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Edited Date/Time 4/5/2016 6:08pm
We all know you guys have a soft spot for two strokes. This is evidenced by you being the only Factory Effort at the Glen Helen Two stroke championship.

I have a suggestion. Bring this effort to the rest of the AMA nationals. Yes i know its silly why bring out factory guys that arent going to win.

To accomplish this bring the AX team under the factory rig. Put Regal on a 250 and Steinke on a 125. Steinke already has notoriety for racing a 125 last year, bone stock in fact so he should be better on factory equipment

Racing is for showcasing your products and last i checked you guys are the only ones being active in the two stroke game(and ktm) secondly it would produce a huge instant fan base. just put them out there and tell them to just qualify and put the bikes on the line. Boom instant win and it puts more white bikes on the line.
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4/4/2016 3:39pm
Well said, I agree.BB
4/4/2016 3:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2016 3:43pm
I love two strokes and would love to see them racing but the truth is with the displacement rule no matter how fast you are it is extremely hard to compete on a two stroke and ultimately this is about money and racers are paid to win
4/4/2016 3:44pm
Itd be great to see a two stroke open class in supercross and outdoors though
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4/4/2016 3:50pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2016 3:52pm
Where did you get the idea that Steinke's bike was stock?
Actually bikes, since he rode both Yamahas and KTMs.

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What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front of the pack riding 4 strokes gap those guys on 2 strokes? Racing isn't about showcasing a factory team's product. Racing is about trying to beat the other guy hence the term "racing." Besides, the bike the factory guy is on isn't what's sitting on the showroom floor so they wouldn't really be showcasing anything other than a 2 stroke loosing to a bunch of 4 strokes.
4/4/2016 4:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2016 4:13pm
I agree and that displacement rule needs to be dropped , it excludes potential competitors and manufactures need to all make 2strokes again for a series like that or it would never happen but as far as bikes go - man , yamaha offers a pretty fast reliable bike and imo the yz is better in the end - better suspension and better wheels!

Added with yamaha cant make a better engine than the 2005/06 and with barely any change its the same engine in 2016
The 2005 had aoss suspension
The 2006 had the SSS almost exactly whats on the 2016

It won the MXA 2015 shootout
It cant win 2016 because off the showroom floor the ktm motor makes more hp & the chassis, clutch and looks are far far superior, anyone would agree - the yz comes stock off the showroom floor with killer SSS units and race ready wheels - the ktm/husky comes race ready with shitty suspension and horrible wheels !

Though the yz does not come race ready!
but a little love and the yz can be the cream of the crop - no suspension and wheels needed; they're included

AN... Off the showroom ktm on a real track is shitty , sure'll youll say "yeah but these guys are racing, they have race kits, not stock!"

To that i say;

that excludes potential competitors
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4/4/2016 4:12pm
Where did you get the idea that Steinke's bike was stock?
Actually bikes, since he rode both Yamahas and KTMs.
He did a q@a here, the KTM was stock. The Yamaha wasn't.
4/4/2016 4:17pm
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What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front...
What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front of the pack riding 4 strokes gap those guys on 2 strokes? Racing isn't about showcasing a factory team's product. Racing is about trying to beat the other guy hence the term "racing." Besides, the bike the factory guy is on isn't what's sitting on the showroom floor so they wouldn't really be showcasing anything other than a 2 stroke loosing to a bunch of 4 strokes.
So you're saying OEM's enter the sport strictly to piss money away chasing trophies? Negative. Every single brand you see in racing (from bike manufacturers to insurance companies to sub sandwich shops to dog food companies) are spending money to be there for one reason and one reason only: to increase product sales. Every, single, one.
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4/4/2016 4:17pm
ok. I didn't think either one was "bone stock." I guess the Bill's pipe doesn't count.
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4/4/2016 4:21pm
So the factory team lost to a privateer Suzuki...ouch
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4/4/2016 4:27pm
I love 2 strokes but ..... 2 strokes have their place and Pro MX is not it especially considering a top team would purposely be handicapping their own riders. Bad investment.
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4/4/2016 4:35pm
or.....Maybe the AMA creates another class, like EMX 300?
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Icespikes wrote:
I agree and that displacement rule needs to be dropped , it excludes potential competitors and manufactures need to all make 2strokes again for a series...
I agree and that displacement rule needs to be dropped , it excludes potential competitors and manufactures need to all make 2strokes again for a series like that or it would never happen but as far as bikes go - man , yamaha offers a pretty fast reliable bike and imo the yz is better in the end - better suspension and better wheels!

Added with yamaha cant make a better engine than the 2005/06 and with barely any change its the same engine in 2016
The 2005 had aoss suspension
The 2006 had the SSS almost exactly whats on the 2016

It won the MXA 2015 shootout
It cant win 2016 because off the showroom floor the ktm motor makes more hp & the chassis, clutch and looks are far far superior, anyone would agree - the yz comes stock off the showroom floor with killer SSS units and race ready wheels - the ktm/husky comes race ready with shitty suspension and horrible wheels !

