Could Savatgy go yellow?

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slowgti 9/22/2019 3:38pm
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TymeMoto wrote:
No, what’s up
Not looking good for yellow right now. It's not something we want to hear.
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hamncheeze 9/22/2019 3:57pm
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slowgti wrote:
Anyone hear the Reed podcast?
Just listened to it and was coming back to add to this thread.

Of course with Chad there's never a lot of info given out, and he can always be out to spin things a certain way, but....it sounds like neither JGR or HEP have a full commitment from Suzuki at this point. So there's that. The overall context of the interview certainly leads me to think JGR is likely closer to going away than announcing a new sponsor and a 6-rider team for 2020. Again, I hope it all works out.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/guest-chad-reed/id349470184?i=100…
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Racer111 9/22/2019 4:25pm
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I understand that finding sponsors in our sport is difficult, but JGR doesn’t seem to be as good at finding sponsors as the other teams in...
I understand that finding sponsors in our sport is difficult, but JGR doesn’t seem to be as good at finding sponsors as the other teams in the paddock, which is puzzling given their nascar connections.

They’ve been looking for a sponsor for over a year now. I’m starting to get the feeling that they got a lead, put all their eggs in one basket and now if it doesn’t materialize they’re screwed.

I might get flamed for this, but a factory-level team shouldn’t be having this many issues finding a sponsor.

Yeah, it’s hard to find support, but at what point does the team take a step back and examine whoever is in charge of finding a pitching potential sponsors? Could be something as little as the wrong person being in charge... Are they not getting meetings? Are they getting meetings but not connecting with potential suitors? Somewhere down the line lies a serious inefficiency.

Hell, I’ve never been the biggest Kenny Watson fan but the guy secured enough sponsor-backing for Josh Hansen of all people to have his own Supercross team. Yet JGR can’t find anyone who wants anything to do with them... There’s gotta be a reason behind this.
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Yet Honda doesn't have a title sponsor either. There's just not enough energy drinks for everyone.

It's not the team.
I’m pretty sure Fox forks out a good chunk to Honda or their logo wouldn’t be on their bikes.
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Racerman967 9/22/2019 4:48pm
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Honda has more money than the other 5 companies combined. They don’t have a title sponsor because they don’t need a title sponsor.
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TymeMoto 9/22/2019 4:56pm
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Just listened to it. Kind of convinced that we’ve seen the last of JGRMX. Sounds like factory Suzuki might be a scaled-down effort with just AMart riding a 250 next year.

Not only was Chad very doubtful about JGR going racing next year, but Matthes saying that American Suzuki being unable to commit to JGR or HEP... in late September... makes me think this might be it for them. Sad.
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aeffertz 9/22/2019 5:08pm
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TymeMoto wrote:
Just listened to it. Kind of convinced that we’ve seen the last of JGRMX. Sounds like factory Suzuki might be a scaled-down effort with just AMart...
Just listened to it. Kind of convinced that we’ve seen the last of JGRMX. Sounds like factory Suzuki might be a scaled-down effort with just AMart riding a 250 next year.

Not only was Chad very doubtful about JGR going racing next year, but Matthes saying that American Suzuki being unable to commit to JGR or HEP... in late September... makes me think this might be it for them. Sad.
Blair mentioned Suzuki pulling the plug a few weeks ago as well on his podcast. JGR has switched brands in the past, maybe they could do it again? Be a Kawasaki satellite team or something? Would hate to see them go.
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Racer111 9/22/2019 5:13pm
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TymeMoto wrote:
Just listened to it. Kind of convinced that we’ve seen the last of JGRMX. Sounds like factory Suzuki might be a scaled-down effort with just AMart...
Just listened to it. Kind of convinced that we’ve seen the last of JGRMX. Sounds like factory Suzuki might be a scaled-down effort with just AMart riding a 250 next year.

Not only was Chad very doubtful about JGR going racing next year, but Matthes saying that American Suzuki being unable to commit to JGR or HEP... in late September... makes me think this might be it for them. Sad.
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Blair mentioned Suzuki pulling the plug a few weeks ago as well on his podcast. JGR has switched brands in the past, maybe they could do...
Blair mentioned Suzuki pulling the plug a few weeks ago as well on his podcast. JGR has switched brands in the past, maybe they could do it again? Be a Kawasaki satellite team or something? Would hate to see them go.
Yamaha doesn’t have a secondary team like Rocky Mountain for KTM. Maybe they go back to Yamaha. That would probably be the easiest brand.
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slowgti 9/22/2019 5:19pm
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It's really late in the off season to switch brands. It must take several months to develop a new bike.

