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3/24/2019 8:31 PM



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Cheers, Crush
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3/24/2019 8:41 PM

Is that the new SX video game?????

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3/24/2019 8:43 PM

Crush wrote:

Now that is friggen cool...great post.
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3/24/2019 9:00 PM

Can’t believe the shit these guys can do in that close proximity with that much speed.

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3/24/2019 9:05 PM

Looks to me like the red cross flag was pretty obvious

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3/24/2019 10:53 PM

Looks like Savatgy likely passed Deano under the flag too.

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Cheers, Crush
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3/25/2019 1:37 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/25/2019 1:38 AM

Roczen was hauling on that first lap.

If they wouldn't have built those last few whoops bigger than the rest, the skimmers wouldn't have slowed to a snail's pace at the end. I so wanted to see Roczen, Wilson, Tomac blow by the jumpers but they couldn't get through those last few with speed consistently. Man that was frustrating to watch.

Thanks for the post!

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3/25/2019 2:12 AM

Looks like Webb was basing and jumping through the Red Cross section.

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3/25/2019 2:25 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/25/2019 2:27 AM

Bnagazina wrote:

Looks like Webb was basing and jumping through the Red Cross section.

Yeah at about 1:38, Osborne rolls the whole thing while Savatgy doubles the last few and passes him. Webb only singled 3 jumps. Made a bunch of time and looks to pass Osborne in the next corner. Tough to know what to do as a rider or official.

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3/25/2019 2:32 AM

fullfloater wrote:

Roczen was hauling on that first lap.

If they wouldn't have built those last few whoops bigger than the rest, the skimmers wouldn't have slowed to a snail's pace at the end. I so wanted to see Roczen, Wilson, Tomac blow by the jumpers but they couldn't get through those last few with speed consistently. Man that was frustrating to watch.

Thanks for the post!

Was just thinking today watching it that if they made the last whoop like the first then we'd have seen a shit load of passes.

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Cheers, Crush
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3/25/2019 5:29 AM

Bnagazina wrote:

Looks like Webb was basing and jumping through the Red Cross section.

fullfloater wrote:

Yeah at about 1:38, Osborne rolls the whole thing while Savatgy doubles the last few and passes him. Webb only singled 3 jumps. Made a bunch of time and looks to pass Osborne in the next corner. Tough to know what to do as a rider or official.

I think you guys need to READ THE RULE and understand it before you make judgement.

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3/25/2019 6:13 AM

slumpstone wrote:

I think you guys need to READ THE RULE and understand it before you make judgement.

I meant that the riders themselves were doing different things.

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3/25/2019 6:36 AM

Wow these dudes are nothing short of amazing.

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3/25/2019 6:49 AM

They make it look so easy.

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3/25/2019 6:50 AM

@2:20 Fk'n Webb cross jumping in the whoops

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3/25/2019 6:51 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/25/2019 7:32 AM

Bnagazina wrote:

Looks like Webb was basing and jumping through the Red Cross section.

fullfloater wrote:

Yeah at about 1:38, Osborne rolls the whole thing while Savatgy doubles the last few and passes him. Webb only singled 3 jumps. Made a bunch of time and looks to pass Osborne in the next corner. Tough to know what to do as a rider or official.

slumpstone wrote:

I think you guys need to READ THE RULE and understand it before you make judgement.

Perhaps you should explain your viewpoint? I TYPED the rule in this thread:

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/There-was-a-Kawasaki-jumping-the-whoops-in-the-same-indident,1356749?page=2#post_4138762

Edit, The video CLEARLY shows Webb clearing a double at 1;42 with Brayton being attended to on the side of the track, and a tuff block still in the track for protection. He is NOT clear of the incident.

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3/25/2019 6:56 AM

Bnagazina wrote:

Looks like Webb was basing and jumping through the Red Cross section.

fullfloater wrote:

Yeah at about 1:38, Osborne rolls the whole thing while Savatgy doubles the last few and passes him. Webb only singled 3 jumps. Made a bunch of time and looks to pass Osborne in the next corner. Tough to know what to do as a rider or official.

slumpstone wrote:

I think you guys need to READ THE RULE and understand it before you make judgement.

Full disclosure I haven't read it but I believe it's you gotta clear the section right? Well Savatgy passes him before Deano is out of the section. Webb at least gives him the courtesy of being pretty cunty immediately after.

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Cheers, Crush
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3/25/2019 7:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/25/2019 7:20 AM

6. Riders must exercise extreme caution and not race or accelerate in an unsafe manner until they are clear of the incident.

This would mean anyone launching from the jump face where the accident is. It appears several did get away with it, and Marvin got singled out. Equal punishment under the rules is due here.

