Cooper fires back at Kenny

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...and just to follow up. I think Jason Thomas is channeling me.... lol. ***from Racer X***** [i] Under most circumstances, Roczen is expecting Webb to take...
...and just to follow up.

I think Jason Thomas is channeling me.... lol.

***from Racer X*****

Under most circumstances, Roczen is expecting Webb to take the obvious line which is to dive into the inside rut and come out with the lead. It was the easy, clear move for Webb to make. Instead, he chose to push wide and force Roczen to check up, allowing several riders past him in the process. It was a deliberate, calculated move to ruin Roczen’s start, which is what angered Roczen. Webb wasn’t racing forward; he was intentionally putting Roczen into difficulty. Dirty? No, not really. I would still be angry, though, and I can understand why Roczen was, too. Most riders would try to get out front and separate themselves from the pack on that first lap, but Webb decided to forego that plan in lieu of screwing with Kenny.

https://racerxonline.com/2021/03/08/breakdown-daytona
Finally some unbiased reason without all the fanboy extremism 👍
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davistld01 wrote:
For "Zen Kenny" to blow up at Webb like that clearly shows Cooper is in his head. I'm rooting for Roczen, but I sure can't do...
For "Zen Kenny" to blow up at Webb like that clearly shows Cooper is in his head. I'm rooting for Roczen, but I sure can't do anything but admire Cooper Webb's race craft and "gamesmanship". If Kenny thinks Cooper is going to back it down and race him like a nice guy...he's obviously got another thing coming. I hope Roczen rises to the challenge, and races Webb like he's racing him.
Exactly.

Anyone remember Webb punting Marv off the track in 2019? His own teammate.

https://youtu.be/cSVVwwS5S-A?t=58
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there are no "team mates" in motocross
Marv did the “Let Broc Bye” thing...as instructed...by his team mgr...and gave it to RD5
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I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going into the trenches, whats the history between these two and Kenny's ex?

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burnside wrote:
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going...
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going into the trenches, whats the history between these two and Kenny's ex?

It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there somewhere. At some point after Webb started dating her, Roczen went on social media and referred to her as a "hoe and a headache."

While probably not a huge deal, I imagine you're right that it adds to the tension on some level.

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By your last sentence logic....it's like Kenny has never raced before. He left the door wide open. Roles were reversed, he'd likely have done the same...
By your last sentence logic....it's like Kenny has never raced before. He left the door wide open. Roles were reversed, he'd likely have done the same thing.

I'm pulling for Ken to win title....but his interview last night was 'tard-city. Made him look small.

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Highly doubt he would have done the same thing. Maybe you need to watch it again. Cooper could have came out in the lead if he...
Highly doubt he would have done the same thing. Maybe you need to watch it again. Cooper could have came out in the lead if he just went up the inside of Kenny without taking him wide, but instead he pushed him right out and messed up his own race too by giving the lead to Tomac.
Tomac was going to win no matter what
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3/9/2021 6:53am Edited Date/Time 3/9/2021 6:55am
burnside wrote:
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going...
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going into the trenches, whats the history between these two and Kenny's ex?

tingo wrote:
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there...
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there somewhere. At some point after Webb started dating her, Roczen went on social media and referred to her as a "hoe and a headache."

While probably not a huge deal, I imagine you're right that it adds to the tension on some level.
Whether or not it actually occurred...you just KNOW Webb thought about slapping the taste out of Roczen's mouth for talking about his girlfriend like that. Any man would. There's pride involved. There is no way Webb is still not bitter about that...even if it's just a little bit.

Maybe enough to want to piss Roczen off a little...
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burnside wrote:
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going...
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going into the trenches, whats the history between these two and Kenny's ex?

tingo wrote:
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there...
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there somewhere. At some point after Webb started dating her, Roczen went on social media and referred to her as a "hoe and a headache."

