Even more so, comparing reviews...

I don't get that comment that everyone drops. You can't compare magazine reviews of a stock bike with a factory bike. Even more so, comparing reviews done riding MX, for a bike used in SX.

Anderson is still on 2018 top end on 2019.5 bike. Same with Cairoli. Herlings run different swing arm and frame. Troylee had issues dialing in 2019 sxf, same with bagget.

Put Tomac on his 2018 sx bike, and he would have been the sx champ 2019.

BobPA wrote:

That is a bold final statement. How in the hell can you prove that?

Ray_MXS wrote:

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much...

I agree 100%. While I understand bike setup is important, way too much weight is put on it these days. You didn't hear nearly as much about bike setup a decade ago but now it's such an easy go-to excuse when someone is having a bad night.

280driver wrote:

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli...

I️ think this adds to the thought that Williamson was part of the issue. The ‘19 is considered by most to be a great bike. Eli said the motor was better and handling would be better for Supercross. If Williamson made the factory bike more rear steer and stiff, that could be why he struggled. Will see what happens now that Williamson is gone.

aees wrote:

I don't get that comment that everyone drops. You can't compare magazine reviews of a stock bike with a factory bike. Even more so, comparing reviews...

I don't get that comment that everyone drops. You can't compare magazine reviews of a stock bike with a factory bike. Even more so, comparing reviews done riding MX, for a bike used in SX.

Anderson is still on 2018 top end on 2019.5 bike. Same with Cairoli. Herlings run different swing arm and frame. Troylee had issues dialing in 2019 sxf, same with bagget.

Put Tomac on his 2018 sx bike, and he would have been the sx champ 2019.

plowboy wrote:

I am a spode and can tell you for true...set-up is huge. I can only imagine how big a factor it is when tenths of a...

I am a spode and can tell you for true...set-up is huge. I can only imagine how big a factor it is when tenths of a second mean the difference between winning and losing.

plowboy wrote:

I am a spode and can tell you for true...set-up is huge. I can only imagine how big a factor it is when tenths of a...

I am a spode and can tell you for true...set-up is huge. I can only imagine how big a factor it is when tenths of a second mean the difference between winning and losing.

aeffertz wrote:

Set up is super important, I never said it wasn’t. Each rider sets up the bike for themselves, how can they not be the one to...

Set up is super important, I never said it wasn’t. Each rider sets up the bike for themselves, how can they not be the one to blame if they’re having set up issues?

If a rider is having a hard time setting up his bike, is that a bike issue or a rider issue? To me, a bike issue is a flat tire, weak or no brakes, lack of HP, burnt up clutch, etc. A bike that I set up incorrectly is not a “bike issue”, that’s a Me issue. That’s something I did and need to fix.