Though the yz does not come race ready!
but a little love and the yz can be the cream of the crop - no suspension and wheels needed; they're included

AN... Off the showroom ktm on a real track is shitty , sure'll youll say "yeah but these guys are racing, they have race kits, not stock!"

To that i say;

that excludes potential competitors
KTM's need new wheels? Hadn't got that memo
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4/4/2016 5:15pm
this isnt a discussion about changing the rules. there are enough threads to beat that horse. This is just a wishful prayer to put two bikes on the track for fun.

Think similiar to when Volvo raced a wagon against BMW's http://jalopnik.com/volvos-850-wagon-racer-was-all-sorts-of-two-wheeling-aw-1567506405

it was pretty much a joke but it showed their car off and that it wasnt a grandma wagon.

Steinke went out last year on a KTM 125 for FUN. and he qualified multiple times. on a STOCK bike.

If they put him on the Factory 125 with a built motor and suspension and let him loose what'll happen? he'll probably get almost as much attention as the guys winning and everyone will know who it is going by.

ITS ABOUT ADVERTISING and a 125 and 250 sing a different tune so they stand out
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This was worth quoting
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this isnt a discussion about changing the rules. there are enough threads to beat that horse. This is just a wishful prayer to put two bikes...
this isnt a discussion about changing the rules. there are enough threads to beat that horse. This is just a wishful prayer to put two bikes on the track for fun.

Think similiar to when Volvo raced a wagon against BMW's http://jalopnik.com/volvos-850-wagon-racer-was-all-sorts-of-two-wheeling-aw-1567506405

it was pretty much a joke but it showed their car off and that it wasnt a grandma wagon.

Steinke went out last year on a KTM 125 for FUN. and he qualified multiple times. on a STOCK bike.

If they put him on the Factory 125 with a built motor and suspension and let him loose what'll happen? he'll probably get almost as much attention as the guys winning and everyone will know who it is going by.

ITS ABOUT ADVERTISING and a 125 and 250 sing a different tune so they stand out
Husky makes enough money in 30 minutes to field a two man team no problem. Maybe do 6 races that are close together and pull in some fans. Throw the awning up, shoot some Husky swag into the crowd,you wouldnt even have to get out the tools and shite.BOOM,then hit the Cracker Barrel.Over easy.
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4/4/2016 5:59pm
If there was separate two stroke national series I would attend that over going to sx or ama mx nationals regardless of who was riding. The sound and smell is on a whole different level of cool. I race and buy new KTM Factory Editions every year only because I am old and lazy. I also buy and restore several two strokes every year because they represent a fun, simple, exciting, cool and identifiable period of my life that spanned 25 years. Nobody is taking that away from me. Pro racing is not the sport. It is merely something to watch for 17 minutes on a Saturday night. The sport is was far more healthy before four strokes but many in the industry either were not there, never raced, don't race now, and don't give a shit about those keeping the sport alive. Nothing cracks me up more than a "pro" who says he can't ride because he does not have a free bike and free gear. Yeah that is going to keep everyone in business. I get that those in the industry hate two stroke fanatics. Most that do no longer ride and think pro racing is the sport. lol To those that share that belief here is a big fuck you to you. There is an equal place for both.
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bob567 wrote:
If there was separate two stroke national series I would attend that over going to sx or ama mx nationals regardless of who was riding. The...
If there was separate two stroke national series I would attend that over going to sx or ama mx nationals regardless of who was riding. The sound and smell is on a whole different level of cool. I race and buy new KTM Factory Editions every year only because I am old and lazy. I also buy and restore several two strokes every year because they represent a fun, simple, exciting, cool and identifiable period of my life that spanned 25 years. Nobody is taking that away from me. Pro racing is not the sport. It is merely something to watch for 17 minutes on a Saturday night. The sport is was far more healthy before four strokes but many in the industry either were not there, never raced, don't race now, and don't give a shit about those keeping the sport alive. Nothing cracks me up more than a "pro" who says he can't ride because he does not have a free bike and free gear. Yeah that is going to keep everyone in business. I get that those in the industry hate two stroke fanatics. Most that do no longer ride and think pro racing is the sport. lol To those that share that belief here is a big fuck you to you. There is an equal place for both.
Were you at Glen Helen for the recent two-stroke race? Just checking.
4/4/2016 6:30pm
If anything it shows commitment to the two stroke, something they currently sell. Throw two riders on some tricked out Huskys with killer graphics (think KTM FE style) and watch the media/internet go crazy. They need to beat Kawasaki(supposedly) to the game. Someones going to do it and they will create an instant fan out of me.
4/4/2016 7:31pm
DavidR wrote:
What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front...
What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front of the pack riding 4 strokes gap those guys on 2 strokes? Racing isn't about showcasing a factory team's product. Racing is about trying to beat the other guy hence the term "racing." Besides, the bike the factory guy is on isn't what's sitting on the showroom floor so they wouldn't really be showcasing anything other than a 2 stroke loosing to a bunch of 4 strokes.
So you're saying OEM's enter the sport strictly to piss money away chasing trophies? Negative. Every single brand you see in racing (from bike manufacturers to...
So you're saying OEM's enter the sport strictly to piss money away chasing trophies? Negative. Every single brand you see in racing (from bike manufacturers to insurance companies to sub sandwich shops to dog food companies) are spending money to be there for one reason and one reason only: to increase product sales. Every, single, one.
So your saying you hire Jake wiemer or Vince friese because your trying to win a championship then right? Or do you know your battling for 10th-20th place? Just curious.
4/4/2016 8:21pm
So your saying you hire Jake wiemer or Vince friese because your trying to win a championship then right? Or do you know your battling for...
So your saying you hire Jake wiemer or Vince friese because your trying to win a championship then right? Or do you know your battling for 10th-20th place? Just curious.
Most definitely the latter. The name of the game is strategic brand exposure, and winning isn't the only way to effectively accomplish the goal.
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So your saying you hire Jake wiemer or Vince friese because your trying to win a championship then right? Or do you know your battling for...
So your saying you hire Jake wiemer or Vince friese because your trying to win a championship then right? Or do you know your battling for 10th-20th place? Just curious.
Most definitely the latter. The name of the game is strategic brand exposure, and winning isn't the only way to effectively accomplish the goal.
exactly this is why i referneced when Volvo went racing with an 850 wagon. They had the car setup for a show, and it got so much interest they said what the heck. next thing you know its rubbing elbows with BMW's, a freaking MOM wagon racing. it was awesome, they never won, and they werent last either

