"Cooper Webb was told he could never ride a stock Yamaha" - Mike Sleeter

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11/19/2020 11:30am Edited Date/Time 11/25/2020 12:12pm


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11/19/2020 11:35am
I don't recall for sure, either an article or a podcast someone said Cooper Webb was 2-3 seconds faster on a stock 2018 YZ450F from his 2017 race bike. May have been Travis Preston on the Pulp show?
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11/19/2020 11:37am
Also backs up what Chad said about factory Yamaha. Barcia also improved his results when he went to a more stock motor too
11/19/2020 11:39am
I think it's just fair. I will never be allowed to ride a factory YZF so why should he be allowed to ride a stock YZF? Wink
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11/19/2020 12:19pm
same dude who said , MXGP riders race craft is garbage! "?? dude needs attention i quess
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11/19/2020 12:23pm
Mugeneco wrote:
same dude who said , MXGP riders race craft is garbage! "?? dude needs attention i quess
The inferiority complex is real
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11/19/2020 12:33pm
Travis Preston should have been in-charge of bike development for the Team. With tiny-little "incremental" adjustments he could make the bike "right" for the individual riders.

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“Keefer is the fake news of bike reviews”
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11/19/2020 1:17pm
boomer rage incoming Grinning
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11/19/2020 1:19pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2020 3:47pm
I find that hard to believe considering the Yamaha USA Racing department went through this same thing with Josh Hayes in 2009. Hayes got on the 'all new R1' and struggled for the first half of the year. It was also his first time on a full-time factory superbike.

So around mid-season he told the boys "Give me a superstock bike, take the factory triples off, all the crazy shit, and give me basically a stock race motorcycle". After that Josh went on a tear and closed the season off by winning 6 of the final 8 rounds, and 2nd in the championship. He then went on to win 4 Superbike Championships. You can find interviews with Josh as he talked about this, very candidly, about how all the infinitely adjustable factory superbike stuff was getting himself, and the team, running in too many directions. They simplified the bike (ie: superstock build) and then slowly added / tested parts and eventually got it dialed in to become the dominate package.

His crew, and the racing department heads (Keith, Mike, Roach, Halverson, etc), all sit in the same office in Cypress. I've been in that office. It's not particularly large.

To think those same guys wouldn't let Cooper try out stock parts, when they had PROVEN success with that same strategy, is laughable. In fact, Josh's old crew chief, Jimmy Roach, is now the head of the overall racing department, and Roach is a sharp fella.

Now I do know of plenty of other teams that refuse to change settings for riders, but in my experience, Yamaha USA wasn't one of them. YMMV.
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11/19/2020 1:33pm
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Never allowed to ride, or never allowed to race?



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Anyone who buys anything sweeter says probably own 4 ocean front properties in Arizona
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11/19/2020 3:57pm
Oh no not Gypsy Brooooo Tails again! Can not listen to that guy.
The ONLY podcast I cannot listen to.
Good thing you guys are here so I can read about the content.

We need Keefer and Matthes to test Cooper Webb's YZ450F to set this straight.
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11/19/2020 4:08pm
Crazy how they can have by far the best 250 and absolutely fuck up the 450. We'll see if Barcia kills it on the GasGas like coop did when he switched. Not sure how much more evidence we'll need.
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11/19/2020 5:25pm
Mugeneco wrote:
same dude who said , MXGP riders race craft is garbage! "?? dude needs attention i quess
i guess he hasnt been watching the mxdn the past few years
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11/19/2020 6:23pm
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Never allowed to [i]ride[/i], or never allowed to [i]race[/i]? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/19/460284/s1200_896A44B0_5DF0_481C_85A8_C04177B6F23F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/19/460283/s1200_F7B8852A_30C2_4F42_A556_AA34E1CCCA28.jpg[/img]
Never allowed to ride, or never allowed to race?