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3/25/2019 7:24 AM

AMA should be handing out some penalties based on this video alone. Can't play favourites with anyone. Savatgy for sure should be docked points. IMHO worse than the infraction in the 250 LCQ.

Hammer 663s

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3/25/2019 7:28 AM

Can clearly see Webb rolling the first couple then jumping the rest. But like Weege said, when it's your year... It's just your year

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I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure.

3/25/2019 7:33 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/25/2019 8:30 AM

The video CLEARLY shows Webb clearing a double with the Red Cross flag waving at 1:42 with Brayton being attended to on the side of the track, and a tuff block still in the track for protection. He is NOT clear of the incident. Savatgy and Anderson did the same. Lap 3.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

3/25/2019 7:58 AM

fullfloater wrote:

Roczen was hauling on that first lap.

If they wouldn't have built those last few whoops bigger than the rest, the skimmers wouldn't have slowed to a snail's pace at the end. I so wanted to see Roczen, Wilson, Tomac blow by the jumpers but they couldn't get through those last few with speed consistently. Man that was frustrating to watch.

Thanks for the post!

Crush wrote:

Was just thinking today watching it that if they made the last whoop like the first then we'd have seen a shit load of passes.

Why do you think that? If they had made the whoops easier then more people would skim them.

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3/25/2019 8:00 AM

fullfloater wrote:

Roczen was hauling on that first lap.

If they wouldn't have built those last few whoops bigger than the rest, the skimmers wouldn't have slowed to a snail's pace at the end. I so wanted to see Roczen, Wilson, Tomac blow by the jumpers but they couldn't get through those last few with speed consistently. Man that was frustrating to watch.

Thanks for the post!

Crush wrote:

Was just thinking today watching it that if they made the last whoop like the first then we'd have seen a shit load of passes.

team_player wrote:

Why do you think that? If they had made the whoops easier then more people would skim them.

That last whoop shot you up a bit. Quite a few times Deano would have had a pass just eeeked out if it didn’t pop you up.

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Cheers, Crush
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3/25/2019 8:08 AM

Crush wrote:

Was just thinking today watching it that if they made the last whoop like the first then we'd have seen a shit load of passes.

team_player wrote:

Why do you think that? If they had made the whoops easier then more people would skim them.

Crush wrote:

That last whoop shot you up a bit. Quite a few times Deano would have had a pass just eeeked out if it didn’t pop you up.

And if the last whoop didn't shoot you up then more riders would have skimmed them.

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3/25/2019 8:43 AM

devindavisphoto wrote:

Looks to me like the red cross flag was pretty obvious

You should know that red flags are mainly for when the medics can't work and evacuate the rider safely. In this case, if Brayton would have been on the other side of the track, then maybe a red flag would have probably been put. Here there was absolutely no reason to put one.

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3/25/2019 8:48 AM

devindavisphoto wrote:

Looks to me like the red cross flag was pretty obvious

Question wrote:

You should know that red flags are mainly for when the medics can't work and evacuate the rider safely. In this case, if Brayton would have been on the other side of the track, then maybe a red flag would have probably been put. Here there was absolutely no reason to put one.

That may be true on lap 3, not lap 2. That doesn't change the fact that they displayed the Red Cross on lap 3.

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3/25/2019 8:53 AM

After rewatching a few times the video, in my opinion it is "ok", it looks like at the limits of the rules, but still "ok". Savatgy clears a double after the incident, and Webb passes him inside in the corner. Not super clean from both, but still "ok".

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3/25/2019 9:42 AM

Question wrote:

After rewatching a few times the video, in my opinion it is "ok", it looks like at the limits of the rules, but still "ok". Savatgy clears a double after the incident, and Webb passes him inside in the corner. Not super clean from both, but still "ok".

Perhaps on lap 2, look at lap 3.

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3/25/2019 10:18 AM

This seems like too simple of a solution, so I'm probably missing something, but why isn't there a green flag or something like that to let the riders know when they are "clear of the incident"? In this case, Wilson paid the price for being overly cautious. If there had been a way for him to know without a doubt when he could double again, I don't believe he would have gotten passed.

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3/25/2019 10:58 AM

devindavisphoto wrote:

Looks to me like the red cross flag was pretty obvious

Question wrote:

You should know that red flags are mainly for when the medics can't work and evacuate the rider safely. In this case, if Brayton would have been on the other side of the track, then maybe a red flag would have probably been put. Here there was absolutely no reason to put one.

I just meant it was clearly visible for Marvin to see it and take the necessary precautions to avoid a penalty.

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