If JGR is our next year, that doesn't sound good for the future of Moto.
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OLDMOTO 9/22/2019 5:47pm
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I wouldnt be surprised if Suzuki pulled out of SX and MX in the USA. They did it in Europe and evidently they're doing it in Austrailia as well. They pulled out of WSBK already and that sells street bikes. MotoGP projects their brand much more widely to more people who will actually buy their products and even that is a very small effort in comparison to the Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Aprilla and KTM teams.

Suzuki could easily stop making RMZs in 2021. I would guess that they don't net any profit on motocross sales. I could see the putting that money and emphasis on small street bikes, scooters, ATVs and boat motors.

Joey most likely will need to but together a privateer effort and then hope for a fill in ride.
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hamncheeze 9/22/2019 7:22pm
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If Suzuki is done and JGR is out of a mfr they should try to strike up a deal with KTM or Husky. I realize KTM already has RMATV-MC but if we look at MXGP they have no problem supporting many, many teams. The Austrians are much more into going racing at this point....

But honestly it is REALLY late. However JGR did switch REALLY late in 2016 when they dumped Yamaha and went to Suzuki. If any team could potentially pull a bike switch off in a short period of time it's JGR but man it's really not looking good.
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MX76er 9/22/2019 7:38pm
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Would JGR ever run with Yamaha support again?
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OLDMOTO 9/22/2019 7:40pm
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I wonder if the Indians are waiting for a commitment from Suzuki to JGR before they will do a deal with JGR. I bet it affects all the small sponsors like oil, tires, etc as well.
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OLDMOTO 9/22/2019 7:48pm
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Would JGR ever run with Yamaha support again?
I think the question is would Yamaha run with JGR? Yamaha has Star and the other one, I forgot the name, Trader? They don't need JGR, especially if they don't have a serious title sponsor. They Indian casinos do not have a great reputation in the business community. They have a tendency to back out of deals and not honour contracts. Yamaha might not want to hitch their wagon to a deal that could fold up and go away quickly.
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dadofagun 9/22/2019 7:51pm
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If Suzuki does, and I hope to God they don't, come to the end of the line with MX support......this is bad. Really fucking bad..... Proudly, I can say I am a Suzuki lifer. My first bike way back in 77 was a JR50, I learned to use a clutch on a 79 RM60 (yes, they made an RM50 and RM60 the same year with a clutch.....had some strange looking fenders for the time...), and can honestly say my R&D RM 80's were my favorite rocketship mini's I ever raced. I was lucky to have some great KX's back in the day with Team Green help, but Suzuki had my heart. I gave my son his first bike on his 3rd birthday, a JR50. He is now an adult, and we are looking at a pair of DR dualsports to enjoy together now that he has become a man, and we can venture around on his weekends home from school. They have been a major part of our 2 wheeled lives going back almost 50 years, and to hear they are possibly out of the MX game, is almost unreal to me. I sure hope they can find a way, but to a corp that big, the bottom line is everything. History is nothing more to them but a financial decision.......
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dadofagun 9/22/2019 7:57pm
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MX76er wrote:
Would JGR ever run with Yamaha support again?
Would YAMAHA ever support JGR again??? May have been one hell of a bridge burned there....Keith has been around a long time, and isn't the type to stick his hands near fire a second time.
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hamncheeze 9/22/2019 10:32pm
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dadofagun wrote:
Would YAMAHA ever support JGR again??? May have been one hell of a bridge burned there....Keith has been around a long time, and isn't the type...
Would YAMAHA ever support JGR again??? May have been one hell of a bridge burned there....Keith has been around a long time, and isn't the type to stick his hands near fire a second time.
Well I think the bridge was burned but Yamaha was not an innocent victim here. After JGR kept Yamaha relevant from 2010-2016 they jumped back in with a factory team mostly to make sure they could snatch up Cooper Webb. JGR probably felt a bit like the jilted lover. NC team with a NC boy on a blue bike, it could have worked out perfectly for them. In the end, it really worked out for no one! Even Reed, did 2 seasons back in blue then torched the bridge as only he can on the way out in 2017.
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Motofinne 9/22/2019 11:10pm
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JGR took a risk when they got in bed with Suzuki, they were and are the most unstable OEM to work with. I hope they both stick around but it isn't looking good.
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Motofinne 9/22/2019 11:12pm
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If I were Joey I wouldn’t take less than what Jbone paid Hill this year. That’s the bar.
Tell Joey to buy a bike and a van for A1 then because that will never, ever happen. It sucks but Joey is screwed, he has basically zero leverage over JGR or any other team out there.
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BS12 9/23/2019 12:21am
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Silly question but... Toyota money for JGR? Don't they have close links on the NASCAR side?