While probably not a huge deal, I imagine you're right that it adds to the tension on some level.
davistld01 wrote:
Whether or not it actually occurred...you just KNOW Webb thought about slapping the taste out of Roczen's mouth for talking about his girlfriend like that. Any...
Whether or not it actually occurred...you just KNOW Webb thought about slapping the taste out of Roczen's mouth for talking about his girlfriend like that. Any man would. There's pride involved. There is no way Webb is still not bitter about that...even if it's just a little bit.

Maybe enough to want to piss Roczen off a little...
Depends on the girlfriend.
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When I was in the US Army (72 to 75) one learned that pay backs are forever.....
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burnside wrote:
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going...
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but feel like it could be relevant psychologically or at least play a factor. Without going into the trenches, whats the history between these two and Kenny's ex?

tingo wrote:
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there...
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there somewhere. At some point after Webb started dating her, Roczen went on social media and referred to her as a "hoe and a headache."

While probably not a huge deal, I imagine you're right that it adds to the tension on some level.
Thanks for clearing up.
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Promoters should pay cash for top riders to create drama.
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...and just to follow up. I think Jason Thomas is channeling me.... lol. ***from Racer X***** [i] Under most circumstances, Roczen is expecting Webb to take...
...and just to follow up.

I think Jason Thomas is channeling me.... lol.

***from Racer X*****

Under most circumstances, Roczen is expecting Webb to take the obvious line which is to dive into the inside rut and come out with the lead. It was the easy, clear move for Webb to make. Instead, he chose to push wide and force Roczen to check up, allowing several riders past him in the process. It was a deliberate, calculated move to ruin Roczen’s start, which is what angered Roczen. Webb wasn’t racing forward; he was intentionally putting Roczen into difficulty. Dirty? No, not really. I would still be angry, though, and I can understand why Roczen was, too. Most riders would try to get out front and separate themselves from the pack on that first lap, but Webb decided to forego that plan in lieu of screwing with Kenny.

https://racerxonline.com/2021/03/08/breakdown-daytona
CPR wrote:
Finally some unbiased reason without all the fanboy extremism 👍
Racer X comments are spot on, deliberate calculated move by CW he would not have put on another rider because as long KR behind him he is gaining in the points battle. If I was KR I'd be pissed too knowing the intent of move but it's racing and there is always shit going on between riders

As to CW being in KR's head I think the opposite is true also.... KR is definitely in CW's head to cause him to deliberately go of-line to block pass KR at start because he knows KR can gap him.

One thing for sure CW's move has lit the emotional fuse and something will go down between these 2 in upcoming races as they both are always up front, just hope no one get hurt.
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3/9/2021 8:30am
DJB wrote:
Promoters should pay cash for top riders to create drama.
i disagree, the sport doesn't need to turn into WWE, plus i like good old fashioned drama the championship and hunger creates not the manufactured kind
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DJB wrote:
Promoters should pay cash for top riders to create drama.
i disagree, the sport doesn't need to turn into WWE, plus i like good old fashioned drama the championship and hunger creates not the manufactured kind
Agreed, I like that most of the riders are friendly with each other and treat each other with respect. it's kind of like a "family".
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tingo wrote:
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there...
It's not really a can of worms. Webb is married to a chick Roczen used to date. Pretty sure there is a holeshot joke in there somewhere. At some point after Webb started dating her, Roczen went on social media and referred to her as a "hoe and a headache."

While probably not a huge deal, I imagine you're right that it adds to the tension on some level.
davistld01 wrote:
Whether or not it actually occurred...you just KNOW Webb thought about slapping the taste out of Roczen's mouth for talking about his girlfriend like that. Any...
Whether or not it actually occurred...you just KNOW Webb thought about slapping the taste out of Roczen's mouth for talking about his girlfriend like that. Any man would. There's pride involved. There is no way Webb is still not bitter about that...even if it's just a little bit.