but it generated so much interest in the car. People look at BMW's as a performace car because they take it racing. but now this wagon car wasnt so lame, it was a race car and any car thats used for racing is awesome.

This wouldnt be FTW. it would be for fun and generating interest in the Brand and getting people talking about Huskys.

They are pushing to get back into the US market, they have been on the fringes of mainstream bikes because our community is so stuck on Jap bikes. Look how long it took for KTM to make it. They started in by hitting where the Japs werent, the offroad market. Husky needs to hit the Japs where they arent, in the two stroke market.
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I guess the demand is simply not as big as this forum thinks. Otherwise i would have expected to see the enduro makes and TM jump in the spot the Japanes manufacturers left. But we don't see Beta, Gasgas or Sherco make a MX version of their 2-stroke enduro models and put some marketing effort in GP/AMA. Same for TM, their sales never seem to take off.
4/5/2016 2:29am
TM Have publicly stated that they don`t want to build higher quantity of bikes. But rather keep the quality up on the 2500 they make a year
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TM Have publicly stated that they don`t want to build higher quantity of bikes. But rather keep the quality up on the 2500 they make a...
TM Have publicly stated that they don`t want to build higher quantity of bikes. But rather keep the quality up on the 2500 they make a year
very hard to beat the quality of the TM bikes their 2 stroke engines are very very strong , herd a lot of comments about the TM , everyone on i let ride mine loves the handling and power
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DavidR wrote:
What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front...
What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front of the pack riding 4 strokes gap those guys on 2 strokes? Racing isn't about showcasing a factory team's product. Racing is about trying to beat the other guy hence the term "racing." Besides, the bike the factory guy is on isn't what's sitting on the showroom floor so they wouldn't really be showcasing anything other than a 2 stroke loosing to a bunch of 4 strokes.
Sorry bud, pro racing is about showcasing the teams product(s).

And why do you reckon these wonderful 4 strokes are more powerful than the 2 strokes that are allowed to race against them?

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DavidR wrote:
What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front...
What does doing this prove besides confirming that the 4 strokes they're racing against are more powerful and easier to go fast on as the front of the pack riding 4 strokes gap those guys on 2 strokes? Racing isn't about showcasing a factory team's product. Racing is about trying to beat the other guy hence the term "racing." Besides, the bike the factory guy is on isn't what's sitting on the showroom floor so they wouldn't really be showcasing anything other than a 2 stroke loosing to a bunch of 4 strokes.
Plugga wrote:
Sorry bud, pro racing [u]is[/u] about showcasing the teams product(s). And why do you reckon these wonderful 4 strokes are more powerful than the 2 strokes...
Sorry bud, pro racing is about showcasing the teams product(s).

And why do you reckon these wonderful 4 strokes are more powerful than the 2 strokes that are allowed to race against them?

If pro racing is all about showcasing product, why do teams allow riders to run stuff that's different than what you see on the showroom floor? Example, riders running a different brand of spring fork on bikes that come stock with a different brand of air fork?
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Damn it Guy, ya buzz kill.Tongue
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hvaughn88 wrote:
This was worth quoting
And, quoting again! Laughing

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