Could Savatgy go yellow?

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tek14 9/23/2019 8:48am
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For me it sounds Joey thinks he is worth of big money and wont settle anything less... Getting out of Just1 deal would give him less money even he would get best bike out there at RM. Why he isnt with JGR.. again asking more than offered. Without great next year his value will drop.. but taking RM deal he could ride him self to top and get what wants year after.. Imagine pushing everything out (money)from JGR and sitting out injured everyone here would call him Hill2.
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Suzuki has some of the worst Japanese management when it comes to this stuff.

...they didn't offer DeCoster a new contract, and after he left for KTM, THEN they try to throw big money at him to stay.

...they have to defer payment for Ryan Dungey's win bonuses.

...they try to throw big money at Dungey AFTER he leaves to join DeCoster over at KTM.

...even way back in 1975, they think that their in-house test rider Bob Hannah is a joke and won't offer him a factory ride when Bob comes to them with a Yamaha factory contract to see if they will match it.

There are more, but what's the point.

If I were JGR, I would try to start with another brand from the ground up, unless the appetite to go racing is gone for Coy Gibbs and he is over it, which has been the rumor around here for the past year or so...
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Hudd_421 9/23/2019 10:18am
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Joey has not signed because JGR has not offered...Sounds like between casino money and Suzuki money not being there yet, they're not offering anything to anyone yet. Sounds like the same situation with HEP
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Hudd_421 wrote:
Joey has not signed because JGR has not offered...Sounds like between casino money and Suzuki money not being there yet, they're not offering anything to anyone...
Joey has not signed because JGR has not offered...Sounds like between casino money and Suzuki money not being there yet, they're not offering anything to anyone yet. Sounds like the same situation with HEP
I have a feeling he was "expecting" JGR to make an offer and then they never did due to all there backend stuff going on right now.
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Boomslang 9/27/2019 12:08pm
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No news on Savatgy? If the JGR gig falls through then there aint much options left.

He may end up having to invest in himself.
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wicksy85 9/27/2019 12:23pm
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Joey would have some stupid minimum he would go there for. With JGR in limbo they probably just can't afford it. I guess when it comes to these off season races we may get a fair indication of where he may be with whatever bike he rides at them
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Boomslang 9/27/2019 12:33pm
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wicksy85 wrote:
Joey would have some stupid minimum he would go there for. With JGR in limbo they probably just can't afford it. I guess when it comes...
Joey would have some stupid minimum he would go there for. With JGR in limbo they probably just can't afford it. I guess when it comes to these off season races we may get a fair indication of where he may be with whatever bike he rides at them
I don't see JGR folding. The parent company has a net worth of well over 200million.

Im with you, Joey needs to except that he will need to take a substantial pay cut to get a ride. Its better than having to pay to go ride.
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wicksy85 9/27/2019 12:35pm
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Boomslang wrote:
I don't see JGR folding. The parent company has a net worth of well over 200million. Im with you, Joey needs to except that he will...
I don't see JGR folding. The parent company has a net worth of well over 200million.

Im with you, Joey needs to except that he will need to take a substantial pay cut to get a ride. Its better than having to pay to go ride.
Yeah bloody oath. Even if it's just a bonus program on placement instead of 6 figures to finish anywhere.
Free bikes and travel, plus gear money. Better than funding it all yourself
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Gear deal so no Sad
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I can’t imagine that would be that hard to get out of if the ride was offered. Contracts in our sport are always changing it seems.
Tell that to Damon Huffman. He was locked into his AXO contract and couldn’t accept the HRC contract he was offered. Damon was willing to return every penny they paid him, if Jim (Hale) would release him. Jim explained that he was in a contract and wasn’t getting out of it, for any reason.
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langhammx 9/27/2019 12:56pm
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wicksy85 wrote:
Joey would have some stupid minimum he would go there for. With JGR in limbo they probably just can't afford it. I guess when it comes...
Joey would have some stupid minimum he would go there for. With JGR in limbo they probably just can't afford it. I guess when it comes to these off season races we may get a fair indication of where he may be with whatever bike he rides at them
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I don't see JGR folding. The parent company has a net worth of well over 200million. Im with you, Joey needs to except that he will...
I don't see JGR folding. The parent company has a net worth of well over 200million.

