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We’ve all seen Webb’s insane ability to stay low in the corners, but what does he do to noticeably stay lower than everyone else on the jumps. He doesn’t scrub necessarily harder than anyone else, but he looks like he flies so low. Just more intensity?
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It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight is so key especially on the start. Imagine if he had a 20lb weight attached to his back like Tomac does (because of his height and body weight). Extremely huge in starts, training, diet, everything. Small dudes have a huge advantage, especially when they cut down the whoops every week.
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Dutch348 wrote:
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight...
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight is so key especially on the start. Imagine if he had a 20lb weight attached to his back like Tomac does (because of his height and body weight). Extremely huge in starts, training, diet, everything. Small dudes have a huge advantage, especially when they cut down the whoops every week.
that last line...my sidesLaughing
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He really doesn’t though. There were many instances on Saturday where Mookie was staying noticeable lower than Webb
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cable 4/26/2021 7:31pm
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so interesting how nobody has taken js7 style to another level on the 4 strokes. tomac has 0 scrub on big jumps. it looks as if he doesnt care how high he gets. cooper seems like hes working hard everywhere.
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deanwhite51 4/26/2021 7:51pm
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suspension set up... corners and jumps.. its why he struggles in the whoops
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evansteinberg 4/26/2021 10:33pm
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I see him pushing through the lips with his upper body and rolling his wrists and elbows forward going off lips.
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TXDirt 4/26/2021 10:54pm
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He is usually a decent starter but like we saw last week he doesn’t always nail his starts.

As far as his jump style. He just flows well. Doesn’t really need to over exaggerate staying low. He just keeps his momentum going forward. This extreme scrub business is way overrated. Takes energy and has a bit of risk involved. You can make up more time learning to corner better.
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Thisusernameisavailable 4/26/2021 11:20pm
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Dutch348 wrote:
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight...
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight is so key especially on the start. Imagine if he had a 20lb weight attached to his back like Tomac does (because of his height and body weight). Extremely huge in starts, training, diet, everything. Small dudes have a huge advantage, especially when they cut down the whoops every week.
I’ve never read so much nonsense in all my life.
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TXDirt wrote:
He is usually a decent starter but like we saw last week he doesn’t always nail his starts. As far as his jump style. He just...
He is usually a decent starter but like we saw last week he doesn’t always nail his starts.

As far as his jump style. He just flows well. Doesn’t really need to over exaggerate staying low. He just keeps his momentum going forward. This extreme scrub business is way overrated. Takes energy and has a bit of risk involved. You can make up more time learning to corner better.
This. Plus there’s a lot more to speed jumping than just the scrub. Even James did not scrub every jump. The extreme gyro effect of the scrub only works in certain situations and isn’t sustainable on every jump for an entire race.

It’s possible to stay low and jump faster without scrubbing dramatically. MC and Reed were really good at this and so now is Cooper. They’ve learned to use their legs to soak up the suspension return on the jump faces better than some. This allows them to jump all jumps fast and then scrub when or if needed.
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Dutch348 4/27/2021 2:36am
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Dutch348 wrote:
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight...
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight is so key especially on the start. Imagine if he had a 20lb weight attached to his back like Tomac does (because of his height and body weight). Extremely huge in starts, training, diet, everything. Small dudes have a huge advantage, especially when they cut down the whoops every week.
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I’ve never read so much nonsense in all my life.
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy. We’ll see what happens outdoors when starts don’t matter as much.
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Dutch348 wrote:
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight...
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight is so key especially on the start. Imagine if he had a 20lb weight attached to his back like Tomac does (because of his height and body weight). Extremely huge in starts, training, diet, everything. Small dudes have a huge advantage, especially when they cut down the whoops every week.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
I’ve never read so much nonsense in all my life.
Dutch348 wrote:
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy...
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy. We’ll see what happens outdoors when starts don’t matter as much.
Marv is 4lbs lighter than Coop and just 1" taller- so if we use your theory that smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, why isn't Marv the champ?

If smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, how did Tomac win last year?? Or did he just put on 20-25lbs this past winter?
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deanwhite51 wrote:
suspension set up... corners and jumps.. its why he struggles in the whoops
Struggles in the whoops because he doesn't "have those long legs for leverage"... joking btw
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TXDirt wrote:
He is usually a decent starter but like we saw last week he doesn’t always nail his starts. As far as his jump style. He just...
He is usually a decent starter but like we saw last week he doesn’t always nail his starts.

As far as his jump style. He just flows well. Doesn’t really need to over exaggerate staying low. He just keeps his momentum going forward. This extreme scrub business is way overrated. Takes energy and has a bit of risk involved. You can make up more time learning to corner better.
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special

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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Marv is 4lbs lighter than Coop and just 1" taller- so if we use your theory that smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, why isn't Marv...
Marv is 4lbs lighter than Coop and just 1" taller- so if we use your theory that smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, why isn't Marv the champ?

If smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, how did Tomac win last year?? Or did he just put on 20-25lbs this past winter?
Marv is the best argument you have? He is obviously a tier 2 guy.
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#2stroke wrote:
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special

When was the last time we saw a battle like that for the lead?
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Marv is 4lbs lighter than Coop and just 1" taller- so if we use your theory that smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, why isn't Marv...
Marv is 4lbs lighter than Coop and just 1" taller- so if we use your theory that smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, why isn't Marv the champ?

If smaller/lighter riders have a massive advantage, how did Tomac win last year?? Or did he just put on 20-25lbs this past winter?
Dutch348 wrote:
Marv is the best argument you have? He is obviously a tier 2 guy.
You mean last week's winner is a tier 2 guy? Troll
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BobPA 4/27/2021 5:26am
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Dutch348 wrote:
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight...
It's just because he's short. Makes it look like he flies low. Also, much like RC, he's shorter and lighter than all the guys. Less weight is so key especially on the start. Imagine if he had a 20lb weight attached to his back like Tomac does (because of his height and body weight). Extremely huge in starts, training, diet, everything. Small dudes have a huge advantage, especially when they cut down the whoops every week.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
I’ve never read so much nonsense in all my life.
Dutch348 wrote:
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy...
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy. We’ll see what happens outdoors when starts don’t matter as much.
He passed him just about everytime they left the starting gate this year?

The Dunge was also really good at staying low whilst not looking overly flashy.
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He’s pushing through the jump face with his upper body and absorbing as much of the jump as he can with his lower body.
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peltier626 4/27/2021 6:25am
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#2stroke wrote:
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special

CPR wrote:
When was the last time we saw a battle like that for the lead?
Not since these PRIDEFUL men retired, these guys hung it out every time they rode. They wanted to win every race.
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Dutch348 wrote:
Marv is the best argument you have? He is obviously a tier 2 guy.
The fact that you said tomac can’t get a start because he’s not a midget is insane lol your whole argument shows everyone here that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You’re also saying that factory Red Bull ktm’s MM25 is a second tier rider. He just won? Lol. Kyle Lewis was a taller guy and he pulled holeshots like nobody else. Your “theory” is simply wrong and you are embarrassing yourself buddy.
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
I’ve never read so much nonsense in all my life.
Dutch348 wrote:
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy...
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy. We’ll see what happens outdoors when starts don’t matter as much.
BobPA wrote:
He passed him just about everytime they left the starting gate this year? The Dunge was also really good at staying low whilst not looking overly...
He passed him just about everytime they left the starting gate this year?

The Dunge was also really good at staying low whilst not looking overly flashy.
That's what Red bull KTM loves, consistent guys. Which is kind of lame I'm more of a fan of the Stewart/Barcia type riding style.
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
I’ve never read so much nonsense in all my life.
Dutch348 wrote:
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy...
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy. We’ll see what happens outdoors when starts don’t matter as much.
BobPA wrote:
He passed him just about everytime they left the starting gate this year? The Dunge was also really good at staying low whilst not looking overly...
He passed him just about everytime they left the starting gate this year?

The Dunge was also really good at staying low whilst not looking overly flashy.
I was just thinking about the Dungey and Webb comparison. Seems like the goal to jump low is to absorb a lot of the upward trajectory with your body. The scrub is more of a way to absorb that energy with the bike and body. Dungey used to mildly shift his weight to one side of the bike and absorb that energy with his legs and by shifting his weight down when he jumped.

Dutch guys' a tard.
DrinkMoreWater 4/28/2021 10:40am
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#2stroke wrote:
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special

CPR wrote:
When was the last time we saw a battle like that for the lead?
We haven't, maybe dungey and vilo was the last.
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BobPA 4/28/2021 10:47am
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#2stroke wrote:
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special
Unless you're going for the 2 for 1 special

CPR wrote:
When was the last time we saw a battle like that for the lead?
DrinkMoreWater wrote:
We haven't, maybe dungey and vilo was the last.
You guys must be joking? There have been incredible battles for the lead for a while now.
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CPR wrote:
When was the last time we saw a battle like that for the lead?
DrinkMoreWater wrote:
We haven't, maybe dungey and vilo was the last.
BobPA wrote:
You guys must be joking? There have been incredible battles for the lead for a while now.
Stewart also went on to win this HEAT race by 3.3 seconds, which is 11 times more than the gap from Marvin to Cooper last weekend. But sure, today's guys just don't try hard enough. The nostalgia goggles some people wear on here is ridiculous.
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Dutch348 wrote:
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy...
Hey remember that time Webb passed Tomac and pulled away? Oh wait, that’s never happened once. Tomac always gets bad starts because he’s a big guy. We’ll see what happens outdoors when starts don’t matter as much.
Tomac 5'9"
Dungey 5'10 great starter
Roczen 5'11" great starter.
Adam Ciancarulo 6'1" great starter on same bike.

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