Wouldn't solve their bike choice issue though.
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Boomslang 9/23/2019 12:25am
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Wonder if Savatgy is looking at the Bogle / Bloss ride? Wiĺl they even consider it?
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Motofinne 9/23/2019 12:34am
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Wonder if Savatgy is looking at the Bogle / Bloss ride? Wiĺl they even consider it?
He has to get out of his gear deals if he wants a ride on that team.
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Ray_MXS 9/23/2019 12:35am
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Boomslang wrote:
Wonder if Savatgy is looking at the Bogle / Bloss ride? Wiĺl they even consider it?
Gear deal so no Sad
Dirtdemon 9/23/2019 3:31am
9/23/2019 3:31am
heard on the Streets..
Everts have a contract for running Suzuki GP team including 2020 season.
He spended all the money to fast and asked Suzuki for more.. NO
Everts folded the team and Suzuki wont buying him out of this GP contract.

Maybee 2021
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soggy 9/23/2019 7:17am
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to say he is an idiot for not taking a deal we know nothing about is a bit rich.. All it takes is one injury of...
to say he is an idiot for not taking a deal we know nothing about is a bit rich..

All it takes is one injury of another rider to open up a spot on a team. While you can't bank on that he doesn't have to rush into a deal with JGR.

and LOL at the guy that said 'all he has going for him is he is a top 10 rider'. That's a pretty good thing to have going for you
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That would be me that said the only thing he’s got going for him is possibly be a top 10 rider... I never said that was...
That would be me that said the only thing he’s got going for him is possibly be a top 10 rider... I never said that was a bad thing...I am totally aware that running top 10 in professional sx/mx is great but the whole top 20 could put it in the top 10 any given night. At his rate I’d say it’s 50/50 he puts it in the top 10 through all the rounds. I don’t dislike the guy... just stating the obvious. Seems he has some personal issues with himself and a bit negative. My opinion but I don’t think that would be good for any team, considering Bogle or Bloss could be available. LOL all you want guy, just speaking reasonable.
he consistently finished in the top 10 in SX last year and that means he could put it on the box on any given night. I'd take Savatgy over Bogle, Bloss and Tickle (who will be 30 i think when his suspension is over)
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aeffertz 9/23/2019 7:23am
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Gear deal so no Sad
I can’t imagine that would be that hard to get out of if the ride was offered. Contracts in our sport are always changing it seems.
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Ray_MXS 9/23/2019 7:30am
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aeffertz wrote:
I can’t imagine that would be that hard to get out of if the ride was offered. Contracts in our sport are always changing it seems.
Yeah I was thinking that too but they sounded very confident at the Pulpmx show that a RMATV ride for Joey was very impossible for that particular reason.
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Boomslang wrote:
Wonder if Savatgy is looking at the Bogle / Bloss ride? Wiĺl they even consider it?
Ray_MXS wrote:
Gear deal so no Sad
Aren't a lot of those gear deals contingent on having a factory ride?
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Falcon 9/23/2019 8:18am
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Lots of times gear deals have stipulations about minimum requirements, but more often the gear companies will adjust according to the rider's main sponsor. In this case, if the RM team wanted Joey, he could ask to be released from his Just1 contract and we'd see him in Fly. (That's assuming that Just1 was cool with it. Not ALWAYS the case.)
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Falcon wrote:
Lots of times gear deals have stipulations about minimum requirements, but more often the gear companies will adjust according to the rider's main sponsor. In this...
Lots of times gear deals have stipulations about minimum requirements, but more often the gear companies will adjust according to the rider's main sponsor. In this case, if the RM team wanted Joey, he could ask to be released from his Just1 contract and we'd see him in Fly. (That's assuming that Just1 was cool with it. Not ALWAYS the case.)
Just1 probably would as long as they are paid the contract $

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