Im with you, Joey needs to except that he will need to take a substantial pay cut to get a ride. Its better than having to pay to go ride.
Coach Gibbs has had to write a check to cover the expenses of running the team over the last couple of years. He isn’t willing to continue to do this and that’s where it’s currently at. The Cherokee deal would’ve put people to work and kept things going, but without a title sponsor, JGR is not going to be able to continue to run as it has !
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Falcon 9/27/2019 1:08pm
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Gear deal so no Sad
aeffertz wrote:
I can’t imagine that would be that hard to get out of if the ride was offered. Contracts in our sport are always changing it seems.
langhammx wrote:
Tell that to Damon Huffman. He was locked into his AXO contract and couldn’t accept the HRC contract he was offered. Damon was willing to return...
Tell that to Damon Huffman. He was locked into his AXO contract and couldn’t accept the HRC contract he was offered. Damon was willing to return every penny they paid him, if Jim (Hale) would release him. Jim explained that he was in a contract and wasn’t getting out of it, for any reason.
Totally within Hale's right, but a shitty thing to do to a rider.
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wicksy85 wrote:
Joey would have some stupid minimum he would go there for. With JGR in limbo they probably just can't afford it. I guess when it comes...
Joey would have some stupid minimum he would go there for. With JGR in limbo they probably just can't afford it. I guess when it comes to these off season races we may get a fair indication of where he may be with whatever bike he rides at them
Boomslang wrote:
I don't see JGR folding. The parent company has a net worth of well over 200million. Im with you, Joey needs to except that he will...
I don't see JGR folding. The parent company has a net worth of well over 200million.