Kind of looks like you killed this urban legend.......
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11/19/2020 6:37pm
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IMO HRC was and still is the most sought after ride out there. No energy drink and a massive staff of every discipline possible at your disposal. It’s got to be pretty good to be Kenny.
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11/19/2020 6:42pm
I can't even click on the video because Sleeter has never said anything that warrants my attention.
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11/19/2020 6:49pm
Yamahas 450s handle weird. They do something different every lap over the same obstacles or bumps. Its hard to predict what a yamaha will do. Not fun
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11/19/2020 7:56pm
Yamahas 450s handle weird. They do something different every lap over the same obstacles or bumps. Its hard to predict what a yamaha will do. Not...
Yamahas 450s handle weird. They do something different every lap over the same obstacles or bumps. Its hard to predict what a yamaha will do. Not fun
And yet Chiz is out there qualifying for Supercross mains on a stock one?
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Yamahas 450s handle weird. They do something different every lap over the same obstacles or bumps. Its hard to predict what a yamaha will do. Not...
Yamahas 450s handle weird. They do something different every lap over the same obstacles or bumps. Its hard to predict what a yamaha will do. Not fun
Completely opposite of any experience I’ve had on any 14+ YZ450.

CRF450 on the other hand? Haven’t ridden one that I can trust hitting the same bump lap after lap.
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Yamahas 450s handle weird. They do something different every lap over the same obstacles or bumps. Its hard to predict what a yamaha will do. Not...
Yamahas 450s handle weird. They do something different every lap over the same obstacles or bumps. Its hard to predict what a yamaha will do. Not fun
And yet Chiz is out there qualifying for Supercross mains on a stock one?
A feat he also achieved time and time again on a Suzuki. Another bike that is un-raceable according to many here.
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11/20/2020 3:47am Edited Date/Time 11/20/2020 4:30am
IMO HRC was and still is the most sought after ride out there. No energy drink and a massive staff of every discipline possible at your...
IMO HRC was and still is the most sought after ride out there. No energy drink and a massive staff of every discipline possible at your disposal. It’s got to be pretty good to be Kenny.
Totally. HRC’s unprecedented string of Supercross and AMA national championships over the past decade is the envy of the industry...
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11/20/2020 4:31am
Anyone who buys anything sweeter says probably own 4 ocean front properties in Arizona
Funny how all the experts on here know more than a dude that worked and developed bikes for one of the winningest 450 program in the last 10 years. Give me a break.
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11/20/2020 5:05am
IMO HRC was and still is the most sought after ride out there. No energy drink and a massive staff of every discipline possible at your...
IMO HRC was and still is the most sought after ride out there. No energy drink and a massive staff of every discipline possible at your disposal. It’s got to be pretty good to be Kenny.
Totally. HRC’s unprecedented string of Supercross and AMA national championships over the past decade is the envy of the industry...
Ahh yes. Dungey was an idiot for signing with KTM because of their previous history.
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11/20/2020 5:10am
Dungey won right out of the gate in KTM’s program under DeCoster, and that momentum has carried on. Refresh my memory, how has the 2016 AMA National Champion’s career gone since jumping aboard “the most sought after ride out there”?
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Dungey won right out of the gate in KTM’s program under DeCoster, and that momentum has carried on. Refresh my memory, how has the 2016 AMA...
Dungey won right out of the gate in KTM’s program under DeCoster, and that momentum has carried on. Refresh my memory, how has the 2016 AMA National Champion’s career gone since jumping aboard “the most sought after ride out there”?
Not totally fair, Ken was on another level when he crashed at A2. Would he of won the title that year? Impossible to say, but he looked amazing
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Anyone who buys anything sweeter says probably own 4 ocean front properties in Arizona
RonJon wrote:
Funny how all the experts on here know more than a dude that worked and developed bikes for one of the winningest 450 program in the...
Funny how all the experts on here know more than a dude that worked and developed bikes for one of the winningest 450 program in the last 10 years. Give me a break.
I know plenty of dudes that have been in their positions at work for 10 years and are complete morons
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Anyone who buys anything sweeter says probably own 4 ocean front properties in Arizona
RonJon wrote:
Funny how all the experts on here know more than a dude that worked and developed bikes for one of the winningest 450 program in the...
Funny how all the experts on here know more than a dude that worked and developed bikes for one of the winningest 450 program in the last 10 years. Give me a break.
I know plenty of dudes that have been in their positions at work for 10 years and are complete morons
Fair point but I would take Mike's word over 99.9% of the people on vital.
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