Maybe enough to want to piss Roczen off a little...
Depends on the girlfriend.
Ok...point taken.
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DJB wrote:
Promoters should pay cash for top riders to create drama.
There's an old story from back in the day in Nascar where a couple of drivers got into some fisticuffs in the garage after the race. Bill France senior had them brought to the Nascar hauler for a talking too. He told them that Nascar does not condone fighting and if they ever do it again to do it in front of the fans Wink
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DJB wrote:
Promoters should pay cash for top riders to create drama.
Two left turns and Roczen lines up on the outside of Webb.
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DJB wrote:
Promoters should pay cash for top riders to create drama.
peltier626 wrote:
Two left turns and Roczen lines up on the outside of Webb.
Webb lined up on the inside of Roczen.
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...and just to follow up. I think Jason Thomas is channeling me.... lol. ***from Racer X***** [i] Under most circumstances, Roczen is expecting Webb to take...
...and just to follow up.

I think Jason Thomas is channeling me.... lol.

***from Racer X*****

Under most circumstances, Roczen is expecting Webb to take the obvious line which is to dive into the inside rut and come out with the lead. It was the easy, clear move for Webb to make. Instead, he chose to push wide and force Roczen to check up, allowing several riders past him in the process. It was a deliberate, calculated move to ruin Roczen’s start, which is what angered Roczen. Webb wasn’t racing forward; he was intentionally putting Roczen into difficulty. Dirty? No, not really. I would still be angry, though, and I can understand why Roczen was, too. Most riders would try to get out front and separate themselves from the pack on that first lap, but Webb decided to forego that plan in lieu of screwing with Kenny.

https://racerxonline.com/2021/03/08/breakdown-daytona
CPR wrote:
Finally some unbiased reason without all the fanboy extremism 👍
VetRider97 wrote:
Racer X comments are spot on, deliberate calculated move by CW he would not have put on another rider because as long KR behind him he...
Racer X comments are spot on, deliberate calculated move by CW he would not have put on another rider because as long KR behind him he is gaining in the points battle. If I was KR I'd be pissed too knowing the intent of move but it's racing and there is always shit going on between riders

As to CW being in KR's head I think the opposite is true also.... KR is definitely in CW's head to cause him to deliberately go of-line to block pass KR at start because he knows KR can gap him.

One thing for sure CW's move has lit the emotional fuse and something will go down between these 2 in upcoming races as they both are always up front, just hope no one get hurt.
If Kenny can automatically gap Webb, how is it that he's been passed in the last turn, at least three times, by the slower rider?
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CPR wrote:
Finally some unbiased reason without all the fanboy extremism 👍
VetRider97 wrote:
Racer X comments are spot on, deliberate calculated move by CW he would not have put on another rider because as long KR behind him he...
Racer X comments are spot on, deliberate calculated move by CW he would not have put on another rider because as long KR behind him he is gaining in the points battle. If I was KR I'd be pissed too knowing the intent of move but it's racing and there is always shit going on between riders

As to CW being in KR's head I think the opposite is true also.... KR is definitely in CW's head to cause him to deliberately go of-line to block pass KR at start because he knows KR can gap him.

One thing for sure CW's move has lit the emotional fuse and something will go down between these 2 in upcoming races as they both are always up front, just hope no one get hurt.
If Kenny can automatically gap Webb, how is it that he's been passed in the last turn, at least three times, by the slower rider?
Because Kenny is best at early race sprint speed. While Webb is best at late race charges and race craft.
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If Kenny can automatically gap Webb, how is it that he's been passed in the last turn, at least three times, by the slower rider?
3 times? Huh
Must have been missed some key passes this year. Blame it on the spotters
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If Kenny can automatically gap Webb, how is it that he's been passed in the last turn, at least three times, by the slower rider?
crusty_xx wrote:
3 times? Huh
Must have been missed some key passes this year. Blame it on the spotters
Been going on for more than this year...
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KR winning= all me
KR losing and/or underperforming= blame everything and everyone from the suspension guy to the gal at the rental car counter.
Almost every time Ken doesn’t win, theres a novel of excuses to be written on his Instagram posts. Webb’s social media consists of its all me all the time. That’s the mentality to have win or lose.
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