Im with you, Joey needs to except that he will need to take a substantial pay cut to get a ride. Its better than having to pay to go ride.
The main reason for that net worth is turning a profit. Reaching in to your pocket to promote a racing team for a manufacturer is not turning a profit, let alone even breaking even. The sales of their motocross products evidently won't even support the actual cost of operating the team.
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aeffertz wrote:
I can’t imagine that would be that hard to get out of if the ride was offered. Contracts in our sport are always changing it seems.
langhammx wrote:
Tell that to Damon Huffman. He was locked into his AXO contract and couldn’t accept the HRC contract he was offered. Damon was willing to return...
Tell that to Damon Huffman. He was locked into his AXO contract and couldn’t accept the HRC contract he was offered. Damon was willing to return every penny they paid him, if Jim (Hale) would release him. Jim explained that he was in a contract and wasn’t getting out of it, for any reason.
Falcon wrote:
Totally within Hale's right, but a shitty thing to do to a rider.
Jim was a very successful business man, doesn’t mean he was always a nice guy. Jim was always very good to me and I have nothing bad to say about him. R.I.P. my friend !
But ..... he has pissed off plenty of people in his “business dealings” over the years. And I agree, he should’ve let Damon out of his contract to pursue his dream ride at HRC.
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Rotaholic 9/27/2019 2:45pm
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If JGR is doing a closing down sale put me down for some kit suspension and a stage 2 kit please.
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Rotaholic wrote:
If JGR is doing a closing down sale put me down for some kit suspension and a stage 2 kit please.
You can probably buy J.Hill's factory bike...
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langhammx wrote:
Coach Gibbs has had to write a check to cover the expenses of running the team over the last couple of years. He isn’t willing to...
Coach Gibbs has had to write a check to cover the expenses of running the team over the last couple of years. He isn’t willing to continue to do this and that’s where it’s currently at. The Cherokee deal would’ve put people to work and kept things going, but without a title sponsor, JGR is not going to be able to continue to run as it has !
If that's the case, what happens to AMart? Do they run a one-man team through next year to ride out his contract?
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Racerman967 9/27/2019 7:18pm
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There are some rumors that that is what will happen. AMart on a 250 as the only factory Suzuki rider
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Latest rumor is Reed on a WE Honda for A1
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Does that mean he’s retiring? If so that sucks.
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Racerman967 wrote:
There are some rumors that that is what will happen. AMart on a 250 as the only factory Suzuki rider
Wouldn’t they just buy out his contract? Essentially making him a free agent...would probably save money.
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Spat24 9/28/2019 8:29am
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I thought Suzuki and JGR had a contract through the 2020 season. If Suzuki does step away - wouldn't that open up some legal issues. That could be more costly than just paying for the season.
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dadofagun 9/28/2019 8:32am
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Spat24 wrote:
I thought Suzuki and JGR had a contract through the 2020 season. If Suzuki does step away - wouldn't that open up some legal issues. That...
I thought Suzuki and JGR had a contract through the 2020 season. If Suzuki does step away - wouldn't that open up some legal issues. That could be more costly than just paying for the season.
That was my thought as well.....an OEM stepping out of a contract could get very messy.
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omalley 9/28/2019 9:56am
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langhammx wrote:
Tell that to Damon Huffman. He was locked into his AXO contract and couldn’t accept the HRC contract he was offered. Damon was willing to return...
Tell that to Damon Huffman. He was locked into his AXO contract and couldn’t accept the HRC contract he was offered. Damon was willing to return every penny they paid him, if Jim (Hale) would release him. Jim explained that he was in a contract and wasn’t getting out of it, for any reason.
Falcon wrote:
Totally within Hale's right, but a shitty thing to do to a rider.
langhammx wrote:
Jim was a very successful business man, doesn’t mean he was always a nice guy. Jim was always very good to me and I have nothing...
Jim was a very successful business man, doesn’t mean he was always a nice guy. Jim was always very good to me and I have nothing bad to say about him. R.I.P. my friend !
But ..... he has pissed off plenty of people in his “business dealings” over the years. And I agree, he should’ve let Damon out of his contract to pursue his dream ride at HRC.
Why? If you sign a contract, it means that you are making a commitment that may benefit you now and may not later...otherwise contracts are meaningless. Damon should’ve thought of that when he signed.
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OLDMOTO 9/28/2019 11:36am
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Spat24 wrote:
I thought Suzuki and JGR had a contract through the 2020 season. If Suzuki does step away - wouldn't that open up some legal issues. That...
I thought Suzuki and JGR had a contract through the 2020 season. If Suzuki does step away - wouldn't that open up some legal issues. That could be more costly than just paying for the season.
dadofagun wrote:
That was my thought as well.....an OEM stepping out of a contract could get very messy.
You don't know the language of the contract or terms. I would imagine they would favor Suzuki as they were the source of the money. Lots of contracts are broken or just not honored in business. If Suzuki did not hounor the contract JGR would have to fund a lawsuit. That can take years with an unknown outcome.
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Conkey 9/28/2019 11:56am
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Coy owns JGRMX. He has a contract with Suzuki, just hasn’t been finalized yet. Believe Suzuki has a new boss and I’m sure that’s part of it.
blockhead17 9/28/2019 6:03pm
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What suprises me about joeys situation is he signed a multi year gear deal without a ride lined up for the following season
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Racerman967 9/28/2019 6:37pm
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Probably didn’t think that would be an issue. And if the JGRMX contract doesn’t specify a number of riders you run AMart in the 250 east SX and then cut him a check to run the nationals
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soggy 9/28/2019 7:01pm
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blockhead17 wrote:
What suprises me about joeys situation is he signed a multi year gear deal without a ride lined up for the following season
gotta make hay while the sunshines..
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Falcon wrote:
Totally within Hale's right, but a shitty thing to do to a rider.
langhammx wrote:
Jim was a very successful business man, doesn’t mean he was always a nice guy. Jim was always very good to me and I have nothing...
Jim was a very successful business man, doesn’t mean he was always a nice guy. Jim was always very good to me and I have nothing bad to say about him. R.I.P. my friend !
But ..... he has pissed off plenty of people in his “business dealings” over the years. And I agree, he should’ve let Damon out of his contract to pursue his dream ride at HRC.
omalley wrote:
Why? If you sign a contract, it means that you are making a commitment that may benefit you now and may not later...otherwise contracts are meaningless...
Why? If you sign a contract, it means that you are making a commitment that may benefit you now and may not later...otherwise contracts are meaningless. Damon should’ve thought of that when he signed.
You're kidding me right?

You might be able to do it but I can't even fathom being that big of an ass to someone and screwing them like that. There's a certain human ethics line you need to respect. . .
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You're kidding me right? You might be able to do it but I can't even fathom being that big of an ass to someone and screwing...
You're kidding me right?

You might be able to do it but I can't even fathom being that big of an ass to someone and screwing them like that. There's a certain human ethics line you need to respect. . .
It’s a business contract. Damon signed on the line. Would have been kind on Jim to let him out of the deal, but he had absolutely no obligation to do so and that does not make him an ass.
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